You Who Choose Permanent Death. Why Do You Do That?

[JAG]

Why should I suspend reason to believe in something for which there is no proof?

You seem to be a serious poster.
You're not rabid like some of 'em.

Its just totally incorrect for you to say there is no proof for the
truth of Christianity.
Do the following for your benefit.
Don't do it for me.
Spend some time browsing this site:

Defending Biblical Christianity | Reasonable Faith

Reasonable Faith provides a Christian perspective on the most important issues. Find a deep library of resources featuring the work of Dr. William Lane Craig.

www.reasonablefaith.org

Then come back and tell me there is no proof for Christianity.

Would you classify all 20 of these arguments as adding up to zero proof?

Twenty Arguments God's Existence by Peter Kreeft (& Ronald K. Tacelli)

www.peterkreeft.com

Best Regards.

JAG


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[Blues Man]

You seem to be a serious poster.
You're not rabid like some of 'em.

Its just totally incorrect for you to say there is no proof for the
truth of Christianity.
Do the following for your benefit.
Don't do it for me.
Spend some time browsing this site:

Defending Biblical Christianity | Reasonable Faith

Reasonable Faith provides a Christian perspective on the most important issues. Find a deep library of resources featuring the work of Dr. William Lane Craig.

www.reasonablefaith.org

Then come back and tell me there is no proof for Christianity.

Would you classify all 20 of these arguments as adding up to zero proof?

Twenty Arguments God's Existence by Peter Kreeft (& Ronald K. Tacelli)

www.peterkreeft.com

Best Regards.

JAG


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I've read the bible cover to cover more than once.

I don't see how ascribing something to a god simply because we may not understand the how of it is valid reasoning.

My dog will never understand prime numbers because her brain is physically unable to perform the thought processes necessary. It's not then unreasonable to think there are some things in the universe that we will never understand because we are also incapable of the thought processes required for comprehension.

I see no reason to claim a god is responsible simply because we cannot understand something.

 

[BreezeWood]

You seem to be a serious poster.
You're not rabid like some of 'em.

Its just totally incorrect for you to say there is no proof for the
truth of Christianity.
Do the following for your benefit.
Don't do it for me.
Spend some time browsing this site:

Defending Biblical Christianity | Reasonable Faith

Reasonable Faith provides a Christian perspective on the most important issues. Find a deep library of resources featuring the work of Dr. William Lane Craig.

www.reasonablefaith.org

Then come back and tell me there is no proof for Christianity.

Would you classify all 20 of these arguments as adding up to zero proof?

Twenty Arguments God's Existence by Peter Kreeft (& Ronald K. Tacelli)

www.peterkreeft.com

Best Regards.

JAG


``

Jesus ate food in His resurrection body and so can you.

why would the itinerant ever have "eaten" anything - much less if they became "alive again" - what need would they have for eating an innocent being ...

tell all, who might be rabid if not a christian ... asking for a friend.

 

[JAG]

I've read the bible cover to cover more than once.

I don't see how ascribing something to a god simply because we may not understand the how of it is valid reasoning.

My dog will never understand prime numbers because her brain is physically unable to perform the thought processes necessary. It's not then unreasonable to think there are some things in the universe that we will never understand because we are also incapable of the thought processes required for comprehension.

I see no reason to claim a god is responsible simply because we cannot understand something.

The New Testament says that the Lord Jesus gives eternal life
to all those that He wants to have it. The New Testament says
that no man can come to the Lord Jesus unless the Father draws
him. The New Testament clearly teaches that there only 2 groups
of humans (1) those that belong to the Lord Jesus His sheep
and (2) those that don't. As things stand now, its clear which
group you're in. Also you seem satisfied to remain where you are.
John 3:16 offers you a clear choice:
(A) believe in Jesus and get eternal Life
(B) refuse to believe and perish
Enjoy your relatively soon to end earthly life, for if
you remain where you are, that's all you'll ever have.

Gehenna is either a place or a condition ~ or I guess it could
be both a place and a condition. Anyway without you
experiencing John 3:3, you will perish. And as you
experience the perish of John 3:16 you will remember
that it was you that used your Free Will to say no to John 3:16

The Father takes the death of His Son deadly serious. You do not.
But God takes it 100% deadly . . . DEADLY. . .serious. You say NO
to God and His John 3:16 offer. "Our God is a consuming fire."
That's in Hebrews 12
And "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
when you refuse to accept the sacrifice that the Lord Jesus paid
for your sins on The Cross. Now you will pay for them With death.
Romans 6:23 and John 3:16's perish

JAG


``

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The so-called "scientists" have never been able to
explain this.

