Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

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His Plan Gets Us Nowhere

A malevolent God is a contradiction in terms. He can't be a law onto Himself. No wonder people submit to a dictator and think they deserve their own misery.

Life is unfair. Expect to make sacrifices.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Damn.

How do these people live with themselves? No one has a gun to their heads forcing them to support this historic perverse religious corruption of minds and lives. Paying for the privilege of them and their children becoming irrational blood thirsty zombies. And some people don't believe in curses, the magical arts, sorcery, what is well known as mind control, brainwashing.

Imagine that!

Pressure Valve

I blame a decadent and limiting society for making people need such escapism. That's why the great biographer Plutarch hated Stoicism, which was as soul-deadening as Buddhism.

 

[Arlette]

Fifty years ago, Karl Menninger (eminent psychiatrist of that time) noted that no one could talk about sin anymore. He said when theologians gave up talking about sin, lawyers took it on, and sin became crime/lawsuits. When lawyers gave up on sin, psychiatrists took it on, and sin became a psychological complex. He foresaw a time when society doesn’t talk about sin at all but would simply go along with it.

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

We like sin.

 

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We like sin.

Can't have knowledge of good and evil without it.

 

[Arlette]

Can't have knowledge of good and evil without it.

It's enough to know right from wrong and even so America put Trump back in the White House. So much for that "Christian Nation"

 

[Ace Nova]

How do these people live with themselves? No one has a gun to their heads forcing them to support this historic perverse religious corruption of minds and lives. Paying for the privilege of them and their children becoming irrational blood thirsty zombies.

I believe you stated that you were Catholic at some point? Did the Catholic faith prevent you from becoming educated?

Corrupting the minds and lives?

Here’s a factoid to impress the guests at your next cocktail party: the mechanical clock was invented by a pope. Before his election as pope in 999, the Frenchman Gerbert of Aurillac was a Benedictine monk who went to Spain, then under Arab domination, to study mathematics. There, he learned the Hindu-Arabic digits. Later, Gerbert introduced the decimal system and reintroduced the forgotten abacus to Europe. In 996, he constructed the first pendulum-driven clock for a tower in Magdeburg, Germany.

Apart from his mathematical and mechanical accomplishments, Sylvester II also contributed to the moral renewal of the priesthood, campaigning against concubinage and the selling of ecclesiastical offices, widespread practices among the clergy in his time. In his view, a priest should set a moral example to his flock.

The atheist philosopher Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) wrote that religion “helped in early days to fix the calendar, and it caused Egyptian priests to chronicle eclipses with such care that in time they became able to predict them. These two services [of religion] I am prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others.”

Russell’s statement reveals embarrassing (or willful?) ignorance and prejudice. In the narrow field of the measurement of time, where Russell recognizes religion’s sole positive achievements, the significance of Sylvester II’s invention of the clock is arguably at least as important as that of the priests in ancient Egypt.
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473-1543)

Like Leonardo da Vinci, Nicolaus Copernicus was a true Renaissance man, a many-gifted polymath. He was a noted economist, mathematician, physician, Church canon, and diplomat, but he is best known for his contributions to astronomy. In his famous work De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (“On the Revolutions of Heavenly Spheres”), Copernicus debunked the dominant Ptolemaic model according to which the earth was at the center of our galaxy; instead, Copernicus correctly pointed out that the earth and other planets revolve around the sun.

Copernicus worked as a canon at various churches. His uncle, Lucas Watzenrode the Younger, was the Bishop of Warmia and defended Poland and the Baltics against the Teutonic Order, an order of hospitaller knights founded during the Crusades who routinely violated the Fifth Commandment in converting pagans to Christianity. Copernicus dedicated De revolutionibus orbium coelestium to Pope Paul III. Jan Matejko’s famous painting Astronomer Copernicus, or Conversations with God, beautifully depicts Copernicus’ dual role as a man of faith and science


André-Marie Ampère (1775-1836)

The amp, the base unit of electrical current, was named after André-Marie Ampère, one of the fathers of electromagnetism. This French scientist discovered that a wire carrying an electric current can attract or repel another current-carrying wire, thus generating a magnetic field. This paved the way for the later discovery of electromagnetic radiation, which made possible inventions that we now take for granted, including the radio, microwave, and X-rays.

Ampère was a devout Catholic. While studying at the Sorbonne, the scholar Frédéric Ozanam, later beatified, was going through a period of doubt. One day, he wandered into a parish church in a Paris slum where he unexpectedly saw none other than André-Marie Ampère, one of the most famous scientists of the time, on his knees praying.

“Professor, I see you believe in prayer,” Ozanam said.

“Everyone has to pray,” Ampère replied. This was a turning point in Ozanam’s conversion.

