CDZ Again Trump relies on his supporters' ignorance, their keenness to believe him, to push his lies

You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

What universe are you living in? Sanders people would never go for Trump.


Wanna bet? Bernie's biggest supporters are millennials, who as a group HATE Hillary. There will be some crossover, yes for sure most will stick with the party ticket, but some will crossover.
 
You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

What universe are you living in? Sanders people would never go for Trump.


Wanna bet? Bernie's biggest supporters are millennials, who as a group HATE Hillary. There will be some crossover, yes for sure most will stick with the party ticket, but some will crossover.

Bet that Hillary hands trump his ass? I would ask what's the bet? I'll do it. Trump what ever he is, is not the same type of reptile as Hillary.
 
You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

What universe are you living in? Sanders people would never go for Trump.


Wanna bet? Bernie's biggest supporters are millennials, who as a group HATE Hillary. There will be some crossover, yes for sure most will stick with the party ticket, but some will crossover.

Bet that Hillary hands trump his ass? I would ask what's the bet? I'll do it. Trump what ever he is, is not the same type of reptile as Hillary.

Unfortunately most ideologues don't care what kind of reptile she is.
 
Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

What universe are you living in? Sanders people would never go for Trump.


Wanna bet? Bernie's biggest supporters are millennials, who as a group HATE Hillary. There will be some crossover, yes for sure most will stick with the party ticket, but some will crossover.

Bet that Hillary hands trump his ass? I would ask what's the bet? I'll do it. Trump what ever he is, is not the same type of reptile as Hillary.

Unfortunately most ideologues don't care what kind of reptile she is.

Sadly no.
 
Over the weekend, Mssrs. Kasich and Cruz agreed to something akin to, but not the same as, "divide and conquer" with regard to ensuring the GOP convention goes to a second ballot. Trump has described their agreement as "collusion," saying,
"If you collude in business, or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. But in politics, because it’s a rigged system, because it’s a corrupt enterprise, in politics you’re allowed to collude."​

Well, the fact of the matter is the alliance his GOP competitors have formed is not in any way collusion. I don't know who is the bigger "mess": Trump for depicting it that way -- if he truly means collusion, he's just ignorant; if he doesn't truly mean collusion, he's deliberately misrepresenting the facts -- or his followers who accept his assertion as true. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing secret or illegal or dishonest about the alliance the two men have formed.
  • If it were a secret alliance/act, the whole world wouldn't know about it, and the candidates wouldn't have disclosed it.
  • If it were illegal or dishonest, Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich would be formally charged with a crime much as are colluders in stock trading.
And what did Trump do in response? Lash out about someone's eating habits, levy other insults, and complain like a child. "Mommy, the other boys are ganging up on me. " Really? That's his idea of "being Presidential?"

About the only thing that can be said of the agreement the two men have formed is that it is clumsy and poorly implemented.
  • Timing -- It's an agreement that the two should have established long ago. It may well be "too little too late" at this point. One can only presume that both men's hubris is what prevented them from doing so when it became clear that the odds were very, very long for either of their getting to 1237 pledged delegates before the GOP Convention.
  • Nature and extent -- It's an agreement that is only half-heartedly in place. Consider Mr. Kasich's remark today in which he said he's not telling his supporters not to vote for him. Excuse me! Say what? That's exactly what he should and would do were he committed to the "divide and conquer" strategy.
What were those two thinking? That they could announce a "divide and conquer" approach for the purpose of forcing second and third voting rounds at the GOP convention while holding true to wanting their supporters to vote for them in the remaining primaries/caucuses? Hugh? Those two knuckleheads don't even have the sense or ability to unite for a brief period to achieve a common goal, one that regardless of what happens afterwards is essential to achieve for both of their aims of becoming President to come to fruition.

Truly, I don't think I can ever recall a time when either party had as its potential leader what amounts to, as the GOP has now, rule by "three blind mice." I'm an Independent, but I have to think that any rationally thinking/driven Republican has to be thoroughly embarrassed by the remaining choices s/he has available this election cycle: a consummate prevaricator and two buffoons. Jesus H. Christ!

But so does Hillary, Obama, and most if not all of the Democrat politicians out there? Quite a few Republicans as well.
 
You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

You are sorely ignorant of American Politics if you think that any Sanders Supporter is going to vote for Trump.
 