Nonsense. The phenomena of hallucinations, dreams, and false memories are well known. Lies, too.

 

[BreezeWood]

The New Testament says that the Lord Jesus gives eternal life
to all those that He wants to have it. The New Testament says
that no man can come to the Lord Jesus unless the Father draws
him. The New Testament clearly teaches that there only 2 groups
of humans (1) those that belong to the Lord Jesus His sheep
and (2) those that don't. As things stand now, its clear which
group you're in. Also you seem satisfied to remain where you are.
John 3:16 offers you a clear choice:
(A) believe in Jesus and get eternal Life
(B) refuse to believe and perish
Enjoy your relatively soon to end earthly life, for if
you remain where you are, that's all you'll ever have.

Gehenna is either a place or a condition ~ or I guess it could
be both a place and a condition. Anyway without you
experiencing John 3:3, you will perish. And as you
experience the perish of John 3:16 you will remember
that it was you that used your Free Will to say no to John 3:16

The Father takes the death of His Son deadly serious. You do not.
But God takes it 100% deadly . . . DEADLY. . .serious. You say NO
to God and His John 3:16 offer. "Our God is a consuming fire."
That's in Hebrews 12
And "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
when you refuse to accept the sacrifice that the Lord Jesus paid
for your sins on The Cross. Now you will pay for them With death.
Romans 6:23 and John 3:16's perish

JAG


``

are you aware there is not one word written by the 1st century, central character you refer to written by them and included in your 4th century book ... and without your book your entire religion would no longer exist.

not to mention their role was and is an affirmation of the prescribed religion of antiquity, liberation theology against sin for admission to the Everlasting, spoken not read and passed down since the first gift of life on Earth and followed since that time to the present. no book required. nor written.

 

[Blues Man]

The New Testament says that the Lord Jesus gives eternal life
to all those that He wants to have it. The New Testament says
that no man can come to the Lord Jesus unless the Father draws
him. The New Testament clearly teaches that there only 2 groups
of humans (1) those that belong to the Lord Jesus His sheep
and (2) those that don't. As things stand now, its clear which
group you're in. Also you seem satisfied to remain where you are.
John 3:16 offers you a clear choice:
(A) believe in Jesus and get eternal Life
(B) refuse to believe and perish
Enjoy your relatively soon to end earthly life, for if
you remain where you are, that's all you'll ever have.

Gehenna is either a place or a condition ~ or I guess it could
be both a place and a condition. Anyway without you
experiencing John 3:3, you will perish. And as you
experience the perish of John 3:16 you will remember
that it was you that used your Free Will to say no to John 3:16

The Father takes the death of His Son deadly serious. You do not.
But God takes it 100% deadly . . . DEADLY. . .serious. You say NO
to God and His John 3:16 offer. "Our God is a consuming fire."
That's in Hebrews 12
And "it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God"
when you refuse to accept the sacrifice that the Lord Jesus paid
for your sins on The Cross. Now you will pay for them With death.
Romans 6:23 and John 3:16's perish

JAG


``

You first have to believe that the bible is a divine work.

I don't think it is

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sorry dude, there is no "choice".

 

[JAG]

You first have to believe that the bible is a divine work.

I don't think it is

You will be judged (John 3:16's perish) based on how you responded to the
light you did have, which in your case may be only God's creation (Nature)

The New Testament says clearly that un-regenerated men deliberately
suppress that knowledge.

You will say you do not. The New Testament says you do. Its in Romans 1
(See Romans 1:19) but read the entire chapter too.

What does all that mean? It means that when you look at the earth and at
the heavens you KNOW that it was created by an Intelligent Designer and you
KNOW that you have a duty to Him. But you suppress that knowledge.

And why would you do that?

Because unbelief is, at bottom, the decision of the human will, to remain their
own God.

Why do you want to remain your own God?

Because you know very well that if you became a Christian that the God
of the Bible asks you to submit your will to His will. "Not my will, but Thy will
be done" said the Lord Jesus in the Garden before His crucifixion.

The price of eternal life is you being to willing to submit your will to the will
of God.

No one gets into Heaven while demanding the right to do what he wants to
do in opposition to the laws of God.

