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Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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The problem must be the "free" education that people don't take full advantage of by actually remembering what they're taught.

There is a sliding scale between pure capitalism, and pure communism, with socialism dancing between the two extremes.

From history you should have been taught about the first public police forces, the first public fire forces, and even the first public schools. And when I say public, I mean "free shit"


Yeah it's all that CRT being taught.. The one thing Covid did well was to expose just what the Commie teachers were teaching our kids.
Years ago I noted that American history in our schools were taught using the "Russian history book" version of American History.
"Revision of American history is rampant. It is treasonous. And it is no accident. For four generations of Americans, the significance of the past has been eliminated in order to reshape society and the future on man's terms."
 
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Maybe the question shouldn't be would you be better off under socialism, but rather would your kids? And their kids, and the kids that follow after that? Under socialism, their rights are not guaranteed, you know that right? Oh, I know people have been denied their rights here in the past and even now it's true, but do you really think that will change for the better if we became a socialist state? Look about this world, where is the socialist state that has more rights and freedoms than you have today right here? You want your kids to grow up in a place like Cuba? Venezuela? Any other place like that? You tell me, how many people are clamoring to get into any socialist country? Name it please.

Why is it do you think that so many people from every country on Earth left their homeland to come here? And still do, take a look at our southern border sometime. Show me the socialist state where every last person living there wouldn't come here in a heartbeat, except maybe the elites. Why would they all want to leave if they were better off where they were? Answer: cuz they ain't better off, that's why. A better answer: they want their kids to have a better life than they had.
 

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Yeah it's all that CRT being taught.. The one thing Covid did well was to expose just what the Commie teachers were teaching our kids.
Years ago I noted that American history in our schools were taught using the "Russian history book" version of American History.
"Revision of American history is rampant. It is treasonous. And it is no accident. For four generations of Americans, the significance of the past has been eliminated in order to reshape society and the future on man's terms."
Your source says:

What should be a Christian's response? Do not bury your head in the sand. Recognize and face the fact that a battle is being waged.

Your children need to learn how to take original sources — not doctored textbooks — and to analyze them Biblically through a grid of good theology and come to their own conclusions about them. Parents can train their children to do this.
 

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^^^ obviously a Canadian. We don't take orders from Nazi Democrats we flip them the bird and do as we please.

Hitler rounded up the Communists, Socialists, Democrats and Jews in 1933. Didn't you know that?
 

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I'm curious as to the thought process involved in embracing Socialism so I ask, Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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“Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?”​

All filthy pieces of worthless dogshit who can’t stand on their own two feet LOVE all things socialism.
Ask Mac1958
 

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Hitler rounded up the Communists, Socialists, Democrats and Jews in 1933. Didn't you know that?


You left out Jews, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Gypsies, and Homosexuals.

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You left out Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Homosexuals and Jehovah Witnesses.....

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I'm talking about 1933 and the Enabling Act when Hitler purged the government.
 

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I'm curious as to the thought process involved in embracing Socialism so I ask, Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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You left out Jews, Catholics, Gypsies, Homosexuals and Jehovah Witnesses.....

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He literally mentioned the Jews and you say he left them out. :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg:
 

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I'm curious as to the thought process involved in embracing Socialism so I ask, Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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The USA has been a socialist country basically since its founding. A publically owned post office is a socialist concept.
 

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He literally mentioned the Jews and you say he left them out. :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg: :auiqs.jpg:


Literally is (speech act) word for word; not figuratively; not as an idiom or metaphor while actually is (modal) in act or in fact; really; in truth; positively. :abgg2q.jpg:
 
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I'm curious as to the thought process involved in embracing Socialism so I ask, Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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Ask an honest question, I'll do my best to give you an honest answer.

Socialism, as I imagine you know, is an economic system in which industry (the "means of production") is controlled by all of the public together, as opposed to capitalism, which has private ownership. Socialism can be applied to a specific industry—fire protection, for example, is controlled by all of us together (via our taxes and the elected government) and its product (fire protection) is then distributed based on need (to the people whose house is burning down). Most of our industries, though, are privately owned and therefore use a capitalistic model, so we're a mostly capitalist society. On the other hand, a place like Denmark is primarily socialist; a good bellwether industry, I've found, is health care; there it is a public industry, while here, it is mostly privately run.

Socialism is not a whole system of government; it's just the money. It can be used by both authoritarian government (dictatorship, one big boss, etc.) or a democratic one (the superior choice, as we have). Communism is an authoritarian government that uses socialism for its money; the dictator pretends that they're doing the "people's will," but they're really doing their own. That is not us, nor is it the inevitable conclusion of socialism; that's just a thing that anti-socialists like to say to scare others. Democratic Socialism (the name sucks, but whatever) is a democratic government that uses socialism, as I just mentioned for Denmark. The people all pitch in, and then their democratically-elected government allocates the money and writes the checks.

We are a democracy, so if we adopted socialism, we would become a Democratic Socialist nation. If we did, most of our day-to-day lives probably wouldn't change very much. We'd all still go punch our clocks and take home probably about the same; the taxes would go up, but payments such as that massive insurance nut would go away as health care became government-run. A lot of things would become a lot more fair, but there would be growing pains as the whole country gets into a new system, with crooks and cops both learning new rules, and some entire industries might rise and fall. Mostly, I think I would just have to stop reading the news as often, for stress-avoidance reasons.
 

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Ask an honest question, I'll do my best to give you an honest answer.