Louis Braille (1809-1852)


Fiddling around with tools in his father’s tannery, the three-year-old Louis Braille accidentally stabbed his eye with an awl. This led to an infection, which eventually spread to both eyes and left him completely blind.

Being blind before the invention of the Braille alphabet made learning extremely difficult. Books written for the blind at the time consisted of clumsy, bulky raised letters. Yet Louis Braille excelled in his studies and, at the age of ten, went to Paris to study at one of the world’s first schools for blind children.

He wanted to make the alphabet for the blind easier and more accessible, and so he created a system based around raised dots, inspired by a similar secret system of communication used for communication between troops on the front. Braille’s alphabet was mostly completed when he was just fifteen.

A devout Catholic, Braille loved liturgical music and earned his living as an organ player at churches all over France.



Gregor Mendel (1822-1884)

Gregor Mendel was born to a poor peasant family in Heinzendorf bei Odrau, presently Hynčice in the Czech Republic. While Mendel was motivated to join the monastic life in part to escape the grinding poverty of his youth, Father Clemens Richter, OSA, his great-great-grand-nephew and a fellow Augustinian friar, writes that his famous relative did have a sincere religious faith:

Mendel was deeply rooted in his Christian faith, and he passionately tried to convey his conviction and experience to others at any given occasion. Testimony of this attitude is shown in various outlines of sermons that are still preserved.

Initially, Mendel experimented with the principles of heredity on mice. But his prior was disgusted by the notion of studying the copulation of animals, so Mendel switched to pea plants. After many long hours spent on crossbreeding them, Mendel came up with the basic principles of the inheritance of recessive and dominant alleles, which are now illustrated in probably every single high school biology textbook. Later, Mendel would become the prior of his abbey.

Mendel presented a paper on inheritance at a meeting of the National History Society of Brno in 1865, six years after Charles Darwin had published his On the Origin of Species. Darwin was aware neither of the paper nor of the notion of genes, yet evolutionary science does not make sense without genetics. Mendel was ignored by the scientific community in his life, and his work gained recognition only sixteen years after his death.

Louis Pasteur (1822-1895)

Very few nineteenth-century scientists left such a lasting impact on our world as Louis Pasteur. He is considered the inventor of vaccines (such as for rabies), which in the twentieth century would prove critical in eliminating many other diseases. Thanks to the polio vaccine, for instance, poliomyelitis is all but obsolete except for in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Pasteur also discovered pasteurization, the process by which germs are eliminated from food and can therefore be preserved for longer. He is one of the discoverers of germ theory of disease, by which physicians understand the mechanisms of the contraction of maladies.

Guglielmo Marconi (1874-1937)

Guglielmo Marconi, the inventor of the radio and the winner of the 1909 Nobel Prize in Physics, was born to an Italian aristocrat and his Irish Protestant wife. Although baptized a Catholic, he had been raised an Anglican; he received the sacrament of confirmation in the Catholic Church so he could marry his wife, Maria Cristina Bezzi-Scali. It was then that he became a zealous Catholic.


Another Catholic played a key role in Marconi’s invention of the radio: Thomas Edison informed Marconi of the experiments of Father Jozef Murgaš, a Slovak priest living in Pennsylvania, who contributed to the wireless transmission of the human voice.

In 1931, Marconi set up Vatican Radio for Pope Pius XI; this was the first radio station that was used to preach the Good News. One year later, he invented a short-wave radio telephone to facilitate communications between the Vatican and the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo, an early predecessor to the cellular phone.

9) Georges Lemaître (1894-1966)

A few years ago, I was strolling through a park and overheard two teenaged girls talking. “I’m not sure if I believe in God or the Big Bang,” one said to the other.

I regret not interrupting their conversation and pointing out that the Big Bang theory had been formulated by Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest from Belgium and professor of physics at the Catholic University of Louvain.

Before Lemaître, not all physicists believed the universe had a definite beginning. However, he argued that it had expanded from a “primeval atom.” While the notion of a specific point marking the beginning of existence was consistent with the account of Creation proposed by Judaism and Christianity, Lemaître believed that the Big Bang theory contradicted neither theism nor atheism.


Lemaître applied Albert Einstein’s theory of general relativity to cosmology. The priest was among the first scientists to propose that the universe is expanding, a view initially rejected by Einstein himself; he was nominated for the Nobel Prizes in Physics and Chemistry. In 1960, Pope John XXIII gave him the honorary title of Monsignor.

Jérôme Lejeune (1926-1994)

In today’s West, there is a growing inconsistent tendency to, on the one hand, promote the greater inclusion and empowerment of people with physical and intellectual disabilities but, on the other, to lobby for their widespread killing in the womb. In Iceland, for example, nearly 100 percent of unborn children diagnosed with Down syndrome during neonatal testing are aborted.

