Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

[BlackSand]

No. You didn't. You made an emotional response to a valid question.

I didn't question your interpretation. I asked you to supply the basis for your belief so I could better understand why you hold that belief. I assumed nothing. Go back and read the exchange.

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It's not emotional when one understands what is in front of them ... Sorry if for some silly reason your feelings got involved/
So how about you accept the challenge to at least be more creative and entertaining?

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[Meriweather]

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I get what you are saying ... And it would be foolish for me to object to what you believe is your calling.
The only way I could respond is ... My relationship with God has nothing to do with my neighbor.

I will live as close as I can to the Light ... Walk with, and listen to God when He chooses to guide me ...
And let God worry about handling his relationships with others.

It's not a perfect way of doing things ... But as you mentioned ...
I have a lot of my own stuff to take care of before I start throwing stones ... Or think I need to fix someone else.

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Being ninety percent hermit myself, I get it. Recently I have been studying the Catechism of the Catholic Church which indeed starts with the individual relationship with God--and neighbor for that matter. But it doesn't stop there, and my conscience got quite a poke when it laid out that a relationship with God doesn't stop at the individual level because God does not stop at the individual level. He has a Kingdom--and quite an extensive one at that. God is with us individually, absolutely, but He is also responsible for His Kingdom and life in that Kingdom. Kingdom living would not be what it should be if it was merely everyone for him/herself. But I think we agree, our work at the Kingdom level cannot be like a herd of buffaloes stampeding through it.

 

[BlackSand]

Being ninety percent hermit myself, I get it. Recently I have been studying the Catechism of the Catholic Church which indeed starts with the individual relationship with God--and neighbor for that matter. But it doesn't stop there, and my conscience got quite a poke when it laid out that a relationship with God doesn't stop at the individual level because God does not stop at the individual level. He has a Kingdom--and quite an extensive one at that. God is with us individually, absolutely, but He is also responsible for His Kingdom and life in that Kingdom. Kingdom living would not be what it should be if it was merely everyone for him/herself. But I think we agree, our work at the Kingdom level cannot be like a herd of buffaloes stampeding through it.

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There are things we can agree upon ... And I don't try to defeat someone else's faith.

My faith is fairly elementary and consists of principles not necessarily shared by organized religion.
Personally ... I think God will speak to anyone that will listen ... And likewise, we could all use His guidance.

I went to church regularly, and more than once a week for 18 years solid ... And never really found God.
I was sitting on deer stand in Willow, Arkansas ... And went from no faith at all to all the faith I ever needed in the blink of an eye.
I wasn't even looking for God ... I wasn't asking for help ... I wasn't struggling and my life was fine.

I was enjoying His Kingdom ... And He made me aware of who's Kingdom it was.
Like most sinners ... I don't deserve His Grace ... And the Glory is all His.

It's not my place to defeat the faith of others in support of mine ... I'm not as evangelical as most are.
My faith and my relationship with God ... Will not stand between another soul and Him.

I just tell people what I think and to listen to God.
Most of the great people I have encountered in life ... Regardless of Faith ... They all walked with God in their own way.

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[BreezeWood]

In a general sense ...
Judgement of sin is what makes God Divine and people Self-Righteous forgetting that they are all sinners ...

the only judgement will be for the sinless - not sins, as whether triumphant in good not evil for admission to the everlasting ... sinners will never be judged.

 

[Meriweather]

There are things we can agree upon ... And I don't try to defeat someone else's faith.

My faith is fairly elementary and consists of principles not necessarily shared by organized religion.
Personally ... I think God will speak to anyone that will listen ... And likewise, we could all use His guidance.

I went to church regularly, and more than once a week for 18 years solid ... And never really found God.
I was sitting on deer stand in Willow, Arkansas ... And went from no faith at all to all the faith I ever needed in the blink of an eye.
I wasn't even looking for God ... I wasn't asking for help ... I wasn't struggling and my life was fine.

I was enjoying His Kingdom ... And He made me aware of who's Kingdom it was.
Like most sinners ... I don't deserve His Grace ... And the Glory is all His.