If it ends up where you finally at last refuse to submit your will to His will, then
you will experience the perish of John 3:16.

The command to have "faith in God" is at bottom a simple test. A simple test to
determine who will be God, will it be you? Or will it be the God that created you?

If you choose it will be you, then you will experience the perish of John 3:16.

If you decide to submit your will to His will, then you will experience the eternal
life of John 3:16.

By the way, once you make the decision to submit your will to His will, you suddenly
discover to your surprise that you're dealing with a Heavenly Father that loves you
and that has great respect for your will and your individuality and who will never ask
you to do anything that is not in your long term best interest and that in 100% of the
cases when you may not agree, at the time, that it was in your best interest, you will
always later on, see that it WAS in your best interest and you will be glad your Father
loved you enough to ask you to do it.

Best Regards.

JAG

``

 

[Blues Man]

You will be judged (John 3:16's perish) based on how you responded to the
light you did have, which in your case may be only God's creation (Nature)

The New Testament says clearly that un-regenerated men deliberately
suppress that knowledge.

You will say you do not. The New Testament says you do. Its in Romans 1
(See Romans 1:19) but read the entire chapter too.

What does all that mean? It means that when you look at the earth and at
the heavens you KNOW that it was created by an Intelligent Designer and you
KNOW that you have a duty to Him. But you suppress that knowledge.

And why would you do that?

Because unbelief is, at bottom, the decision of the human will, to remain their
own God.

Why do you want to remain your own God?

Because you know very well that if you became a Christian that the God
of the Bible asks you to submit your will to His will. "Not my will, but Thy will
be done" said the Lord Jesus in the Garden before His crucifixion.

The price of eternal life is you being to willing to submit your will to the will
of God.

No one gets into Heaven while demanding the right to do what he wants to
do in opposition to the laws of God.

If it ends up where you finally at last refuse to submit your will to His will, then
you will experience the perish of John 3:16.

The command to have "faith in God" is at bottom a simple test. A simple test to
determine who will be God, will it be you? Or will it be the God that created you?

If you choose it will be you, then you will experience the perish of John 3:16.

If you decide to submit your will to His will, then you will experience the eternal
life of John 3:16.

By the way, once you make the decision to submit your will to His will, you suddenly
discover to your surprise that you're dealing with a Heavenly Father that loves you
and that has great respect for your will and your individuality and who will never ask
you to do anything that is not in your long term best interest and that in 100% of the
cases when you may not agree, at the time, that it was in your best interest, you will
always later on, see that it WAS in your best interest and you will be glad your Father
loved you enough to ask you to do it.

Best Regards.

JAG

``

I know no such thing.

And once again you are quoting a book that was written by men not gods.

 

[Clyde 154]

I once had a relative that preached that same stuff. He belonged
to the Church Of Christ and he and his wife would come to see us
and they'd explain (like you did) why all ,of US were going to Hell
and all of THEM were going to Heaven. And my family had dedicated
Christians in it that had been Christians for decades ~ "Sorry, but you
are gonna have to go to Hell" cause you were either "sprinkled" or
you "got baptized for the wrong reason."

That's right! All my family were immersed in water. BUT . . . don't you see,
we were immersed in water FOR THE WRONG REASONS ~ and so alas
we had to go to Hell.

But not to worry! The world has room for religious fanatics. There is a place
at the global table for just about anything under the sun.

It appears, from glancing at the news head lines, that there is
always going to be "the other view" on just about everything.

One could, I guess, find at least one (1) "philosopher" that would
make an argument for everything on The List Of The Absurd, eg
Jeffery Dahmer, in a sense, argued in support of cannibalism.

I've read serious articles on the nutritional value of eating yard
dirt.

There are those who argue in favor of Bestiality.

And in favor of necrophilia.

(Shudder)

Hitler had intellectuals arguing in favor of ideological Nazism.

Man is a warrior species and WAR will play on out until
Christendom finally Christianizes the world as per
Matthew 28:16-20 How long will this take? Mega-millenniums.
But it will get done ~ Revelation 21:3-5 says it will get done.

Until that happens, "Only the dead have seen an end to war."

Best Regards,

JAG

PS
The Power of The Cross.
The Power of The Resurrection.
The Power of The Exaltation (Jesus being now seated at the right hand
of the Sovereign God). . . wins The War For The World.

