Yes or no? NATO PTOVOKED this war.

[eagle1462010]

So you believe that nothing Zelensky said or did would prevent the invasion?

Zelensky is Not NATO

 

[MisterBeale]

The global elites are all playing with us. We are their puppets. Including the folks in Ukraine, us. . . Putin, all of it. Of course there is no excuse for invasion, but, remember when the Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba? Would there have been an excuse for invasion or war if the Soviet Union hadn't removed them?

​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault​

The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault

The liberal delusions that provoked Putin.

www.foreignaffairs.com

US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene​

US gov't knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene - Geopolitical Economy Report

US Ambassador William Burns, now CIA director, admitted in 2008 embassy cable that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Russia's security "redlines" and could lead to violence which would force Moscow to intervene.

multipolarista.com

". . . Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.. . .

Burns’ warnings came true just a few years later.. . ."

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

The CIA knew what it was doing. . . it wanted war, it was trying to trigger one, and it got one.

 

[justoffal]

The global elites are all playing with us. We are their puppets. Including the folks in Ukraine, us. . . Putin, all of it. Of course there is no excuse for invasion, but, remember when the Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba? Would there have been an excuse for invasion or war if the Soviet Union hadn't removed them?

​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault​

The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault

The liberal delusions that provoked Putin.

www.foreignaffairs.com

US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene​

US gov't knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene - Geopolitical Economy Report

US Ambassador William Burns, now CIA director, admitted in 2008 embassy cable that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Russia's security "redlines" and could lead to violence which would force Moscow to intervene.

multipolarista.com

". . . Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.. . .

Burns’ warnings came true just a few years later.. . ."

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

The CIA knew what it was doing. . . it wanted war, it was trying to trigger one, and it got one.

We absolutely would have stormed the place...

JO

 

[justoffal]

The global elites are all playing with us. We are their puppets. Including the folks in Ukraine, us. . . Putin, all of it. Of course there is no excuse for invasion, but, remember when the Soviet Union put missiles in Cuba? Would there have been an excuse for invasion or war if the Soviet Union hadn't removed them?

​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault​

The Liberal Delusions That Provoked Putin​

Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault

The liberal delusions that provoked Putin.

www.foreignaffairs.com

US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene​

US gov't knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene - Geopolitical Economy Report

US Ambassador William Burns, now CIA director, admitted in 2008 embassy cable that NATO expansion to Ukraine crosses Russia's security "redlines" and could lead to violence which would force Moscow to intervene.

multipolarista.com

". . . Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.. . .

Burns’ warnings came true just a few years later.. . ."

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

The CIA knew what it was doing. . . it wanted war, it was trying to trigger one, and it got one.

So Putin sees this as a civil war

 

[MisterBeale]

Do you realize just who and what the world is dealing with now?

Some say the NWO is working out of Switzerland.


Look at the world leaders attending this "RITUAL'. I'd like to see anyone here explain this goulash meeting.
"There are things going on that we don't know".

Yeah, I thought that video was really old. I saw that a long, long time ago. They had that ceremony before they put Trump in office.

 

[MisterBeale]

So Putin sees this as a civil war

You can read his own words for yourself.

Every Russian Soldier Is Required to Read This 2021 Putin Article on Ukraine​

"We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia"​

Editor’s note: Published in July 2021, and made mandatory reading for the Russian military just days later. If Moscow goes to war in the coming months you can take this text as its “Why We Fight”. Some select quotes:

— “The republics that were founders of the Union, having denounced the 1922 Union Treaty, must return to the boundaries they had had before joining the Soviet Union.”

— “But the fact is that the situation in Ukraine today is completely different because it involves a forced change of identity. And the most despicable thing is that the Russians in Ukraine are being forced not only to deny their roots, generations of their ancestors but also to believe that Russia is their enemy.”

— “The path of forced assimilation, the formation of an ethnically pure Ukrainian state, aggressive towards Russia, is comparable in its consequences to the use of weapons of mass destruction against us.”

— “We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia”

— “Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.”

Every Russian Soldier Is Required to Read This 2021 Putin Article on Ukraine

"We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia"

anti-empire.com

 

[whoisit]

Yeah, I thought that video was really old. I saw that a long, long time ago. They had that ceremony before they put Trump in office.

