Starmer may have just broken NATO

[westwall]

NATO is a defence agreement, under which NATO has defended the US when it was 'attacked'.

NATO is not a war of choice agreement. Especially not with the non-NATO genocidal Israelis involved in a war with no clear objectives.

The abandonment of America's participation in NATO is a cheap price for Europe to pay to avoid this latest US clusterfuck in the ME.

Oh? Where, and when?

 

[cnm]

Oh? Where, and when?

When the US squealed and invoked Article 5 of the NATO Charter.

Have you forgotten that already?

 

[westwall]

When the US squealed and invoked Article 5 of the NATO Charter.

Have you forgotten that already?

Where did NATO help us. That was my question. You claimed that NATO "DEFENDED" the USA.

So where did that happen, and when.

 

[Hafar1014]

NATO is a defence agreement, under which NATO has defended the US when it was 'attacked'.

NATO is not a war of choice agreement. Especially not with the non-NATO genocidal Israelis involved in a war with no clear objectives.

The abandonment of America's participation in NATO is a cheap price for Europe to pay to avoid this latest US clusterfuck in the ME.

So you like the ideas that violent religious fanatics can have nuclear weapons?

 

[westwall]

So you like the ideas that violent religious fanatics can have nuclear weapons?

More and more I think these ARE violent religious fanatics, so yeah..I think he does.

 

[Hafar1014]

Starmers problem is England allowed large numbers of Muslims in their country and he is afraid of their votes going against him. They can no longer be depended on to support NATO when any Muslim nation is involved. He is happy to let America take all the risks as he does nothing. Its time to rethink our NATO involvement

 

[westwall]

Starmers problem is England allowed large numbers of Muslims in their country and he is afraid of their votes going against him. They can no longer be depended on to support NATO when any Muslim nation is involved. He is happy to let America take all the risks as he does nothing. Its time to rethink our NATO involvement

Yeah. NATO is no longer worth our money.

 

[luiza]

Starmer Somebody may have just broken NATO​

Ask yourself simple questions :-
Collectively would you ever want Americans as friends ?
Collectively could you ever trust Americans ?
Collectively are they capable of understanding complex matters ?
Collectively would Americans embarrass you socially ?
Have Americans any real collective sense of humour?

End Of .

 

[Deadstick]

A. the above is a piece of jingoistic nonsense.

B. NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization. They are under no obligation to help with tRump's agression.

Defensive organization? that bullshit went out of the window with the 78 day bombing of Yugoslavia, and yes the War Trump started has nothing to do with NATO.

 

[Senior]

On Tuesday, President Donald Trump announced the U.S. and Iran had agreed to a two-week ceasefire in the war that started Feb. 28. As part of the deal, Trump said Iran had agreed to reopen the strait. The strait remains mostly closed after Iran said the ceasefire included a pause on Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, which is still ongoing. Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, who mediated talks between the U.S. and Iran, said that a cessation of hostilities in Lebanon was part of the arrangement. Trump was told Lebanon was included in the agreement, according to CBS News, which reported that the president subsequently reversed himself after a call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

US Officials Say Strait of Hormuz Still Closed; Iran Forgot Where Mines Are Placed

The Strait of Hormuz has not fully reopened because Iran forgot where it laid some of the mines in the

ijr.com

Seems Trump should have acquired Bibi's permission before signing-on to the ceasefire agreement brokered by Pakistan.

 

[Churchill]

Probably couldn't if they wanted too.

Trump's a loose cannon, only dweebs are going take orders from such a clown.

 

[Doc7505]

A. the above is a piece of jingoistic nonsense.

B. NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization. They are under no obligation to help with tRump's agression.

<~~~~~~~~~~>
Then why is Mark Rutte scrambling to hold NATO together?
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has urged European governments to commit to securing the Strait of Hormuz, but most NATO allies, including Britain and France, have refused to join the U.S. blockade, preferring a diplomatic solution after the conflict ends.
The refusal of NATO allies to support the U.S. blockade highlights a significant rift within the alliance. This situation raises concerns about the future of NATO's cohesion, especially as Trump has threatened to withdraw U.S. support if allies do not comply with his demands. The ongoing tensions may lead to a reevaluation of defense strategies among European nations, emphasizing the need for autonomous capabilities independent of U.S. support.
This reflects Trump's opinion and dissatisfaction with European allies, particularly regarding their reluctance to support U.S. military operations.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

US Officials Say Strait of Hormuz Still Closed; Iran Forgot Where Mines Are Placed

The Strait of Hormuz has not fully reopened because Iran forgot where it laid some of the mines in the

ijr.com

Seems Trump should have acquired Bibi's permission before signing-on to the ceasefire agreement brokered by Pakistan.

Israel does have the biggest dog in this fight..

 

[Deadstick]

<~~~~~~~~~~>
Then why is Mark Rutte scrambling to hold NATO together?
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte has urged European governments to commit to securing the Strait of Hormuz, but most NATO allies, including Britain and France, have refused to join the U.S. blockade, preferring a diplomatic solution after the conflict ends.
The refusal of NATO allies to support the U.S. blockade highlights a significant rift within the alliance. This situation raises concerns about the future of NATO's cohesion, especially as Trump has threatened to withdraw U.S. support if allies do not comply with his demands. The ongoing tensions may lead to a reevaluation of defense strategies among European nations, emphasizing the need for autonomous capabilities independent of U.S. support.
This reflects Trump's opinion and dissatisfaction with European allies, particularly regarding their reluctance to support U.S. military operations.

Because this war against Iran is no business of NATO, but we know the business of NATO changes when they want to justify illegal wars, NATO shouldn't even exist.

 

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[lg325]

 

[lg325]

I love this debate.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I love this debate.

She gets better,

 

[Zavulon]

So you like the ideas that violent religious fanatics can have nuclear weapons?

I don't like this idea, but violent religious fanatics in the USA and Israel already have it. We have to deal with reality. And nuclear power can be dettered only by nuclear power.

 

[Hafar1014]

I don't like this idea, but violent religious fanatics in the USA and Israel already have it. We have to deal with reality. And nuclear power can be dettered only by nuclear power.

There is no comparison too the regime in Iran but they do thank you for your support