Over the weekend, Mssrs. Kasich and Cruz agreed to something akin to, but not the same as, "divide and conquer" with regard to ensuring the GOP convention goes to a second ballot. Trump has described their agreement as "collusion," saying,
"If you collude in business, or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. But in politics, because it’s a rigged system, because it’s a corrupt enterprise, in politics you’re allowed to collude."​

Well, the fact of the matter is the alliance his GOP competitors have formed is not in any way collusion. I don't know who is the bigger "mess": Trump for depicting it that way -- if he truly means collusion, he's just ignorant; if he doesn't truly mean collusion, he's deliberately misrepresenting the facts -- or his followers who accept his assertion as true. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing secret or illegal or dishonest about the alliance the two men have formed.
  • If it were a secret alliance/act, the whole world wouldn't know about it, and the candidates wouldn't have disclosed it.
  • If it were illegal or dishonest, Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich would be formally charged with a crime much as are colluders in stock trading.
And what did Trump do in response? Lash out about someone's eating habits, levy other insults, and complain like a child. "Mommy, the other boys are ganging up on me. " Really? That's his idea of "being Presidential?"

About the only thing that can be said of the agreement the two men have formed is that it is clumsy and poorly implemented.
  • Timing -- It's an agreement that the two should have established long ago. It may well be "too little too late" at this point. One can only presume that both men's hubris is what prevented them from doing so when it became clear that the odds were very, very long for either of their getting to 1237 pledged delegates before the GOP Convention.
  • Nature and extent -- It's an agreement that is only half-heartedly in place. Consider Mr. Kasich's remark today in which he said he's not telling his supporters not to vote for him. Excuse me! Say what? That's exactly what he should and would do were he committed to the "divide and conquer" strategy.
What were those two thinking? That they could announce a "divide and conquer" approach for the purpose of forcing second and third voting rounds at the GOP convention while holding true to wanting their supporters to vote for them in the remaining primaries/caucuses? Hugh? Those two knuckleheads don't even have the sense or ability to unite for a brief period to achieve a common goal, one that regardless of what happens afterwards is essential to achieve for both of their aims of becoming President to come to fruition.

Truly, I don't think I can ever recall a time when either party had as its potential leader what amounts to, as the GOP has now, rule by "three blind mice." I'm an Independent, but I have to think that any rationally thinking/driven Republican has to be thoroughly embarrassed by the remaining choices s/he has available this election cycle: a consummate prevaricator and two buffoons. Jesus H. Christ!

LOL talk about griping about nothing. Yes, collusion may be the incorrect word here, but it certainly stinks of shadinesss that they would make some deal to sacrifice votes for themselves in order to stop Trump. I lost a great deal of respect for John Kasich over this.

What Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich (presumably) agreed to do isn't at all shady:
  • They didn't do it on the DL.
  • It doesn't even skirt the bounds of legality, much less cross them.
  • It is the only remaining approach that gives either of them any possibility of gaining the Presidency.
You correctly identified the strategy as that of the sacrifice, but it's a time honored strategy that when "played" in accordance with the "rules of the game" is not shady at all, although it may appear to be so to strategic novices.
Once one enters the world of shrewd and mature adults, one is, like it or not, in the game of the "big boys." That is so in business, life in general, politics, and so on. Trump knows that the vast majority of his supporters are "losers" and haven't any idea of how the sacrifice works, even though there's no way he's not used it in one context or another. I suspect he's surprised, and thrilled, that his opponents waited this long to implement the sacrifice strategy. I know I am. Just goes to show that their hubris is comparable to his own.

To close, that Trump or anyone else characterize Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich's temporary partnership as somehow underhanded is at once bizarre and benighted. Even The Bard wrote of it.

Alas, the storm is come again! my best way is to
creep under his gaberdine; there is no other
shelter hereabouts: misery acquaints a man with strange bed-fellows. I will here shroud till the
dregs of the storm be past.
-- William Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act 2, Scene 2​
 
Over the weekend, Mssrs. Kasich and Cruz agreed to something akin to, but not the same as, "divide and conquer" with regard to ensuring the GOP convention goes to a second ballot. Trump has described their agreement as "collusion," saying,
"If you collude in business, or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. But in politics, because it’s a rigged system, because it’s a corrupt enterprise, in politics you’re allowed to collude."​

Well, the fact of the matter is the alliance his GOP competitors have formed is not in any way collusion. I don't know who is the bigger "mess": Trump for depicting it that way -- if he truly means collusion, he's just ignorant; if he doesn't truly mean collusion, he's deliberately misrepresenting the facts -- or his followers who accept his assertion as true. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing secret or illegal or dishonest about the alliance the two men have formed.
  • If it were a secret alliance/act, the whole world wouldn't know about it, and the candidates wouldn't have disclosed it.
  • If it were illegal or dishonest, Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich would be formally charged with a crime much as are colluders in stock trading.
And what did Trump do in response? Lash out about someone's eating habits, levy other insults, and complain like a child. "Mommy, the other boys are ganging up on me. " Really? That's his idea of "being Presidential?"

