Would you intervene like Penny did on the subway???

Incorrect, it wasn't murder he wasn't charged with murder let alone convicted. It was a restraint gone wrong.
My bad, it isn't murder because the white man didn't call it murder.
Or maybe they were too scared to react (now you're doing the "what if"..essentially)
Or maybe they didn't feel threatened by him.
Did you see my stance on Floyd? Becaise if you had, it totally undermines your assertion that I wouldn't be defending penny if he HAD intended on killing neely.
Do I need to see it?
Would it be murder if a black person chokes out a white person?
You're damn right it would be and he would be charged with it as well.
Oh? Really? Because the statistics say a white person is far more likely to be the victim of murder or violent assault from a black person than a black person it from a white person...but you don't hear the news talking about all the white people murdered or assaulted by black people. They bury all those stories.
The statistics say that most whites are murdered by someone white and most black folks are murdered by someone black.
Lol, you can't say it can you? If the roles were reversed, if neely was the defender and penny was the raging man, that neely would be wrong for the death of penny...you can't say it can you?
Damn how many times do I need to say it? I said IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED AND NEELY WOULD HAVE CHOKED OUT PENNY SAME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT'S MURDER.
I've never seen you comment..at all...on a black man murdering a white man...
No need to, because the black man will be thrown in jail.
 
My bad, it isn't murder because the white man didn't call it murder.

Not white people...the courts.


Or maybe they didn't feel threatened by him.

Passengers who were in the subway car when homeless man Jordan Neely launched into a maniacal rant described his words as “insanely threatening” — and said they hid and prayed until ex-Marine Daniel Penny stepped in and placed him in a chokehold, according to a new filing seeking to dismiss the controversial criminal case.



Do I need to see it?

If you want to see evidence that I would have not defended penny had he actually set out to murder this guy, yes.


You're damn right it would be and he would be charged with it as well.

Even if that black person was trying to protect people from a deranged white man? Really??


The statistics say that most whites are murdered by someone white and most black folks are murdered by someone black.

but I'm not talking about same race stats, I'm talking about white on black and black on white crimes.

Damn how many times do I need to say it? I said IF THE ROLES WERE REVERSED AND NEELY WOULD HAVE CHOKED OUT PENNY SAME CIRCUMSTANCES THAT'S MURDER.

See, I disagree. In that situation I'd say the same thing. Were penny acting like that and a brave black man stepped in to help, and accidentally killed the white man, I wouldn't be here making excuses and accusing him of murder, I'd be making the same argument.

No need to, because the black man will be thrown in jail.

as would a white man if he intentionally murdered a black man...
 
Could that be because I have seen it too many times in my life?
I am not saying stuff like that doesn't happen. I am just saying you need to look at each case individually. You can't just throw all white guys who killed a black guy in jail for murder, because that's not fair. It's not right. Some of them could be manslaughter.
 
I am not saying stuff like that doesn't happen. I am just saying you need to look at each case individually. You can't just throw all white guys who killed a black guy in jail for murder, because that's not fair. It's not right. Some of them could be manslaughter.
The black kid who stabbed a man to death in the subway just one month after Penny - and then tried to evade the police - didn’t even have to go to trial!

The kid kept stabbing and stabbing way past the point the guy was no longer a threat, until he was dead. THAT was an intentional murder.

And yet? Let off entirely. And why? Because this happened in leftist NY, where the racist prosecutors go easy on black murderers and throw the book at whites guilty, at most, of unintentional manslaughter.
 
The black kid who stabbed a man to death in the subway just one month after Penny - and then tried to evade the police - didn’t even have to go to trial!

The kid kept stabbing and stabbing way past the point the guy was no longer a threat, until he was dead. THAT was an intentional murder.

And yet? Let off entirely. And why? Because this happened in leftist NY, where the racist prosecutors go easy on black murderers and throw the book at whites guilty, at most, of unintentional manslaughter.
Why do you leave out the part where your so called white victim attacked the black man's wife? When was he no longer a threat? You just make excuses for your racism.
 
Not white people...the courts.
Which is usually white folks.
Where did they hide? Under the seat.
If you want to see evidence that I would have not defended penny had he actually set out to murder this guy, yes.
How do you know what he set out to do?
Even if that black person was trying to protect people from a deranged white man? Really??
Hell yea.
but I'm not talking about same race stats, I'm talking about white on black and black on white crimes.
We could never catch up to the number of white men who have murdered black folks and got away Scott free.
See, I disagree. In that situation I'd say the same thing. Were penny acting like that and a brave black man stepped in to help, and accidentally killed the white man, I wouldn't be here making excuses and accusing him of murder, I'd be making the same argument.
How in the hell do you accidentally kill someone when you choke them to death.
as would a white man if he intentionally murdered a black man...
The history of America says different.
 
Which is usually white folks.

Are you suggesting white people can't be fair? Lol, never mind, I already know your answer.


Where did they hide? Under the seat.

You'd have to consult the article. My guess they were hiding behind other passengers? I don't know..ask the writer. That wasn't relevant to my point.


How do you know what he set out to do?

How do you?

Hell yea.

Not buying it. Your history of blaming whitey for everything tells me you'd have celebrated if neely killed that "racist white boy".


We could never catch up to the number of white men who have murdered black folks and got away Scott free.

Cant argue there, but we're talking about modern time statistics and what they say now.

How in the hell do you accidentally kill someone when you choke them to death.
By trying to restrain someone who was fighting you to get free, you keep the pressure up to keep the person from getting away.
The history of America says different.

What white people are just out there murdering black people and getting away with it. (Police statistics in 3...2....1...GO!)
 
