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Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
 
Doc7505 said:

Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
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A. the above is a piece of jingoistic nonsense.

B. NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization. They are under no obligation to help with tRump's agression.
 
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Crepitus said:
A. the above is a piece on jingoistic nonsense.

B. NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization. They are under no obligation to help with tRump's agression.
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And just who is NATO defending against?.....Hell's afire, the former Eastern Block countries could easily whip the Russians.

NATO's time has come and gone. As far as I am concerned the US needs to withdraw from NATO and concentrate on the Asian-Pacific.
 
Manonthestreet said:
Probably couldn't if they wanted too.
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1srelluc said:
And just who is NATO defending against?.....Hell's afire, the former Eastern Block countries could easily whip the Russians.

NATO's time has come and gone. As far as I am concerned the US needs to withdraw from NATO and concentrate on the Asian-Pacific.
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Both of you are deflecting instead of addressing the point.
 
Crepitus said:
Both of you are deflecting instead of addressing the point.
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What "point" were you trying to make? :dunno:

You were talking about a defensive org., fine and I pointed out there is no further need for US participation in NATO as there is nothing in the EU for the US to defend against.

Better that mutual assistance treaties be drawn up with what the US determines to be reliable EU allies and IMHO that would be the former Eastern Block countries other than the former East Germany. Maybe Finland.

The Western EU can die on the vine for all I care about them.....Given they are turning Muslim deserves has everything to do with it.
 
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Doc7505 said:

Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
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The hard truth that Americans need to understand, those who you believed for decades shared the same values as you really did not. It was not until they had a cheaper manufacturing option in China that they felt comfortable enough to just expose their true ideology.

You have to deal with Japan, try and get S Korea back, Israel, Central and S America, force a vote in Greenland, pick out pockets of European nations who believe in Judeo-Christian values.

They need to be your primary allies as they will not sell out to China to forsake America.

I expect that in the next few years the U.S will abandon those who pretended they were allies. I am sure intel sharing is already down significantly with the Five Eyes and rightfully so.
 
Crepitus said:
A. the above is a piece of jingoistic nonsense.

B. NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization. They are under no obligation to help with tRump's agression.
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NATO has often been described as a defensive alliance, but its history of military interventions in places like Yugoslavia, Libya, and Afghanistan raises questions about its true nature, suggesting it also acts as an interventionist force. Critics argue that these actions indicate NATO's role extends beyond mere defense, contributing to global instability instead.
 
These are epic times.

If the NATO “alliance” manages to fracture, it is yet another bit of evidence that having nations with borders makes good sense.

Our experience, here in America. Is pretty unique. There was a “union” of republics when Russia was the Soviet Union. But it didn’t last all that long, for some clear reasons.

We almost split apart back in the early 1860’s. It seems remarkable that we got it all back together.

Which other lands succeeded in such unification of separate sovereign states?
 
Doc7505 said:

Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
Click to expand...


Interesting that people like you are counting , Not Winning , as something to be pleased about .
We appreciate that as serial losers for something like 80 years it is disheartening for you to being constantly ridiculed .

But with more humility and more attention to practise sessions there is reason for hope .
Try and get a better class of person to get involved .
And eat more fruit , vegetables and fibre .
But above all , try and ignore the Ridicule
 
Doc7505 said:

Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
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Starmer is afraid of the Muslim voting block
 
Doc7505 said:
Starmer may have just broken NATO
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NATO is a defence agreement, under which NATO has defended the US when it was 'attacked'.

NATO is not a war of choice agreement. Especially not with the non-NATO genocidal Israelis involved in a war with no clear objectives.

The abandonment of America's participation in NATO is a cheap price for Europe to pay to avoid this latest US clusterfuck in the ME.
 
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But I think NATO is deader than Chump's sense of loyalty.

The US may have a bit of trouble selling its debt.

How sad. Never mind.
 