The French geneticist and pediatrician Jérôme Lejeune compassionately worked with children with disabilities. In 1958, he discovered that Down syndrome is caused by an extra copy of chromosome 21. Previously, scientists had believed that Down syndrome was caused by syphilis, alcohol abuse by the mother, or genes of Asian origin (hence the now-archaic terms “Mongolism” and “Mongoloid”).

Ten Catholic scientists and inventors everyone should know

www.catholicworldreport.com

DID THE CATHOLIC FAITH "Corrupt the minds and lives" of these historic inventors and pioneers?


How about Michaelangelo? Leonardo Da Vinci? Rafael? Did their faith corrupt their minds and lives or did it lead them to creating among the greatest works of art on Earth, immortalizing both their artwork and themselves?


How about the 1800+ of Catholic Colleges and Universities worldwide? Where religion is only a part of the vast amount of education they provide at the highest standards?


How about the 5,500 Catholic Hospitals, 18,000 healthcare clinics, 18,000 pharmacies, 16,000 homes for the elderly - 65% of which are located in developing countries (The poorest countries on Earth). And EVERY SINGLE ONE OPERATES AS A NON-PROFIT.

Do they "corrupt the minds and lives"of the people they treat? The people they treat would would likely tell you otherwise.

 

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It's enough to know right from wrong and even so America put Trump back in the White House. So much for that "Christian Nation"

How can you know right from wrong if you don't have knowledge of both?

But you seem to think elections are votes on morality. I don't believe they are. It seems to me the voters were voting on which candidate they thought would do a better job or had a better vision.

For an atheist you sure do make a lot of moral arguments. It's almost as if you believe there is an absolute moral right and wrong that you believe everyone should know and follow. That's kind of an odd belief for an atheist.

 

[Arlette]

How can you know right from wrong if you don't have knowledge of both?

But you seem to think elections are votes on morality. I don't believe they are. It seems to me the voters were voting on which candidate they thought would do a better job or had a better vision.

For an atheist you sure do make a lot of moral arguments. It's almost as if you believe there is an absolute moral right and wrong that you believe everyone should know and follow. That's kind of an odd belief for an atheist.

Only people without a moral compass don't know right from wrong. You need a class on why cruelty is wrong? If you are capable of empathy you know right from wrong.

 

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Only people without a moral compass don't know right from wrong. You need a class on why cruelty is wrong? If you are capable of empathy you know right from wrong.

You are preaching to the choir. I'm glad you believe in an absolute universal right and wrong and not moral relativity. You are closer to believing in God than you think.

 

[Arlette]

I'm going to believe the purported Word of God over some schmuck I encounter on the internet

You don't have the word of God, you know only what his biographers say.

 

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You don't have the word of God, you know only what his biographers say.

Only people without a moral compass don't know right from wrong.

 

[Arlette]

You are preaching to the choir. I'm glad you believe in an absolute universal right and wrong and not moral relativity. You are closer to believing in God than you think.

What the heck is wrong with you?

 

[Arlette]

Only people without a moral compass don't know right from wrong.

Are you ok?

 

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What the heck is wrong with you?

Not a thing. Why?

 

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Are you ok?

Couldn't be better.

 

[Arlette]

Not a thing. Why?

Well I can think of several things wrong with you.

 

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Well I can think of several things wrong with you.

Let's hear them.

 

[BreezeWood]

Let's hear them.

I'm glad you believe in an absolute universal right and wrong and not moral relativity.

so claims who is incapable not to sin, christianity the religion of servitude and denial subservient as their lack of the very knowledge they claimed relying instead on their false messiah to save them.

far from the true events of the 1st century.

 

[Ace Nova]

Any Good Nature Does Man Can Do Better

High IQs create all the wealth of the plutocracy. That's why they design society so that geniuses are treated like freaks and losers from childhood on. And now they are treated like despoilers of a wonderful Nature.

But those who are the only real homo sapiens are the only creators. Economically, there won't be much of a future unless Investor Supremacy is replaced with Investor Supremacy.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[Ace Nova]

so claims who is incapable not to sin, christianity the religion of servitude and denial subservient as their lack of the very knowledge they claimed relying instead on their false messiah to save them.

far from the true events of the 1st century.

Breeze, you have repeatedly spoken about "The events of the first century" and how they are different than what historians and/or the Bible state.

Can you give specifics of what occurred - SPECIFIC names? specific places, specific events?

When they occurred? Why they occurred? The outcomes of the events?

AND how they are different than what is written by historians, in ancient texts and within the Bible?