About the only thing that can be said of the agreement the two men have formed is that it is clumsy and poorly implemented.
  • Timing -- It's an agreement that the two should have established long ago. It may well be "too little too late" at this point. One can only presume that both men's hubris is what prevented them from doing so when it became clear that the odds were very, very long for either of their getting to 1237 pledged delegates before the GOP Convention.
  • Nature and extent -- It's an agreement that is only half-heartedly in place. Consider Mr. Kasich's remark today in which he said he's not telling his supporters not to vote for him. Excuse me! Say what? That's exactly what he should and would do were he committed to the "divide and conquer" strategy.
What were those two thinking? That they could announce a "divide and conquer" approach for the purpose of forcing second and third voting rounds at the GOP convention while holding true to wanting their supporters to vote for them in the remaining primaries/caucuses? Hugh? Those two knuckleheads don't even have the sense or ability to unite for a brief period to achieve a common goal, one that regardless of what happens afterwards is essential to achieve for both of their aims of becoming President to come to fruition.

Truly, I don't think I can ever recall a time when either party had as its potential leader what amounts to, as the GOP has now, rule by "three blind mice." I'm an Independent, but I have to think that any rationally thinking/driven Republican has to be thoroughly embarrassed by the remaining choices s/he has available this election cycle: a consummate prevaricator and two buffoons. Jesus H. Christ!

LOL talk about griping about nothing. Yes, collusion may be the incorrect word here, but it certainly stinks of shadinesss that they would make some deal to sacrifice votes for themselves in order to stop Trump. I lost a great deal of respect for John Kasich over this.

What Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich (presumably) agreed to do isn't at all shady:
  • They didn't do it on the DL.
  • It doesn't even skirt the bounds of legality, much less cross them.
  • It is the only remaining approach that gives either of them any possibility of gaining the Presidency.
You correctly identified the strategy as that of the sacrifice, but it's a time honored strategy that when "played" in accordance with the "rules of the game" is not shady at all, although it may appear to be so to strategic novices.
Once one enters the world of shrewd and mature adults, one is, like it or not, in the game of the "big boys." That is so in business, life in general, politics, and so on. Trump knows that the vast majority of his supporters are "losers" and haven't any idea of how the sacrifice works, even though there's no way he's not used it in one context or another. I suspect he's surprised, and thrilled, that his opponents waited this long to implement the sacrifice strategy. I know I am. Just goes to show that their hubris is comparable to his own.

To close, that Trump or anyone else characterize Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich's temporary partnership as somehow underhanded is at once bizarre and benighted. Even The Bard wrote of it.

Alas, the storm is come again! my best way is to
creep under his gaberdine; there is no other
shelter hereabouts: misery acquaints a man with strange bed-fellows. I will here shroud till the
dregs of the storm be past.
-- William Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act 2, Scene 2​



Feel free to prove that the vast majority of Trump supporters are losers.
 
Over the weekend, Mssrs. Kasich and Cruz agreed to something akin to, but not the same as, "divide and conquer" with regard to ensuring the GOP convention goes to a second ballot. Trump has described their agreement as "collusion," saying,
"If you collude in business, or if you collude in the stock market, they put you in jail. But in politics, because it’s a rigged system, because it’s a corrupt enterprise, in politics you’re allowed to collude."​

Well, the fact of the matter is the alliance his GOP competitors have formed is not in any way collusion. I don't know who is the bigger "mess": Trump for depicting it that way -- if he truly means collusion, he's just ignorant; if he doesn't truly mean collusion, he's deliberately misrepresenting the facts -- or his followers who accept his assertion as true. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing secret or illegal or dishonest about the alliance the two men have formed.
  • If it were a secret alliance/act, the whole world wouldn't know about it, and the candidates wouldn't have disclosed it.
  • If it were illegal or dishonest, Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich would be formally charged with a crime much as are colluders in stock trading.
And what did Trump do in response? Lash out about someone's eating habits, levy other insults, and complain like a child. "Mommy, the other boys are ganging up on me. " Really? That's his idea of "being Presidential?"