Doc7505 said:

Starmer may have just broken NATO​

European inaction in the face of the Iranian crisis proves what Americans have always feared of their fair-weather allies​
23 Mar 2026 ~~ By Nile Gardiner

The war in Iran has emphatically demonstrated American military might on the world stage. There is only one superpower in the world today, and it isn’t headquartered in Moscow, Beijing or London. Alongside Israel, the United States has decimated much of Iran’s defences, air force, navy, ballistic missile sites, nuclear infrastructure, and its political leadership. All in the space of just three weeks.
The Iran war has also sharply exposed simmering deep-seated tensions in the transatlantic alliance, as well as the open cowardice, petulance and weakness of European leaders, including among its increasingly diminished major powers – principally the UK, France and Germany, as well as the European Union, representing 27 member states.
~Snip~
The anger in Washington at Nato allies lies far beyond the White House and the Executive Branch. Members of Congress have been queuing up to express their disappointment in the failure of European allies to heed the President’s call to join the United States in ensuring the safe passage of international shipping through the vital Strait of Hormuz.
~Snip~
The US President, a great admirer of Britain’s heroic role in World War II, has been absolutely right in declaring that Keir Starmer is “no Winston Churchill.” Many Americans I have spoken to have warm memories of the partnership between my former boss, Margaret Thatcher, and her great friend Ronald Reagan. They simply cannot understand how the UK has ended up today with a spineless socialist without a backbone or a moral compass on the world stage. With good reason they fear for the future of Britain and its people.
In Berlin, Chancellor Merz’s s government, in a direct rebuke to US requests for support, has declared that “this war has nothing to do with Nato. It is not Nato’s war.” In Brussels, the EU’s grandstanding foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, has called on the US and Israel to end the war against the Iranian regime “so that everybody saves face.” And France’s Emmanuel Macron has condemned US strikes on Iran as “outside international law.”
These are the same European voices that have prodded the United States to do more in support of Ukraine, a non-Nato member in Europe’s own backyard, even with large-scale US military assistance worth hundreds of billions of dollars in the face of Putin’s brutal invasion.
~Snip~
Europe’s arrogant ruling elites are happy to live under the vast security umbrella the United States provides in Europe, with more than 80,000 American troops still on the ground defending Europe for over 80 years since the end of World War II. But today’s European leaders are not even willing to lift a finger to help the US as it confronts a monstrously dangerous Islamist dictatorship in the Middle East – one that has openly threatened to wipe Israel off the map in a nuclear holocaust.
European inaction in support of the United States and Israel over Iran will likely be hugely damaging to both the transatlantic partnership and the Nato alliance. It will weaken trust in the transatlantic alliance in the United States, and further underscore Europe and the UK’s military impotence, its lack of moral clarity, and its refusal to stand up to barbarism and evil. It is a dark and sad day for Europe when its leaders cannot bring themselves to send even a single warship or fighter jet to support the United States, which has shed so much blood in the defence of European nations.


Commentary:
While NATO at inception was a laudable idea, its current iteration has morphed. To the member nations, NATO serves as a protective umbrella which while costing them little, it facilitates the growth of their overly-generous welfare systems. The byproduct of course is to make our own homegrown leftists screech in anger that the US doesn’t also provide similar giveaways, along with paying to protect the whole of NATO.
When the Hammer and Sickle flag came down ,for the last time, from the Kremlin , on Christmas day 1991, that is when the United States should have left NATO. The damn fool politicians in Europe sold out their own people and invited in invaders. Europe use to crusade against the same enemy in more patriotic times.
Perhaps it's time to withdraw all the materiel the U.S. has amassed in Europe and then totally withdraw from NATO.
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"I'm totally loathesome. And weak. And easily intimidated by Muslims."
 
cnm said:
NATO is a defence agreement, under which NATO has defended the US when it was 'attacked'.

NATO is not a war of choice agreement. Especially not with the non-NATO genocidal Israelis involved in a war with no clear objectives.

The abandonment of America's participation in NATO is a cheap price for Europe to pay to avoid this latest US clusterfuck in the ME.
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Unlike you, I see the NATO Agreement differently. The U.S. created and has supported NATO paying two thirds the cost well after Europe recovered from WWII.
If you remember that Trump had to badger NATO participants to pay their dues much less increase their percentage.
Now we see that NATO has decided not to be involved with the Med East problem of Iran despite the facts that Iran was developing an inter-continental missile that could reach England and the countries in between and now that the Hormuz Straits are closed it behooves NATO to assist in the clearing and maintenance of a free and open passage of ships.
President Trump has publicly criticized NATO allies for their lack of support during the U.S. military operations against Iran. He described their refusal to assist as a "very foolish mistake." Trump emphasized that while NATO members endorsed U.S. actions in principle, they did not provide tangible support when it was needed.
Since those countries have refused to help there's good cause to remove military bases and materiel from the UK, France, Germany, Poland and Spain
 
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