Another Debate Audience Recites Pledge when Moderator says "no!"

[teapartysamurai]

If that is the case, it should have been decided beforehand that the pledge of alegience would be recited. I have never been at a public event where this was done. National Anthem ...yes

For Murphy to stand up and request it was blatant grandstanding and wrapping himself in the flag to make points. The audience is not supposed to be part of the debate. Murphy made them so

What time and place might be more appropriate to pledge allegiance to the "republic for which it stands" than at an event in which citizens of the republic are debating to win the right to represent other citizens in the republic's legislature?

What aspects of this event and the apparently near unanimous particiapation make you think that this was not appropriate?

Might this not be covered under the First Amendment?

Ohh like standing up in the middle of a theatre and starting singing?

Saying the pledge at the beginning of a debate, (a debate which is part of the voting process at the heart of our republic) is the same as just standing up in the middle of a theater and singing????????????

This is your modern liberal! This is what they think and they are running the country right now!

Remember this when you vote on Tuesday and vote their butts OUT!

 

[teapartysamurai]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God,
indivisible,​

with liberty and justice for all.

So....when is the "...liberty and justice for all." supposed to kick-in????



What's the point o' (constantly) repeating such bullshit, when it hasn't happened, yet??
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And when does "liberty and justice for all" happen? When only liberals are in power and all conservatives are in jail or something? When does that happen?

And get this, the pledge is "bullshit" to him!

THIS is your modern liberal. THIS is who is in power right now!

Remember this when you vote Tuesday and put them in their place. OUT OF POWER!

Vote, like your life and your children's lives depended on it, BECAUSE IT DOES!

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[JBeukema]

...And, there's little-chance the person who initiated The Pledge was a Teabagger, right??



....And, ANOTHER herd o' 'Baggers have fulfilled their patriotic-duties for another YEAR....no (actual) thinking OR work REQUIRED!!

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didn't you know its patriotic to recite the pledge written for the purpose of uniting the people in order to bring about a military run socialist nation?

From what I've seen.....'Baggers efforts are limited to symbolism.

When you challenge them to fire-up the gray-matter, they end-up stumbling around, in the dark.

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1st vid, 55 seconds in

I think that's PC...

 

[JBeukema]

1st vid, 1:14

the idea of that lardass fighting any revolution is laughable

 

[teapartysamurai]

You dont know what nationalism is do you?

I sure as hell do. And saying the pledge isn't it.

What you're talking about is unbridled, out of control nationalism when it is used as an excuse to commit attrocities. Like what was done in Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Italy, Japan, North Korea, Iran... just to name a few.

Try gettin' a little-farther North o' Venezuela, while you're at it.​

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This is your America hating liberal. This is who is in power right now! They voted for Obama!

They are seething with RAGE that people like you (despite all their efforts) would stand up spontaneously and say the pledge.

Do you see the frothing vitriol it has brought out in this forum just posting this little nugget of patriotism? IT HAS THEM APOPLECTIC!

They can't believe despite all their efforts that people still love their country and are going to vote that way come Tuesday.

Remember this! These are the people who are in power right now and this is why we need to put them OUT OF POWER.

GET OUT AND VOTE!

Say that pledge! Think about what it means AND THEN VOTE!

 

[teapartysamurai]

You dont know what nationalism is do you?

I sure as hell do. And saying the pledge isn't it.

What you're talking about is unbridled, out of control nationalism when it is used as an excuse to commit attrocities. Like what was done in Germany, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Italy, Japan, North Korea, Iran... just to name a few.

The love of country for it's merits and values as long as it's tempered by good reason in it's passion is always a credit to it's people. Pride in your nation is not a sin unless you let that pride blind you to it's wrongs as well as virtues.

But the left has turned hatred of America into a perverse 'virtue'. Hatred of the nation that has succored their lives and given them much of what they value and have been allowed to make for themselves. This is beyond biting the hand that feeds you. This is killing, gutting, cleaning, cooking and eating the golden goose.

What Im talking about is the nationalism you are hawking right now, otherwise you wouldnt want to force people that wouldnt normally use the pledge.

To keep claiming the left is un-American or hates our country is plain stupid. We are no less American than you are.

Yeah, you just don't like it when people say the pledge and equate it with nationalism.

Nooooooooooooooooo hating of America there!

Nooooooooooooooooo, of course not!

 

[JBeukema]

Nationalists swear loyalty to a nation and a State.

I wear loyalty to my principles.

I support this or any other State only insomuch as it upholds those principles and I will oppose it whenever it violates them.

That's what it means to have principles.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Patriotism is a quiet characteristic which can be demonstrated but not credibly professed because even the most craven traitor can swear his allegiance.

The Pledge of Allegiance need only be recited by every loyal American once in his lifetime. The demand for repetitive recitation is nothing but jingoistic, hyperbolic bullshit that proves absolutely nothing except how strong the tribal impulse affects some people, such as the fanatical Hitler gang for one example.

"If fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and carrying a cross." [Sinclair Lewis - 1935]

Do you love this!

The snobs are out in force!

Why you knuckle dragging rednecks and your "jingoistic" pledge!

WHY! Saying that pledge at a debate! Why it's akin to Hitler!

See the contempt and how they look DOWN on you for being for saying the pledge.

Remember this Tuesday! Vote!