About the only thing that can be said of the agreement the two men have formed is that it is clumsy and poorly implemented.
  • Timing -- It's an agreement that the two should have established long ago. It may well be "too little too late" at this point. One can only presume that both men's hubris is what prevented them from doing so when it became clear that the odds were very, very long for either of their getting to 1237 pledged delegates before the GOP Convention.
  • Nature and extent -- It's an agreement that is only half-heartedly in place. Consider Mr. Kasich's remark today in which he said he's not telling his supporters not to vote for him. Excuse me! Say what? That's exactly what he should and would do were he committed to the "divide and conquer" strategy.
What were those two thinking? That they could announce a "divide and conquer" approach for the purpose of forcing second and third voting rounds at the GOP convention while holding true to wanting their supporters to vote for them in the remaining primaries/caucuses? Hugh? Those two knuckleheads don't even have the sense or ability to unite for a brief period to achieve a common goal, one that regardless of what happens afterwards is essential to achieve for both of their aims of becoming President to come to fruition.

Truly, I don't think I can ever recall a time when either party had as its potential leader what amounts to, as the GOP has now, rule by "three blind mice." I'm an Independent, but I have to think that any rationally thinking/driven Republican has to be thoroughly embarrassed by the remaining choices s/he has available this election cycle: a consummate prevaricator and two buffoons. Jesus H. Christ!

LOL talk about griping about nothing. Yes, collusion may be the incorrect word here, but it certainly stinks of shadinesss that they would make some deal to sacrifice votes for themselves in order to stop Trump. I lost a great deal of respect for John Kasich over this.

What Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich (presumably) agreed to do isn't at all shady:
  • They didn't do it on the DL.
  • It doesn't even skirt the bounds of legality, much less cross them.
  • It is the only remaining approach that gives either of them any possibility of gaining the Presidency.
You correctly identified the strategy as that of the sacrifice, but it's a time honored strategy that when "played" in accordance with the "rules of the game" is not shady at all, although it may appear to be so to strategic novices.
Once one enters the world of shrewd and mature adults, one is, like it or not, in the game of the "big boys." That is so in business, life in general, politics, and so on. Trump knows that the vast majority of his supporters are "losers" and haven't any idea of how the sacrifice works, even though there's no way he's not used it in one context or another. I suspect he's surprised, and thrilled, that his opponents waited this long to implement the sacrifice strategy. I know I am. Just goes to show that their hubris is comparable to his own.

To close, that Trump or anyone else characterize Mssrs. Cruz and Kasich's temporary partnership as somehow underhanded is at once bizarre and benighted. Even The Bard wrote of it.

Alas, the storm is come again! my best way is to
creep under his gaberdine; there is no other
shelter hereabouts: misery acquaints a man with strange bed-fellows. I will here shroud till the
dregs of the storm be past.
-- William Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act 2, Scene 2​



Feel free to prove that the vast majority of Trump supporters are losers.

You know, there are some folks on this forum who don't routinely concur with me and who yet offer well informed and intelligent comments. FA_Q2 and JimBowie1958 are two who come quickly to mind. You are not among that group. Please stop responding to my posts when you have nothing intelligent and factually accurate to say to me.
 
Yeah, ignorance is the organizing principle of our political system. Power is obtained through the amoral manipulation of fear and ignorance. Nothing new there, right? John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate. That was every bit as scary as Trump. Scarier, maybe. Which one of those two would you appoint to be president, if they were your only choices? Trump or Palin? Trump for me!

Kasich and Cruz are doing nothing, really. A very strange decision on their part. You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do. You can stop campaigning in those states, and make sure that it's understood why you are doing that. It's pretty late in the day to adopt this policy, though.

It's all a mind game. Trump doesn't care what they do, he merely twists what they do into the presentation he calculates will anger the most people. They're cheating me, he screams, and by extension they're cheating you! And look how sloppily they eat. Euuuwww!

Cruz and Kasich, by contrast, have no support. They have anti-Trump voters. Since so many of their people are committed anti-Trumpers, rather than fervent Cruz-maniacs or Kasich-heads, they might be amenable to this strategy. We'll see how it plays out, but I suspect it will either be a wash or work out more to Trump's advantage.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that both parties give us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that The GOP gave us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.

Fixed it for you.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that The GOP gave us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.