________

Bob Christian: You're going to Hell.
Tom Christian: No I'm going to Heaven and YOU are going to Hell.
Bob Christian: No I'm going to Heaven and YOU are going to Hell.
etc etc etc


[]


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Are you finished with your "Strawman" argument? All those words and yet you did not present any evidence that Christian Doctrine should not be taken from the content of the Holy Scriptures. Then after erecting a Strawman that involves everything from Hitler to unjustified judgement you had no problem in promoting Catholic Dogma while rejecting the actual content of the Holy Scriptures in an attempt to justify your personal preference of religions.

Lets look at the facts: The Catholic church has maintained for centuries that God's Word is transmitted not only through the words recorded in scripture via the apostles and disciples of Christ but also through the self proclaimed Authority of the Catholic hierarchy, specifically through the Papacy and its supporting cast of bishops etc.,. But there are those who are unconvinced of any right of man to add unto the words of the Holy Scriptures void of any support via signs and wonders...i.e., miraculous events that confirm the word of God.

The Bible continues to this day to be the only OBJECTIVE source of Christian Doctrine that can be observed, reproduced with consistency. The same prerequisites found in a search for FACTS. There has been no confirmed NEW REVELATIONS from God since the 1st century, just as claimed in scriptures, ".....the faith has been delivered but once by the saints" -- Jude 3

What choice would you bet your soul on? The actual words found in scripture or the extra WORDS not found in scripture but dogmatically promoted as truth by MAN MADE TRADITION VOID OF ANY CONFORMATION WHATSOEVER?

Personally I prefer to LOOK for and EXAMINE for myself what is found promoted as Christian Doctrine, and that is only possible through the practice of Sola Scriptura adherence. One can document a doctrine when its found in scripture........but how does one even calibrate a doctrine for truth where the only source is PAPAL decree? What? Is the POPE on the inside track to heaven......is he the self professed and only source of offering prayer to God? That's not what is found in scripture.....scriptures inform us that we need no go between to request prayer on our behalf........we, each Christian is a member of a Royal Priesthood with direct access to Christ Jesus, who acts as our one and only Chief Priest in standing as our advocate, standing between our sins and God. (1 Peter 2:9, 1 John 2:9)

Conclusion: That is the exact reason you attempted to mount a STRAW MAN argument (one dog is mad.....so all dogs must be put to death?) You presented examples of individuals and doctrine that are not to be found to exist in scriptures as some sort of evidence against the actual content of the Holy Scriptures that are used for Judging Christians and Non Christian alike?

Example: "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words; has one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken; the same shall judge him on the last day." -- John 12:48

Why strictly use doctrine found in scripture? "ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD (indicating that it is/was confirmed by signs and wonders as was the purpose of signs and wonders -- Mark 16:17-20); and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be PERFECT (Greek, whole/complete), throughly furnished unto ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Question? Just how can any papal decree add unto that which is PERFECT..i.e., already complete? There is no argument possible if you simply accept the Holy Scriptures as TRUTH. In order to support any Doctrine other than Christian you must ignore the words of the Holy Scriptures...as ALL SCRIPTURE (not picked over and personally chosen scripture) but......ALL SCRIPTURE must be considered in order to find TRUTH.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Why I’m a Atheist.

I've been a RC all my life till up to 10 years ago. Some say I was strong into my faith. I studied the bible, extra circular stuff, and I read everything I could get my hands on. Way more since they have come out with the internet. I really miss having my best friend, its not what I wanted or expected when I started investigating. Do you know what over the years have got me, the end of faith, it was a long process, do you understand what losing you best friend does to you?? I assume you don't, you have your best friend.

I now longer do, but I found truth, sometimes the truth is not easy. I'm a full fledge atheist now. I never started out by being an atheist, in my late 40's I become one.

I can't go back, once you find out the truth. I don't expect you to be, but I am sick of those who are anti-abortion, or anti-gay or anti trans. We all should live being free, if you don't hurt one another. Laws are there for reason.

How do you know it's the truth and not just your truth?

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

You Who Choose Permanent Death. Why Do You Do That?
By JAG
September 30, 2021

Death takes away all your enjoyments, for example eating
good tasting food.

You're now alive and you enjoy good tasting food. Why you
wanna give that up? You ever ate a meal and said, "Wow,
that was very good. I really enjoyed that. That was truly
good tasting food." You don't want to forever say goodbye
to that. You want to keep on saying that, after meals, forever
and ever.

