Another Debate Audience Recites Pledge when Moderator says "no!"

[LiberalNut]

Another screed about us all being knucking dragging rednecks.

And now the drone comes back with the automatic, spoon fed response. Never mind that I said nothing about knuckles or red necks. The right winger is simply repeating the trained lines without any independent thought, kinda like the recitation of the pledge.

Do you see the contempt and frothing vitriol in this? The rage?

Ummm, no, I don't. I see me posting reality and you seeing nothing but the fantasy world that you have been trained to see. I'm saddened by the extent to which ideology, ritualism and bigotry have been allowed to shut down your brain.

They can't STAND

Tell me, who are "they"? Are "they" Americans who deserve liberty and justice, as the pledge says? Or are they eeeeevil liberals who deserve nothing but your scorn?

Remember these liberal snobs

And now we have the answer and it was unremarkably the latter. You see, this is just another trained response, like Pavlov's dog. Liberal speaks truth with elloquence, conservabot calls them pointy headed, arrogant etc. I gotta tell ya, it's hard to be offended by what is so obviously a conditioned response.

Do you roll over an play dead too?

 

[JBeukema]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8PmEjxUfg&feature=channel

Did he just start off by playing Solidarity Forever on the fife?

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's a pledge to the country.

No, it's a pledge to a flag and the Republic for which it stands. For you though, it's a pledge to an ideology fed to you by those who want you to vote against your own interests. How about that last line of the pledge...

"with liberty and justice for all"

Do you REALLY believe in that? Really? Liberty and justice for hispanic, liberal, homosexulas who get abortions?

BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for proving me right!

Because to liberals the flag represents the principles of this country which run COUNTER TO LIBERALISM!!!!!!!!!

Liberals feel threatened by that, people patriotic people DON'T VOTE FOR LIBERALISM!

And apparently it's "against our own interest" to vote for conservatives.

Do you know what that "voting against your best interest" means?

It means we are all wittle children and we can't decide for ourselves how to live. We need liberals to force it on us with an iron fist because "we know what's best for you!"

The ultimate Nazi Nannies are liberals and then THEY equate the flag with Hitler? Pretty damn funny!

Thank you, but I can decide for myself what's best for me. I don't need fascist/socialist nannies to do it for me!

AND THAT'S WHY YOU FEAR THE PLEDGE. Because it makes people feel the same way I do about your "best interest" politics.

To tell you to take your facist/socialist "we know what's best for you" statist nanny-ism and shove it!

 

[The T]

To pledge to an indivisible nation flies in the face of everything this FF believed about the right and duty to destroy and replace bad systems.

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

That's because to pledge allegience to this country means that they have to be productive contributors to our society rather than be moochers that don't want accountability, responsibility to anyone for what they're given. And that means their own Liberty.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I think the whole thing was a shameless abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain

It's an "abuse of the pledge" to say the pledge AT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

The ONLY reason liberals would think it was for "political gain" is IF they KNOW people see them as hating the country, and that conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to patriotism.

WHY do you think liberals are all looking for ways to excuse their contempt for this open act of patriotism.

Because they know people see them as hating the country.

And people are right. If liberals loved their country as much as conservatives they wouldn't have a problem with a spontaneous reciting of the pledge!

The only reason they would get into little snob fits about this is if they DO hate the country and they don't LIKE it that there are people who still DO love the country.

Yeah, there is a political agenda with this pledge all right AND IT'S YOURS LIBERALS. You want people to hate the country FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN!

You only make it all too obvious with your objections in this thread!

Remember this and vote!

Its a debate with rules. The audience is there to observe not participate in partisan patriotism. If the candidate felt so strongly about saying the pledge before the debate, he should have insisted on it before hand.

To hijack the debate to conduct a "I am more patriotic than my opponent" display is an abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain.

Yes, yes of course! Those plebes in the audience better keep quiet and not do anything untoward like saying the pledge!

What an insurrection! Why the next thing you know, they will think they can vote on Tuesday for conservatives!

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's a pledge to the country.

No, it's a pledge to a flag and the Republic for which it stands. For you though, it's a pledge to an ideology fed to you by those who want you to vote against your own interests. How about that last line of the pledge...

"with liberty and justice for all"

Do you REALLY believe in that? Really? Liberty and justice for hispanic, liberal, homosexulas who get abortions?

If they are homosexual, they sure went out of their way to get knocked up so they could get an abortion.

I'm trying to figure out how these guys can get an abortion anyway!

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-WasNzVpI[/ame]

 

[teapartysamurai]

Nationalism is never a good thing.

Then you won't mind leaving America and renouncing your citizenship? After all... being proud of your nation and heritage and culture is meaningless.

Isn't it?

Which heritage is that?

Slavekeeping?

Annexing Hawaii?

Locking ethnic Japanese in internment camps?

Segregation?

Male-only suffrage?

Or the heritage of telling bad government to fuck off and changing it to make it better- first by telling the king to go fuck himself then by throwing the Articles of Confederation in the trash, not to mention amending the Constitution 27 times now...

Which Constitution, which incarnation of this country do you love? is there nothing you would change?

Do you have any principles at all?

See? This is your liberal!

Oh they claim they love the country, but let them go and they will tell you exactly what they think of the country. They HATE it!

Remember this when you vote Tuesday!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Who is PI?

Perfectly Ignorant?

teabaggersam sounds a lot like publicinfantalism to me

When liberals start losing they drop the subject and just start attacking you personally.

Looks like that's what's happening!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Reading comprehension is not your forte', is it?