Fixed it for you.


LOL, see that's why our country is fucked up, people like you continue to pretend one side is somehow worse than the other.
 
You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

In your day dream.
 
One good thing about a Sander's revolution, all you would have to do is tell those people that a revolution is a job, an they woul all go home. LOL
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that both parties give us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.

I agree wholeheartedly that ideally one'd vote for someone rather than against someone else. Unfortunately, as you note, the choices we've got, for me at least, leave me with little option but to choose the best of the worst. That said, the choices we have are the ones we have. It's our duty to yet choose, even if we don't like options given.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that The GOP gave us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.

Fixed it for you.

Well, I think Rand Paul would have been decent, and I was quite keen on Ron Paul back when he tried to run for POTUS. I wasn't nuts about Jeb Bush, but I'd sooner have had him be President than any of the three left standing.

Of course, every year, I find myself having to choose between my economic sensibilities and my social ones. In prior years, I went with my economic preferences, but this year, I think I'm going to prioritize my social values over my economic ones.
 
You guys are really going to be pissed after tomorrow's primaries. Trump is fast closing the gap between him and Hillary. Once the folks who voted for Sanders joins Trump's camp, it'll be all over for Hillary. Suck it up.

Good day for him yeah, but he will end up settling at the convention. If he does make it Hillary will hand his ass to him.

What part of the rebellion you don't understand? Sanders people are getting ready to go full Trump.

In your day dream.

How will he beat Hillery? In the New York primaries, he did very very well, but if you look at the numbers Bernie Sanders who lost to Hillery had more people voting for him Then Trump did. Trump will not win the northeast against Hillery. And in the south, Trump softened his anti-PC position on illegal immegration to something akin to Dubya's. He also came out in favor of the transgender normalization agenda, agrees on raising taxes and so on. Basically, we are getting another Mitt Romney, just one that the Clintons like allot. Most GOP voters will stay home just like they did for McCain and mittens. Then you will see all the Trumpies complaining how the man took him down then we will move on to something else. Trump is a dead end.
 
You can't tell your supporters to support the other guy in selected states. All you can do is telegraph that you wouldn't mind if they do.

Frankly, if one is a committed Cruz or Kasich supporter, one shouldn't have to be told. Common sense, or even observational sense gained from the early days of the GOP race, should have made it clear that the "anti-Trump" faction of the party should have coalesced around one person -- the one most likely to come closest to Trump -- rather than bifurcating the strength of their "anti-Trump" vote by voting for "their guy" who hadn't a snowball's chance in Hell of winning the nomination.

Why it is that it wasn't obvious, from the moment there were some 12+ people vying for the GOP nomination, that one needed to focus one's voting on voting against "someone" rather than for someone is beyond me. The electorate should have written off everyone except Mssrs. Trump, Cruz, Bush and Rubio from day one. By the end of January, it should have been clear that one either needed to vote for Trump because that's who one wanted or for Cruz to ensure that Trump didn't get the nomination if that's what one wanted.

The hope that any of the rest of the GOP candidates could have actually gotten the 1237 delegates needed to secure outright the nomination was pure folly. Then again, the GOP's members -- leadership and rank and file -- aren't strangers to folly of myriad sorts.


That's true, if you buy that people should be voting against someone , rather than FOR someone, which to me is an awful way to elect a leader.

Of course a large part of that can be blamed on the fact that The GOP gave us such terrible choices as candidates to begin with.

Fixed it for you.

Well, I think Rand Paul would have been decent, and I was quite keen on Ron Paul back when he tried to run for POTUS. I wasn't nuts about Jeb Bush, but I'd sooner have had him be President than any of the three left standing.

Of course, every year, I find myself having to choose between my economic sensibilities and my social ones. In prior years, I went with my economic preferences, but this year, I think I'm going to prioritize my social values over my economic ones.


I thought Kasich was a good candidate. At least in relative terms. Couln't stand Cruz, for one simple reason - the GOP has GOT to learn that the American voter does NOT want a religious zealot in the White House. It's one thing to tell people of your faith and thank God for your life, it's another to smack people in the head with a Bible and talk about how God wants you to lead the country back into righteousness.

I'll get behind Trump because he's frankly, my kind of conservative. He cares about border control, an illegal immigration, he's pro strong military but he doesn't hold a hard assed position on social issues.

The last by the way is my biggest problem with the Democratic party in general over the last 12 years, they are all about "social justice" rather than making this country strong and successful.
 

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