But in order to forever keep on saying that after meals you
must have the gift of Eternal Life. The Lord Jesus made a
way for you to forever keep on enjoying eating good tasting
foods ~ John 3:16's "eternal life." (Yes we will eat foods in
Heaven ~ keep on reading.)

For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only
Son that whoever believes in Him shall never cease eating
good tasting food but will continue to enjoy good tasting food
forever and ever. After your present physical body dies, you
can still live on and on, to enjoy your favorite foods galore.

Jesus ate food in His resurrection body and so can you.

"When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
And while they still did not believe it because of joy and
amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here
to eat?” They gave him a piece of broiled fish, and he
took it and ate it in their presence." Luke 24:4041

"He [Jesus] was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses
whom God had already chosen — by us who ate and drank
with him after he rose from the dead." Acts 10:40-41

"When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with
fish on it, and some bread. Jesus said to them, “Bring some of
the fish you have just caught.” So Simon Peter climbed back
into the boat and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large
fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12Jesus
said to them, “Come and have breakfast.” None of the disciples
dared ask him, “Who are you?” They knew it was the Lord.
Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the
same with the fish. This was now the third time Jesus
appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead."
John 21:9-15

Thoughts?

[]

They that chose death, are they that call death giving sweet. They will not live with God. Eating will be possible enjoying it. Eating will not be needed to sustain the body. Jesus would have remained in hell had Jesus boasted in who he was, or did anything that Satan wanted Jesus to do. Jesus would have remained dead in the tomb. His body would have gone to dust, even as our body goes to dust.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Are you finished with your "Strawman" argument? All those words and yet you did not present any evidence that Christian Doctrine should not be taken from the content of the Holy Scriptures. Then after erecting a Strawman that involves everything from Hitler to unjustified judgement you had no problem in promoting Catholic Dogma while rejecting the actual content of the Holy Scriptures in an attempt to justify your personal preference of religions.

Lets look at the facts: The Catholic church has maintained for centuries that God's Word is transmitted not only through the words recorded in scripture via the apostles and disciples of Christ but also through the self proclaimed Authority of the Catholic hierarchy, specifically through the Papacy and its supporting cast of bishops etc.,. But there are those who are unconvinced of any right of man to add unto the words of the Holy Scriptures void of any support via signs and wonders...i.e., miraculous events that confirm the word of God.

The Bible continues to this day to be the only OBJECTIVE source of Christian Doctrine that can be observed, reproduced with consistency. The same prerequisites found in a search for FACTS. There has been no confirmed NEW REVELATIONS from God since the 1st century, just as claimed in scriptures, ".....the faith has been delivered but once by the saints" -- Jude 3

What choice would you bet your soul on? The actual words found in scripture or the extra WORDS not found in scripture but dogmatically promoted as truth by MAN MADE TRADITION VOID OF ANY CONFORMATION WHATSOEVER?

Personally I prefer to LOOK for and EXAMINE for myself what is found promoted as Christian Doctrine, and that is only possible through the practice of Sola Scriptura adherence. One can document a doctrine when its found in scripture........but how does one even calibrate a doctrine for truth where the only source is PAPAL decree? What? Is the POPE on the inside track to heaven......is he the self professed and only source of offering prayer to God? That's not what is found in scripture.....scriptures inform us that we need no go between to request prayer on our behalf........we, each Christian is a member of a Royal Priesthood with direct access to Christ Jesus, who acts as our one and only Chief Priest in standing as our advocate, standing between our sins and God. (1 Peter 2:9, 1 John 2:9)

Conclusion: That is the exact reason you attempted to mount a STRAW MAN argument (one dog is mad.....so all dogs must be put to death?) You presented examples of individuals and doctrine that are not to be found to exist in scriptures as some sort of evidence against the actual content of the Holy Scriptures that are used for Judging Christians and Non Christian alike?

Example: "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words; has one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken; the same shall judge him on the last day." -- John 12:48

Why strictly use doctrine found in scripture? "ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD (indicating that it is/was confirmed by signs and wonders as was the purpose of signs and wonders -- Mark 16:17-20); and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be PERFECT (Greek, whole/complete), throughly furnished unto ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Question? Just how can any papal decree add unto that which is PERFECT..i.e., already complete? There is no argument possible if you simply accept the Holy Scriptures as TRUTH. In order to support any Doctrine other than Christian you must ignore the words of the Holy Scriptures...as ALL SCRIPTURE (not picked over and personally chosen scripture) but......ALL SCRIPTURE must be considered in order to find TRUTH.