I can't thank you liberals enough for letting down your fake masks and letting everyone know exactly who you are!

You did my job for me! Thanks!

 

[JBeukema]

Oh man, when a fool starts blathering just get out of their way and let 'em!

so no rebuttal? are you aware of the history of the pledge and its purpose?

So what if the Nazis said the Pledge. At least they lived up to it and fought for their country till they ran out of gas. Pledging Allegiance to the United States is no different. Would you fight for this country if needed and show your allegiance to the United States alone when fighting a enemy in a time of war?

We salute these idealists; no matter how unsavory the Nazi government was, the front-line soldiers of the Waffen-SS (in particular the foreign volunteers) gave their lives for their loved ones and a basic desire to be free.
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[JBeukema]

She's another Soros sock puppet

...And, there's little-chance the person who initiated The Pledge was a Teabagger, right?? ​

"The crowd’s reaction “was an American moment, that’s what that was,” he said."

....And, ANOTHER herd o' 'Baggers have fulfilled their patriotic-duties for another YEAR....no (actual) thinking OR work REQUIRED!!​

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Man! Do you see the anger, the fury from liberals! The country is reciting the pledge at debate and they can't stop it!

It's enfuriating them! They KNOW the country is arisen and will go voting booth on Tuesday in that spirit! Man it has them scared and angry at the same time!

I'm loving it!

PI? You're back?

 

[LiberalNut]

The amount to which right wingers go for this faux-patriotism schtick is simply astonishing. They are for the big government forcing children to recite words they don't understand no less. If right wingers were computers, the internal inconsistencies would shut them down. Blue screen of death baby.

Truth is, right wingerism isn't about patriotism. It is in essense a religious movement. That's why they are all into these rituals and use them to define the in group from the out group. It's obvious to anyone with the capacity for independent thought but we all know the right wing doesn't encourage that.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I think the whole thing was a shameless abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain

It's an "abuse of the pledge" to say the pledge AT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

The ONLY reason liberals would think it was for "political gain" is IF they KNOW people see them as hating the country, and that conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to patriotism.

WHY do you think liberals are all looking for ways to excuse their contempt for this open act of patriotism.

Because they know people see them as hating the country.

And people are right. If liberals loved their country as much as conservatives they wouldn't have a problem with a spontaneous reciting of the pledge!

The only reason they would get into little snob fits about this is if they DO hate the country and they don't LIKE it that there are people who still DO love the country.

Yeah, there is a political agenda with this pledge all right AND IT'S YOURS LIBERALS. You want people to hate the country FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN!

You only make it all too obvious with your objections in this thread!

Remember this and vote!

 

[teapartysamurai]

What Im talking about is the nationalism you are hawking right now, otherwise you wouldnt want to force people that wouldnt normally use the pledge.

To keep claiming the left is un-American or hates our country is plain stupid. We are no less American than you are.

Anyone who refuses the pledge of allegiance is , in my eyes, not 100% American.
I salute the flag and say the pledge at least once a month myself. And I mean it. You don't like it, too bad for you.

Quick question sarge.

Why should I show allegience to any government that is willing to kill a fellow citizen with out trial or conviction?

I say the pledge to the country. The pledge is NOT to the pukes who are in power right now!

I'm surprised you can't see that. And I think you should be ashamed.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Sorry Full-Auto, I can't answer a question without enough info.

But if you have a problem pledging allegiance to a country, then maybe you shouldn't live in that country.

Damn straight my brother in conservative arms!

The pledge is an allegiance to the country, NOT to the pukes in government.

 

[JBeukema]

Anyone notice TPSam's pledge video is missing the 'under God' the rightwingers added in direct contradiction to the principles laid out in the 1st Amendment?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Once again liberals show their contempt for this country

By not mindlessly repeating a socialist pledge to a theocracy?

Yeah liberals mindless hatred of the country and their excuses for their contempt for the pledge. That isn't mindless.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo, of course not!

 

[uscitizen]

sorry full-auto, i can't answer a question without enough info.

But if you have a problem pledging allegiance to a country, then maybe you shouldn't live in that country.

huh?

 

[LiberalNut]

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

If it were truly about pride in country, there wouldn't be any problem. That isn't what it's about though. It's about the ritual.

I do the ritual, I'm part of the "in" group. You don't do the ritual, you're part of the "out" group.

That's it. That's what it's about. For the controlers of the marrionette strings, it's about getting you to vote against your own best interests based on this faux-patriotsm divide and conquer idiocy.

 

[teapartysamurai]

To pledge to an indivisible nation flies in the face of everything this FF believed about the right and duty to destroy and replace bad systems.

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

 

[JBeukema]

Once again liberals show their contempt for this country

By not mindlessly repeating a socialist pledge to a theocracy?

Yeah liberals mindless hatred of the country and their excuses for their contempt for the pledge. That isn't mindless.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo, of course not!

So what if the Nazis said the Pledge. At least they lived up to it and fought for their country till they ran out of gas. Pledging Allegiance to the United States is no different. Would you fight for this country if needed and show your allegiance to the United States alone when fighting a enemy in a time of war?

Nationalists swear loyalty to a nation and a State.

I wear loyalty to my principles.

I support this or any other State only insomuch as it upholds those principles and I will oppose it whenever it violates them.

That's what it means to have principles.

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