Socialism, as I imagine you know, is an economic system in which industry (the "means of production") is controlled by all of the public together, as opposed to capitalism, which has private ownership. Socialism can be applied to a specific industry—fire protection, for example, is controlled by all of us together (via our taxes and the elected government) and its product (fire protection) is then distributed based on need (to the people whose house is burning down). Most of our industries, though, are privately owned and therefore use a capitalistic model, so we're a mostly capitalist society. On the other hand, a place like Denmark is primarily socialist; a good bellwether industry, I've found, is health care; there it is a public industry, while here, it is mostly privately run.

Socialism is not a whole system of government; it's just the money. It can be used by both authoritarian government (dictatorship, one big boss, etc.) or a democratic one (the superior choice, as we have). Communism is an authoritarian government that uses socialism for its money; the dictator pretends that they're doing the "people's will," but they're really doing their own. That is not us, nor is it the inevitable conclusion of socialism; that's just a thing that anti-socialists like to say to scare others. Democratic Socialism (the name sucks, but whatever) is a democratic government that uses socialism, as I just mentioned for Denmark. The people all pitch in, and then their democratically-elected government allocates the money and writes the checks.

We are a democracy, so if we adopted socialism, we would become a Democratic Socialist nation. If we did, most of our day-to-day lives probably wouldn't change very much. We'd all still go punch our clocks and take home probably about the same; the taxes would go up, but payments such as that massive insurance nut would go away as health care became government-run. A lot of things would become a lot more fair, but there would be growing pains as the whole country gets into a new system, with crooks and cops both learning new rules, and some entire industries might rise and fall. Mostly, I think I would just have to stop reading the news as often, for stress-avoidance reasons.

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I'm curious as to the thought process involved in embracing Socialism so I ask, Would you be better off under Socialism, if so how?

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Compare what happens to someone in the wealthy EU nations when their company goes bankrupt and they lose their job. Do they lose their healthcare? Do their children have to quit college? Is their unemployment enough to cover rent and food?
 

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Socialism is best, not only because it is more efficient, but because it is in our DNA, from millions of years of evolution.
There are no solitary primates.
Only carnivores tend to be solitary.
When humans left our arboreal defense method, the only defense left was group cohesiveness.
We had no other defense, like fangs, claws, speed, or armor.
We were like Meerkats, and survive in similar social ways.

If you think socialism is undemocratic or centralized, you simply do not know anything about socialism.
All human families always are and will be communist really.
 

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Compare what happens to someone in the wealthy EU nations when their company goes bankrupt and they lose their job. Do they lose their healthcare? Do their children have to quit college? Is their unemployment enough to cover rent and food?
Best answer is; What has happened to Venezuela? Yes, the Jewel of the 21st Century Socialism.
 
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Socialism is best, not only because it is more efficient, but because it is in our DNA, from millions of years of evolution.
There are no solitary primates.
Only carnivores tend to be solitary.
When humans left our arboreal defense method, the only defense left was group cohesiveness.
We had no other defense, like fangs, claws, speed, or armor.
We were like Meerkats, and survive in similar social ways.

If you think socialism is undemocratic or centralized, you simply do not know anything about socialism.
All human families always are and will be communist really.
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Tell that to the citizens of Venezuela.... Under Chavez they went from Democracy to Socialism.
I know that if you get your wish things will be different this time... Right?

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Best answer is what has happened to Venezuela.

No it's not. That country eventually sunk to that system because of sanctions by the us and others. They had no where to go and charlatan dictators took power.
 

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Health and Sickness

1. subsidized doctor care mainly in county clinics

2. free public hospital treatment

3. subsidized dental care; free for children

4. subsidized prescription drugs; life-saving drugs free

5. free abortions and sterilizations

6. free maternity clinics for prenatal care

7. cash benefits to compensate for loss of most wages due to sickness; a separate benefit is available for workers injured on the job

Family Support

8. tax-free monthly payment to parents for each child; single parents receive an additional payment for each child

9. parents have a right to take a total of 12 months paid leave from work at near full wages to care for each child up to first year in school

10. subsidized child care at home or in a government day-care center

11. one year at a subsidized nursery school

12. unemployment insurance pays about 80 percent of previous income

Pensions

13. most retired persons receive three different kinds of old-age pensions paid for by taxes and employer contributions

14. full or partial disability pensions; disabled child pension goes to parents until age 16 and then directly to child

15. special payment to handicapped persons who are working or in school

16. surviving spouse and orphan pensions

You can allow many such programs under a capitalist system. For example Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc are socialist style programs. The problem is such programs may eventually become so expensive they can’t be sustained.


……The United States—like every other country with an advanced economy, such as the U.K., Germany, France, and Japan—is already a partly socialist country, with a mixed economy and many government programs that serve the public good.

By this defintion, Social Security is a "socialist" program: it's a government-run pension system that cuts out private money managers. Medicare - a single-payer, government-run health insurance program for those over 65 - is too. Medicare-For-All would simply extend this to the rest of the population.

The minimum wage, maximum hour, and child labor laws that go back over a century are likewise "socialist" programs, in that the government intervenes in the capitalist market to require employers to meet minimum standards that might not be met in a pure, unregulated “free” market. Agricultural and energy subsidies are likewise socialist programs. I could go on and on.

Stripped of the Red-baiting and name-calling, the real debate isn’t between capitalism vs. socialism, but about the appropriate balance between the two.
 

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