Not the point ,point is those gouls are still alive,lol and still ruling the world we live in.

 

[Oddball]

Why would it? Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia are already members of NATO right next to Russia and the U.S. doesn't deploy nuclear weapons there.

Maybe enough is enough.

 

[Dayton3]

You can read his own words for yourself.

Every Russian Soldier Is Required to Read This 2021 Putin Article on Ukraine​

"We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia"​

Editor’s note: Published in July 2021, and made mandatory reading for the Russian military just days later. If Moscow goes to war in the coming months you can take this text as its “Why We Fight”. Some select quotes:

— “The republics that were founders of the Union, having denounced the 1922 Union Treaty, must return to the boundaries they had had before joining the Soviet Union.”

— “But the fact is that the situation in Ukraine today is completely different because it involves a forced change of identity. And the most despicable thing is that the Russians in Ukraine are being forced not only to deny their roots, generations of their ancestors but also to believe that Russia is their enemy.”

— “The path of forced assimilation, the formation of an ethnically pure Ukrainian state, aggressive towards Russia, is comparable in its consequences to the use of weapons of mass destruction against us.”

— “We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia”

— “Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.”

Every Russian Soldier Is Required to Read This 2021 Putin Article on Ukraine

"We will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia"

anti-empire.com

A perfect argument for the permanent eradication of the nation of Russia

 

[MisterBeale]

Maybe enough is enough.

 

[peacefan]

Here is a well written and balanced article on the subject. No white hats here people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

Jo

No. Russia lost it's right to dictate it's will to these people during the decades after WW2.

*that* is the natural order of things.

 

[MisterBeale]

A perfect argument for the permanent eradication of the nation of Russia

 

[José]

Meathead said:
It would be goofy of me to try to explain this to you. One can only assume a certain amount of context in conversations between adults.

Give the poor guy some credit, Meathead.

Posters with abysmal intellectual levels still provide excellent comic relief.

 

[Dalia]

Trudeau: We will not buy any more Russian Oil!
Observers: Um....you haven't bought Russian oil for the past seven years....wtf are you talking about doofus?

Trudeau is for sure one those looney tunes.

 

[Dayton3]

I'm not proposing genocide for the Russian people.

 

[José]

JohnDB said:
This whole notion of "NATO expansion" being a threat to Russia is a bad piece of rhetoric at best.

There's a huge difference between defensive weapons and offensive weaponry. NATO is all about defensive weapons...not offensive.

Tell this to Iraq, Lybia, Serbia and Somalia.

Those countries have a lot to say about Nato's "defensive nature".

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm not proposing genocide for the Russian people.

How else do you intend to "eradicate," an entire nation?

We have nations of native Americans that we have attempted to do that to. . . that still exist. And there are a lot of Russians. Obviously, you intend to unleash the nukes, right?

Civilization and humanity obviously don't mean as much to you as your hatred for the Ruskies.

ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine​

ROBERT PARRY: Playing Nuclear Chicken Over Ukraine

With U.S.-Russia tension boiling over after Russia entered Ukraine's 8-year civil war and on Sunday put its nuclear arsenal on alert, we reprint this dire warning from Robert Parry in March 2015. A version of this article first appeared on March 2, 2015. By Robert Parry Special to Consor

consortiumnews.com

 

[José]

justoffal said:
Switzerland doesn't have a diametrically opposed governing philosophy to the NATO Nations... Russia does.

The russian national character is obviously different but here's a better answer to the hilarious point about Switzerland and Russia:

During the 90's, Russia, just like Switzerland , did not represent any threat to her neighbors so NATO expansion toward its borders was absolutely reckless, absurd and unjustifiable.

 

[Dayton3]

How else do you intend to "eradicate," an entire nation?

Do to Russia what was done to Germany. Conquer, occupy and divide.... permanently.

Destroy all their WMDs. Limit their militaries to the bare minimal necessary to manage their borders.

Leave them with nothing but memories. Even those will fade in time.

Do to Russia what was done to Germany. Conquer, occupy and divide.... permanently.

 

[Dayton3]

Tell this to Iraq, Lybia, Serbia and Somalia.

Those countries have a lot to say about Nato's "defensive nature".

1) NATO had nothing to do with Iraq or Somalia.
2) Serbia was committing horrendous human rights abuses.