Corporation vs Government: Who Do You Trust?

[Liberty]

I choose the individual who makes decisions for themselves under the basis of LIBERTY. I choose the individual who takes risks, reaps the rewards, and suffers the failures. I choose the individual that stands for personal responsibility and freedom.

So you took liberty to mean I THE INDIVIDUAL, and not WE THE PEOPLE. You think liberty is free, that WE THE PEOPLE didn't die for your freedoms, or that you lack responsibilitys to your country and humanity. You are selfish, and you are a taker, taking what you don't deserve and declaring liberty unto yourself. Pathetic.

Government that impedes the individual the means to pursue their own ends can go to hell.

Yes, ME ME ME and no one else. You make me sick.

Capitalism is the economic manifestation of freedom. Don't like it? Compete. Can't compete? Shit or get off the pot.

Capitalism is a yoke of slavery on the many for the benefit of the few. You should know, owing trillions of dollars your great grandchildren will be paying for when your sorry ass is dead and gone. Are you going to stiff your kids for your ME ME ME coffin as well?

You live in a fantasy world.

 

[uscitizen]

I have seen what corporations do to people, and what government does to people, and I would side with trusting government before I would ever trust a corporation.

Corporations don't care if people die. Whether it be a Katrina disaster or shutting off the electric power to families in the winter so they die of exposure. They want relaxed regulations so they can murder more people with their products cheaper. They have no use for repairing America, just raping it of its resources. The corporate way has made us a third world country.


Government on the other hand has regulated the corporate enemys, built and maintained America, taken care of its people to keep them safe from the harm of corporations & greed. They are the ones that made it possible for electricity, for sanitzed water sources, dams, freeways, space travel, internet, and support many of these corporations so you can buy almost anything your want from anywhere in the world.

So what is your take & reasoning?

The thing is NEVER fully trust either one.

 

[editec]

We saw how corporation take care of people in the last gilded age.

It took government (and unions) to get them under control.

But now, now that government is a handmaiden to these corporations?

You present us with a choice that is really no choice at all.

 

[The Rabbi]

We saw how corporation take care of people in the last gilded age.

It took government (and unions) to get them under control.

But now, now that government is a handmaiden to these corporations?

You present us with a choice that is really no choice at all.

You mean they took care of people by building schools, universities, libraries, and hospitals?
Yeah, gov't sure took care of those activities!

 

[Claudette]

Corporations do not hold a gun at me and take my $ and give it to other people.

Sure they do, corporations take your money ALL THE TIME and GIVE it to other people.

The government does not hold a gun to your head. You live in a democratic republic, and vote for those who make these decisions, without a gun held to your head.

You certainly have that backasswards.

Corporations do not take our money - we pay prices for goods and services on a voluntary basis.

Government takes money in the form of taxes, behind which lies the threat of force. Don't believe me, stop paying your taxes and see what happens (unless, of course, you work for the government and get the free pass.).

Ditto.

 

[Christopher]

I would not trust either. Although, in a free market where there is real competition, corporations better listen to customers or they go out of business; so I think in general we have greater control over what corporations do.

Here is the problem I see with government and in particular increasing government control because people “trust” government over corporations. Corporations are in business to protect their interests. This includes lobbying government that is working towards some sort of control over a corporation’s interest. Government has only increased over the years, which has increased corporations lobbying activities.

Too many politicians are also in “business” to protect their interests as well. I believe that government control will give us more control over corporations only to a certain point, which I think we have exceeded. Government has become the real monopolized force to reckon with and I think that with our current political environment, the more “government control” the more corporatist’s will just have government in their back pocket.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I trust government, provided it has not been unduly corrupted by corporations.

 

[DiamondDave]

I trust government, provided it has not been unduly corrupted by corporations.

Yeah.. because governmental persons cannot lust after power and become corrupt on their own

 

[Liberty]

I trust government, provided it has not been unduly corrupted by corporations.

 

[Christopher]

I trust government, provided it has not been unduly corrupted by corporations.

Does that mean you do not trust our government now?