Hitler did not learn to be the way he was from Jesus. Who then did he learn from? People who have blood in them must not engage in condeming Judgment. The catholic church perverted Holy Scripture. Faith comes when scripture is read. Faith is not this church belief system, or that belief system. The Judging you don't like is the same kind of Judging that Jesus did not engage in when he had blood in him. Jesus wants to see himself in others. Jesus was glad when he saw that, praising them. The church did not see that. I like what you are saying. You see that the catholic church is in error.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Are you finished with your "Strawman" argument? All those words and yet you did not present any evidence that Christian Doctrine should not be taken from the content of the Holy Scriptures. Then after erecting a Strawman that involves everything from Hitler to unjustified judgement you had no problem in promoting Catholic Dogma while rejecting the actual content of the Holy Scriptures in an attempt to justify your personal preference of religions.

Lets look at the facts: The Catholic church has maintained for centuries that God's Word is transmitted not only through the words recorded in scripture via the apostles and disciples of Christ but also through the self proclaimed Authority of the Catholic hierarchy, specifically through the Papacy and its supporting cast of bishops etc.,. But there are those who are unconvinced of any right of man to add unto the words of the Holy Scriptures void of any support via signs and wonders...i.e., miraculous events that confirm the word of God.

The Bible continues to this day to be the only OBJECTIVE source of Christian Doctrine that can be observed, reproduced with consistency. The same prerequisites found in a search for FACTS. There has been no confirmed NEW REVELATIONS from God since the 1st century, just as claimed in scriptures, ".....the faith has been delivered but once by the saints" -- Jude 3

What choice would you bet your soul on? The actual words found in scripture or the extra WORDS not found in scripture but dogmatically promoted as truth by MAN MADE TRADITION VOID OF ANY CONFORMATION WHATSOEVER?

Personally I prefer to LOOK for and EXAMINE for myself what is found promoted as Christian Doctrine, and that is only possible through the practice of Sola Scriptura adherence. One can document a doctrine when its found in scripture........but how does one even calibrate a doctrine for truth where the only source is PAPAL decree? What? Is the POPE on the inside track to heaven......is he the self professed and only source of offering prayer to God? That's not what is found in scripture.....scriptures inform us that we need no go between to request prayer on our behalf........we, each Christian is a member of a Royal Priesthood with direct access to Christ Jesus, who acts as our one and only Chief Priest in standing as our advocate, standing between our sins and God. (1 Peter 2:9, 1 John 2:9)

Conclusion: That is the exact reason you attempted to mount a STRAW MAN argument (one dog is mad.....so all dogs must be put to death?) You presented examples of individuals and doctrine that are not to be found to exist in scriptures as some sort of evidence against the actual content of the Holy Scriptures that are used for Judging Christians and Non Christian alike?

Example: "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words; has one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken; the same shall judge him on the last day." -- John 12:48

Why strictly use doctrine found in scripture? "ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD (indicating that it is/was confirmed by signs and wonders as was the purpose of signs and wonders -- Mark 16:17-20); and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be PERFECT (Greek, whole/complete), throughly furnished unto ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Question? Just how can any papal decree add unto that which is PERFECT..i.e., already complete? There is no argument possible if you simply accept the Holy Scriptures as TRUTH. In order to support any Doctrine other than Christian you must ignore the words of the Holy Scriptures...as ALL SCRIPTURE (not picked over and personally chosen scripture) but......ALL SCRIPTURE must be considered in order to find TRUTH.

How fortunate for us. God created the universe, heaven and hell just for we who were created in his image. We must be seriously special and amazing. Either that or we're just arrogant as fuck.

Heaven needs to be in our mind. Hell is not eternal torment. The soul would never die. The soul that sins it shall die. Eternal torment is saying what the possessed serpent said in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Are you finished with your "Strawman" argument? All those words and yet you did not present any evidence that Christian Doctrine should not be taken from the content of the Holy Scriptures. Then after erecting a Strawman that involves everything from Hitler to unjustified judgement you had no problem in promoting Catholic Dogma while rejecting the actual content of the Holy Scriptures in an attempt to justify your personal preference of religions.

Lets look at the facts: The Catholic church has maintained for centuries that God's Word is transmitted not only through the words recorded in scripture via the apostles and disciples of Christ but also through the self proclaimed Authority of the Catholic hierarchy, specifically through the Papacy and its supporting cast of bishops etc.,. But there are those who are unconvinced of any right of man to add unto the words of the Holy Scriptures void of any support via signs and wonders...i.e., miraculous events that confirm the word of God.