Are you suggesting white people can't be fair? Lol, never mind, I already know your answer.
When it's a black man on trial, history proves not in most cases.
You'd have to consult the article. My guess they were hiding behind other passengers? I don't know..ask the writer. That wasn't relevant to my point.
Hmmm, hiding behind other passengers? Is that the passengers who were not scared?
I don't, that's why I am not saying what was on his mind.
Not buying it. Your history of blaming whitey for everything tells me you'd have celebrated if neely killed that "racist white boy".
Prove my history incorrect.
Cant argue there, but we're talking about modern time statistics and what they say now.
That's what you say.
By trying to restrain someone who was fighting you to get free, you keep the pressure up to keep the person from getting away.
So, you choke a man to death and then use the excuse I was trying to restrain him, I didn't realize he was choking to death. Smfh.
What white people are just out there murdering black people and getting away with it. (Police statistics in 3...2....1...GO!)
Really? Terrance Crutcher, Sean Bell, Amadou Diallo, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Philando Castile just to name a few.
 
If I was a 1.80 tall strong man............ I would

But I am only a small and slim woman .....so
 
When it's a black man on trial, history proves not in most cases.

I disagree. It's only the ones you see in the news. I'm sure there are plenty of cases of a white court and a black defendant that work out favorably for the black man...but you never see it because it doesn't draw ratings like a other story of "racist white judge slams black man!" That shit sells, and draws a crowd.


Hmmm, hiding behind other passengers? Is that the passengers who were not scared?

I have no idea. You're trying to get me to answer a question about something someone wrote in an article. The point was, people were afraid.


I don't, that's why I am not saying what was on his mind.

The hell you say. You've accused him of murder multiple times in this thread alone, and alluded that it was intentional.


Prove my history incorrect.

I can't prove your history of blaming whitey incorrect, it's the one thing you are consistent and blatant about here.on these forums.

That's what you say.

Well, and the crime statistics data found on different websites...

So, you choke a man to death and then use the excuse I was trying to restrain him, I didn't realize he was choking to death. Smfh.

I thought you said you didn't know what was on Penny's mind...sure seems like you are trying to say you do..


Really? Terrance Crutcher, Sean Bell, Amadou Diallo, Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Philando Castile just to name a few.

Crutcher: (i knew you'd go to police instances)


Jury foreman said it was justified.

Police stated that Crutcher kept reaching into his pocket, refused to show his hands, walked towards his vehicle despite being told to stop, and then angled towards and reached into his vehicle. Critics have disputed this saying that the driver's side window was up when Crutcher was shot.

However, the Jury concluded "It is clear to the Jury after intensely studying the video, still photos, and testimony that the windows to the SUV driven by Terrance Crutcher that evening were open and that the jury believes from said evidence that Terrance Crutcher did in fact reach into the window disobeying the instructions of the police officers on location.


Bell: (another police shooting)

On the night of his death, Bell was hosting a bachelor party at Club Kalua, a strip club that was being investigated by undercover police over accusations that the owners fostered prostitution.<a href="Killing of Sean Bell - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>9<span>]</span></a> The New York Post reported that Joseph Guzman had an argument with a man outside the bar, and threatened to get a gun. One of Bell's friends reportedly said, "Yo, get my gun," as they left the club.<a href="Killing of Sean Bell - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> Thinking a shooting was about to take place, a plainclothes officer named Gescard Isnora followed Bell and his companions. He alerted his backup team, who confronted Bell and his companions outside.<a href="Killing of Sean Bell - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a> According to Isnora, he "held out his badge, identified himself as a police officer, and ordered the driver to stop".<a href="Killing of Sean Bell - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>11<span>]</span></a> Instead, Bell accelerated the car, striking Isnora, and then collided with an unmarked police minivan.<a href="Killing of Sean Bell - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> Isnora said he saw Guzman reach for a gun. He yelled a warning to the other policemen, and they opened fire on the car to prevent the possible shooting by Guzman. Five policemen joined in, firing about 50 bullets into Bell's car.


Diallo: (police)

When they ordered Diallo to show his hands, he ran up into the building entrance and reached into his pocket to produce what turned out to be his wallet.<a href="Killing of Amadou Diallo - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a> Assuming Diallo was drawing a firearm, one officer fired as he was walking up the stairs. The recoil of the gun caused the officer to fall backwards. The other three officers, believing their partner was shot, fired their weapons. The four officers fired 41 shots<a href="Killing of Amadou Diallo - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> with semi-automatic pistols

The internal NYPD investigation ruled that the officers had acted within policy, based on what a reasonable police officer would have done in the same circumstances.

On February 25, 2000, after three days of deliberation, a jury composed of four black and eight white jurors acquitted the officers of all charges.<a href="Killing of Amadou Diallo - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

Trayvon: (Zimmerman was not "white" despite what you say)

His story was that training attacked him. We have no evidence that this was true or false.

Garner, now I'll agree here that what happened here was not good, but it wasn't murder. Garner was resisting and they were trying to subdue him, and he got into the "i can't breathe" mode. Now, I agree, like I did for Floyd, that they should have just cuffed him and let him up. But there is no indication they were trying to murder him


Philando: ill give you this one. That was fucked up.


The problem with all of these is that they are all, but one, police related, and involve resisting arrest or police who are not very well trained or too hot headed. This doesn't amount to whitey just being able to murder people and get away with it. Everyone one of those people had their trial and they were all found not guilty due to various factors.

Again, you make it sound like white people be out just shooting black folk and getting away with it. That's just not the case
 
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