It's not my place to defeat the faith of others in support of mine ... I'm not as evangelical as most are.
My faith and my relationship with God ... Will not stand between another soul and Him.

I just tell people what I think and to listen to God.
Most of the great people I have encountered in life ... Regardless of Faith ... They all walked with God in their own way.

I believe God meets us where we are and draws us ever closer from there. It makes no sense to get between a person and the Holy Spirit. It was the Catholic faith that dropped me into the lap of God, abetted by a love of history. What was God doing in the past; what will he be doing in the future. The past provides some answers to that.

I'm funny in the way I don't go the mea culpa route (not deserving of grace) and neither am I comfortable with the prayers/psalms that voice "....make haste to help me." Probably, "You are the potter, we are the clay," best sums up where I am. God uses the grace He needs to shape me, so 'deserving' doesn't enter into it; and I don't have to order Him to hurry up as He knows how much time is needed. Funny the different things that strike different people the wrong (or in an odd) way.

 

[BlackSand]

I believe God meets us where we are and draws us ever closer from there. It makes no sense to get between a person and the Holy Spirit. It was the Catholic faith that dropped me into the lap of God, abetted by a love of history. What was God doing in the past; what will he be doing in the future. The past provides some answers to that.

I'm funny in the way I don't go the mea culpa route (not deserving of grace) and neither am I comfortable with the prayers/psalms that voice "....make haste to help me." Probably, "You are the potter, we are the clay," best sums up where I am. God uses the grace He needs to shape me, so 'deserving' doesn't enter into it; and I don't have to order Him to hurry up as He knows how much time is needed. Funny the different things that strike different people the wrong (or in an odd) way.

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We agree more as we expound and look for similarities.

"You are the potter, and we are the clay" ...
"We are all works in progress"
"He is writing our story ... Stop trying to steal the pen ... Trust in the author"

In a sense ... I view in my faith ... It's all about much needed growth under His guidance.
You also mentioned prayer ... The only things I pray for are the wisdom to follow His guidance and the strength to do His Will.
I am not trying to second guess Him ... I figure He knows what He is doing ...

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[hobelim]

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Sin is disobedience to the law of God.

Whatever 'we' is is in denial of the sin of idolatry, whether y'all worship a trinity, a mangod, or an invisible disembodied ghost that makes those who are full of it squeak and gibber incoherently.

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

What does whatever we is think?

 

[ding]

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It's not emotional when one understands what is in front of them ... Sorry if for some silly reason your feelings got involved/
So how about you accept the challenge to at least be more creative and entertaining?

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By asking a question. Riiiight.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Agnostic. I dont doubt there is a creator or supreme being.
The creator would.

God Is Santa Claus for Adults

"God wouldn't let us believe in Him if He didn't exist"—that how smugly illogical these theists are. Believing in this insane fantasy makes them feel superior. With that drooling conceit, they have to re-inforce it by bossing around non-believers.

That makes these sociopaths go even further, into bossing believers who disagree about what the totally unclear Scripture means. That is more proof that their god doesn't exist; no Omniscient Being would inspire a book that can be interpreted in a thousand different ways. The Bible is the Tower of Babel.

It's not possible to be "agnostic" about any other imaginary figures, so why apply it to the most childish and impossible One?

 

[hadit]

God Is Santa Claus for Adults

"God wouldn't let us believe in Him if He didn't exist"—that how smugly illogical these theists are. Believing in this insane fantasy makes them feel superior. With that drooling conceit, they have to re-inforce it by bossing around non-believer.

That makes these sociopaths go even further, into bossing believers who disagree about what the totally unclear Scripture means. That is more proof that their god doesn't exist; no Omniscient Being would inspire a book that can be interpreted in a thousand different ways.

It's not possible to be "agnostic" about any other imaginary figures, so why apply it to the most childish and impossible One.

The thread is about sin, not your personal disbelief in God.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

We must be looking at different universes. I think this one is freaking awesome.

Any Good Nature Does Man Can Do Better

High IQs create all the wealth of the plutocracy. That's why they design society so that geniuses are treated like freaks and losers from childhood on. And now they are treated like despoilers of a wonderful Nature.