The Bible continues to this day to be the only OBJECTIVE source of Christian Doctrine that can be observed, reproduced with consistency. The same prerequisites found in a search for FACTS. There has been no confirmed NEW REVELATIONS from God since the 1st century, just as claimed in scriptures, ".....the faith has been delivered but once by the saints" -- Jude 3

What choice would you bet your soul on? The actual words found in scripture or the extra WORDS not found in scripture but dogmatically promoted as truth by MAN MADE TRADITION VOID OF ANY CONFORMATION WHATSOEVER?

Personally I prefer to LOOK for and EXAMINE for myself what is found promoted as Christian Doctrine, and that is only possible through the practice of Sola Scriptura adherence. One can document a doctrine when its found in scripture........but how does one even calibrate a doctrine for truth where the only source is PAPAL decree? What? Is the POPE on the inside track to heaven......is he the self professed and only source of offering prayer to God? That's not what is found in scripture.....scriptures inform us that we need no go between to request prayer on our behalf........we, each Christian is a member of a Royal Priesthood with direct access to Christ Jesus, who acts as our one and only Chief Priest in standing as our advocate, standing between our sins and God. (1 Peter 2:9, 1 John 2:9)

Conclusion: That is the exact reason you attempted to mount a STRAW MAN argument (one dog is mad.....so all dogs must be put to death?) You presented examples of individuals and doctrine that are not to be found to exist in scriptures as some sort of evidence against the actual content of the Holy Scriptures that are used for Judging Christians and Non Christian alike?

Example: "He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words; has one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken; the same shall judge him on the last day." -- John 12:48

Why strictly use doctrine found in scripture? "ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD (indicating that it is/was confirmed by signs and wonders as was the purpose of signs and wonders -- Mark 16:17-20); and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness; that the man of God may be PERFECT (Greek, whole/complete), throughly furnished unto ALL GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

Question? Just how can any papal decree add unto that which is PERFECT..i.e., already complete? There is no argument possible if you simply accept the Holy Scriptures as TRUTH. In order to support any Doctrine other than Christian you must ignore the words of the Holy Scriptures...as ALL SCRIPTURE (not picked over and personally chosen scripture) but......ALL SCRIPTURE must be considered in order to find TRUTH.

Truth will not be in a person when they say you are associated with that sexuality name, die. People who say that need to be born again, even as Christs enemies who said die, to Jesus. The church teaching kill, made Nazism, seeing kill as a sweet thing. Hitler adopted the same thing. Monkey see, Monkey do. God will melt the elements with fervent heat to the lowest hell, or lowest parts in the earth. The entire earth is affected by sin. Judge people even as Jesus judged people, when he had blood in him.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

Actually there is.

at the moment of death there is a cascade of neuro-chemicals released in the brain which for lack of a better word results in something akin to an acid trip.

Our own experiences and beliefs and memories are all part of this so if you grow up listening and believing that you will see a god when you die there is a very good chance that your own personal death trip will involve a god

Heaven is Christs mind in us caring about others. They will judge as to who loves others more than another, even as Peter judged ,judging righty, as to who loved the forgiver of debts, more than another person. Call out for Jesus when your soul leaves your body. Don't look at your own body, like Lots wife, who looked at Sodom. Our body is not what is important. Jesus is. Our body is nothing. Jesus needs to be in your body, before you die. He is the one who saves. Satan has a fake heaven made to fool the mind. That fake heaven is colored by the gems that cover Satan's body. Don't let that being fool you. You will be looking at a part of Satan's prison.1 Peter 3:19 - 20, KJV.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

I live in reality.

People who lie about the capital riot that was not a riot, and lie about cartoon characters, and degrade them will do the same thing to Trump. What else can people expect? They will lie saying they won the election. They will lie saying there was no fraud.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

You Can Enjoy Eating Good Tasting Foods Forever and
Ever. Thank you, Lord Jesus.
"Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,
that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” For God so loved the world that
he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands
condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."
John 3:14-18

JAG

There will not be any peperoni in God's kingdom. Meats for the belly will not exist.
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[Iamartiewhitefox]

In heaven there is no beer

Jesus will not drink of the fruit of the vine untill he drinks it new with the saved. That is grape juice.