I sure have enough to tell when you are losing.

You tried to use Jefferson as your shield, but when pressed you knew he didn't work.

So you dropped him and just attacked personally AGAIN!

That's what liberals do when they are losing and it's pretty obvious, that you are losing!

 

[JBeukema]

See? This is your liberal!

You're calling yourself a liberal now?

Let me google that for you

Oh they claim they love the country, but let them go and they will tell you exactly what they think of the country. They HATE it!

do cite

 

[CurveLight]

Makes perfect sense. This crowd knows how to unify to recite a civil prayer but they don't have the first fucking clue on how to unite to stop America from killing its own Citizens and countless other people.

 

[LiberalNut]

Because to liberals the flag represents the principles of this country which run COUNTER TO LIBERALISM!!!!!!!!!

The truly sad thig is that you actually believe this. In reality, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States and the rest pretty much embody the radical liberalism of the 18th century. A conservative back then was a monarchist. In America, a conservative was a Tory, a loyalist to the throne of George III. They actually took up arms at times against the Republic for which the flag stands! Real, radically liberal, patriots tended to tar and feather these conservatives.

But, of course, actual history means nothing to you. The narrative fed to you by the right wing noise machine is what matters, regardless of how counter-factual and ahistorical it is. Thus, absolutely RADICAL liberals in the form of our founding fathers are somehow transformed into conservabots in your spoon fed fantasy.

It really is pathetic ya know.

 

[JBeukema]

Liberals wrote COTUS

 

[rightwinger]

It's an "abuse of the pledge" to say the pledge AT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

The ONLY reason liberals would think it was for "political gain" is IF they KNOW people see them as hating the country, and that conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to patriotism.

WHY do you think liberals are all looking for ways to excuse their contempt for this open act of patriotism.

Because they know people see them as hating the country.

And people are right. If liberals loved their country as much as conservatives they wouldn't have a problem with a spontaneous reciting of the pledge!

The only reason they would get into little snob fits about this is if they DO hate the country and they don't LIKE it that there are people who still DO love the country.

Yeah, there is a political agenda with this pledge all right AND IT'S YOURS LIBERALS. You want people to hate the country FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN!

You only make it all too obvious with your objections in this thread!

Remember this and vote!

Its a debate with rules. The audience is there to observe not participate in partisan patriotism. If the candidate felt so strongly about saying the pledge before the debate, he should have insisted on it before hand.

To hijack the debate to conduct a "I am more patriotic than my opponent" display is an abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain.

Yes, yes of course! Those plebes in the audience better keep quiet and not do anything untoward like saying the pledge!

What an insurrection! Why the next thing you know, they will think they can vote on Tuesday for conservatives!

The plebes in the audience were planted there and told to ignore the rules of the debate and to ignore the moderator. Political grandstanding to make it appear "I am more patriotic than my opponent"

Pure abuse of the intent of the Pledge...but par for the course

 

[teapartysamurai]

Yes.. the Founding Fathers hated America...

Especially that Jefferson

When you have a quote of Jefferson directly saying something against the Pledge of Allegiance let me know.

when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security


You know, like telling the king of England to go fuck himself.

So much for that 'indivisible' bit.

And you don't see ANY difference between KING GEORGE for which we WERE NOT allowed a way to vote him out of office and thus HAD to resort to revolution AND SAYING A PLEDGE AT A DEBATE which is ABOUT VOTING TYRANNY OUT OF OFFICE???????????

Man that says way more about YOU than it does about the Pledge!

I rest my CASE!

 

[teapartysamurai]

"We surely cannot deny to any nation that right whereon our own government is founded, that every one may govern itself according to whatever form it pleases and change these forms at its own will... The will of the nation is the only thing essential to be regarded." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1792. ME 9:36

And HOW is that WILL OF THE NATION to be represented????????????

By SAYING A PLEDGE AT A DEBATE WHICH IS ABOUT VOTING TYRANNY OUT OF OFFICE???????????

I again REST MY CASE You so lose!

 

[JBeukema]

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Loser-Take-All-Subversion-Democracy/dp/0978843142"]Are you allowed to vote?[/ame]

 

[The T]

"We surely cannot deny to any nation that right whereon our own government is founded, that every one may govern itself according to whatever form it pleases and change these forms at its own will... The will of the nation is the only thing essential to be regarded." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1792. ME 9:36

And HOW is that WILL OF THE NATION to be represented????????????

By SAYING A PLEDGE AT A DEBATE WHICH IS ABOUT VOTING TYRANNY OUT OF OFFICE???????????

I again REST MY CASE You so lose!

Looks like the will of that crowd that wanted the pledge won out too!

 

[uscitizen]

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

Yes.. the Founding Fathers hated America...

Especially that Jefferson

When you have a quote of Jefferson directly saying something against the Pledge of Allegiance let me know.

did Jefferson ever recite the pledge of alliegance?

 

[JBeukema]

"We surely cannot deny to any nation that right whereon our own government is founded, that every one may govern itself according to whatever form it pleases and change these forms at its own will... The will of the nation is the only thing essential to be regarded." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1792. ME 9:36

And HOW is that WILL OF THE NATION to be represented????????????

By SAYING A PLEDGE AT A DEBATE WHICH IS ABOUT VOTING TYRANNY OUT OF OFFICE???????????

I again REST MY CASE You so lose!

How does interrupting a debate intended to ensure informed elections with a socialist pledge to a theocratic State represent the will of the nation?

can someone check this idiot's IP against PI's?