But those who are the only real homo sapiens are the only creators. Economically, there won't be much of a future unless Investor Supremacy is replaced with Investor Supremacy.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Wouldn't that depend upon the Creator's purpose for creation?

His Plan Gets Us Nowhere

A malevolent God is a contradiction in terms. He can't be a law onto Himself. No wonder people submit to a dictator and think they deserve their own misery.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

He's probably looking at all the fallen aspects of this fallen world. Without realizing that 'nature' as it is now is not what it was in the beginning. But even with this being a fallen world, I agree with you, there are still a lot of amazing things about nature and this universe.

The Fallen Fallacy

There you go with "It's all people's fault" again. That must make you really feel better than everybody who doesn't accept your God's judgment of what we deserve. Quit pretending that everything was better in the Stone Age.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The thread is about sin, not your personal disbelief in God.

A Thread Is Not a Tightrope

No, it's about you typical theists believing that you can boss around every other poster. What penance should I do to make you feel even more superior? We can tell you have a desperate need for that promotion.

 

[hobelim]

What penance should I do to make you feel even more superior?

You must go to a priest and ask him to tell God just how sorry you are for your sins and ask for forgiveness. Then to prove your contrition say three our fodders, light a candle, ring a bell, take a crap, slap yourself on the forehead and chant OWA TANA SIAM ten times. Then set aside Divine Law get down on your knees and do the exact thing God forbids under penalty of death and turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life and you can join da club, become an asshole, sin with impunity for life, and be a sanctimonious prick without any self awareness at all.

You might not understand. Its a Roman thing. Contempt for those easily scared into submission.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You must go to a priest and ask him to tell God just how sorry you are for your sins and ask for forgiveness. Then to prove your contrition say three our fodders, light a candle, ring a bell, take a crap, slap yourself on the forehead and chant OWA TANA SIAM ten times, then set aside Divine Law get down on your knees and do the exact thing God forbids under penalty of death and turn to a lifeless matzo made by human hands for spiritual life and then you can join da club, stay an asshole, sin with impunity for life, and be a sanctimonious prick without any self awareness at all.

You might not understand. Its a Roman thing. Contempt for those easily scared into submission.

What Does a Catholic Lick?

Or maybe I can give the priest an altar boy to diddle, and that would completely atone for my sins.

 

[hobelim]

What Does a Catholic Lick?

Or maybe I can give the priest an altar boy to diddle, and that would completely atone for my sins.

Damn.

How do these people live with themselves? No one has a gun to their heads forcing them to support this historic perverse religious corruption of minds and lives. Paying for the privilege of them and their children becoming irrational blood thirsty zombies. And some people don't believe in curses, the magical arts, sorcery, what is well known as mind control, brainwashing.

Imagine that!

 

[hadit]

Inhibition Leads to Inquisition

You frigid fascists are full of sexual hangups. starting with your eunuch religion's condemnation of Eve.

Which one is that, since I didn't tell you?

Learn how to handle your sex drive instead of pretending it's sent by Satan.

I know of no one who thinks that. Can you link to someone who says that and explain how they're connected to me? Failing that, feel free to come back and humbly admit you know nothing.

For millennia, you sanctimonious girlymen have been enemies of masculinity.

Wow, I've been around for millenia. You'd think there would have been a memo or something, at least a letter from the queen.

 

[BreezeWood]

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Or maybe I can give the priest an altar boy to diddle ....

oh, main street, you must be mistaken - the christian did not include that as a sin and was only a few over just a couple of years - so everything is ok now.

and they were always right and had a handle on it all along and took good care of it from the beginning - the meriweather congregation of sinners.

 

[ding]

Any Good Nature Does Man Can Do Better

High IQs create all the wealth of the plutocracy. That's why they design society so that geniuses are treated like freaks and losers from childhood on. And now they are treated like despoilers of a wonderful Nature.

But those who are the only real homo sapiens are the only creators. Economically, there won't be much of a future unless Investor Supremacy is replaced with Investor Supremacy.

Life is unfair. Expect to make sacrifices.