 

[boedicca]

I challenge anyone to provide the corporate equivalent to this:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

Genocide: among other things, the killing of people by a government because of their indelible group membership (race, ethnicity, religion, language).

Politicide: the murder of any person or people by a government because of their politics or for political purposes.

Mass Murder: the indiscriminate killing of any person or people by a government.

Democide: The murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder.


DEATH BY GOVERNMENT

1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND

2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS

15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I have seen what corporations do to people, and what government does to people, and I would side with trusting government before I would ever trust a corporation.

What's worst-of-ALL is that aberration called corporate-Republicans!!!!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

I challenge anyone to provide the corporate equivalent to this:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

How many individual-corporate-killings are allowed to be stacked-up.....like you've just done???


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4QPPELiDjY]YouTube - Bhopal Gas Tragedy Documentry Part I[/ame]​

 

[boedicca]

Go ahead. Please see if you can find corporate killings which exceed 169B.

Extra points for photos of corporation gas chambers, gulags, and mass graves.

 

[Bern80]

Washington liberals just love people like Shintao. People who actually argue FOR being dependent on government to do everything for them. People who's reality is so warped there is no hope for them.

No on is going to convince Shintao how off base he is. No one is going to convince him to re-think the 'evil corporate america mantra'. The rest of us 'get' the relationship between individuals and corporations. They agree to sell us something and we agree to pay for it. We pay for it because it is far easier than having to do the work to create or do the same on one's own. If you don't like A you try B and if A has any brains at all they improve their product. Do you not fucking get it, how warped your notion that corporations are trying to screw people is? It isn't in their best interest to do that. That kind of reputation puts business out of business.

The goal of a business is to make money. People equate that with greed. Until you look at the best way to accomplish that. Good businesses know the best way to make money is to do what people want.

 

[Flopper]

There are some things that government does well and there are some things that private enterprise does well.

I certainly would not trust private enterprise to defend this country against foreign powers are terrorist. Nor would I trust private enterprise to fund and operate public institutions such as sanitariums and prisons.

I would not trust government to produce goods and service to determine the prices.

 

[DiamondDave]

There are some things that government does well and there are some things that private enterprise does well.

I certainly would not trust private enterprise to defend this country against foreign powers are terrorist. Nor would I trust private enterprise to fund and operate public institutions such as sanitariums and prisons.

I would not trust government to produce goods and service to determine the prices.

And just because a person or an entity CAN do something well, does not mean it is the job or responsibility of that person or entity to do it

 

[Liberty]

There are some things that government does well and there are some things that private enterprise does well.

I certainly would not trust private enterprise to defend this country against foreign powers are terrorist. Nor would I trust private enterprise to fund and operate public institutions such as sanitariums and prisons.

I would not trust government to produce goods and service to determine the prices.

what a useless comment. the government has enumerated powers. to exceed those powers is to thwart the purpose of government as stated in the constitution.

its a useless comment, because its so blatantly obvious. the sky is blue too.

 

[The Rabbi]

There are some things that government does well and there are some things that private enterprise does well.

I certainly would not trust private enterprise to defend this country against foreign powers are terrorist. Nor would I trust private enterprise to fund and operate public institutions such as sanitariums and prisons.

I would not trust government to produce goods and service to determine the prices.

Newsflash: Those things are already happening. Usually with decent results. Except in the case of gov't setting prices. In that case it's a disaster.

 

[johnrocks]

I challenge anyone to provide the corporate equivalent to this:

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

Genocide: among other things, the killing of people by a government because of their indelible group membership (race, ethnicity, religion, language).

Politicide: the murder of any person or people by a government because of their politics or for political purposes.

Mass Murder: the indiscriminate killing of any person or people by a government.

Democide: The murder of any person or people by a government, including genocide, politicide, and mass murder.


DEATH BY GOVERNMENT

1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND

2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS

8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS

15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to boedicca again.

I don't don't why people embrace what has killed more than plaques. Having government and understanding that it's a necessary "evil" is one thing, embracing it with the love of a newlywed like I see from so many here is downright