Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

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And I believe he is beginning to see the results of his attacks as other Christians call him out on them. Notice the increased clamoring for attention. This is not the way Christians are called to approach the world.

What you intended for evil, God is using for good.

 

[BlackSand]

Fifty years ago, Karl Menninger (eminent psychiatrist of that time) noted that no one could talk about sin anymore. He said when theologians gave up talking about sin, lawyers took it on, and sin became crime/lawsuits. When lawyers gave up on sin, psychiatrists took it on, and sin became a psychological complex. He foresaw a time when society doesn’t talk about sin at all but would simply go along with it.

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

Should we continue to deny sin? Do you agree that denial of sin is worse than sin?

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Romans 2: 12-13 ~
"If you sin without knowing what you’re doing, God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you’re doing, that’s a different story entirely. Merely hearing God’s law is a waste of your time if you don’t do what he commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the difference with God."

Romans 7:7 and Romans 2:14-16 ... Go on to clarify the relationship between sin and law.
They also cover the idea of one's opinion of their neighbor's sin.

The best take away is ...
A sin is valued by God in accordance with the degree to which the sinner knows it is a sin.
It also sets God as the arbiter of sin ... Not your neighbor.

In a general sense ...
Judgement of sin is what makes God Divine and people Self-Righteous forgetting that they are all sinners ...

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Parenthetically, it also serves as a very stern warning that God will not allow sin to flourish forever. Why do we expect God to just put up with evil and don't want Him to stop it?

That's an illogical argument. You haven't thought that through.

 

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Judgement of sin is what makes God Divine

That's what makes God divine?

 

[BlackSand]

That's what makes God divine?

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"makes God Divine" in perception.
God's Divinity is a product of God's actions ... Just as Man's lack of Divinity is a product of their Sin.

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"makes God Divine" in perception.
God's Divinity is a product of God's actions ... Just as Man's lack of Divinity is a product of their Sin.

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I would argue God's divinity is based upon God's nature and nothing else.

What actions do you believe God takes?

 

[BlackSand]

I would argue God's divinity is based upon God's nature and nothing else.

What actions do you believe God takes?

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You're more than welcome to argue with God about it if you want to ... Guru ding ...

"What actions do I believe God takes" ... Whatever actions He wants to.

If you need a list that meets whatever requirements you desire ... Then understand that's just your list.
I don't even believe that God is compelled to follow your list ... Nor does He require your approval or acceptance.

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[Meriweather]

Judgement of sin is what makes God Divine and people Self-Righteous forgetting that they are all sinners

Skip the 'self-righteousness' for a moment and consider responsibility. It is simple love of neighbor to guide and encourage them away from sin over shrugging and letting them dwell in sin--which not only affects the present but also the future.

While we are not called to be 'self-righteous' we are called to be righteous.

 

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You're more than welcome to argue with God about it if you want to ... Guru ding ...

"What actions do I believe God takes" ... Whatever actions He wants to.

If you need a list that meets whatever requirements you desire ... Then understand that's just your list.
I don't even believe that God is compelled to follow your list ... Nor does He require your approval or acceptance.

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Not a guru. Just asking you a question. Personally I don't see God as pushing buttons or pulling levels. I'm curious why you believe God is taking actions and what actions that would be.

 

[BlackSand]

Skip the 'self-righteousness' for a moment and consider responsibility. It is simple love of neighbor to guide and encourage them away from sin over shrugging and letting them dwell in sin--which not only affects the present but also the future.

While we are not called to be 'self-righteous' we are called to be righteous.

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Absolutely Correct ... We are called to be righteous.

When you think your call to righteousness is to determine your neighbor's righteousness ...
Then you're trying to do both God and your neighbor's job.

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[hadit]

Skip the 'self-righteousness' for a moment and consider responsibility. It is simple love of neighbor to guide and encourage them away from sin over shrugging and letting them dwell in sin--which not only affects the present but also the future.

While we are not called to be 'self-righteous' we are called to be righteous.

There is a Biblical way to deal with a neighbor you see in sin. First, take the beam out of your own eye. Examine yourself so as to not be a hypocrite and be ready to accept that you may actually be one. Then approach your neighbor by yourself. Only if he ignores you and continues in sin do you involve anyone else. To agree with you, this needs to be done in humility, not self-righteousness.

 

[BlackSand]

Not a guru. Just asking you a question. Personally I don't see God as pushing buttons or pulling levels. I'm curious why you believe God is taking actions and what actions that would be.

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I know what you want Guru ding ... I'm just telling you to go beat another bush.
I'm not concerned with your curiosity, nor your desire to argue for the sake of arguing.

You're never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks ...
You just want validation of your own ideas or surrender.

Look ... I am doing you a favor ... I will wave the white flag towards your nonsense ...
And save you the trouble of having to ask again.

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[Meriweather]

When you think your call to righteousness is to determine your neighbor's righteousness ...
Then you're trying to do both God and your neighbor's job.

Not always. We have a responsibility to self, to family, to neighbor, to community, to country. Allowing everyone to choose their own morality so as not to become 'self-righteous' is both cowardly and lazy. We probably agree that to call, label someone 'sinner' is not right. We are first to remove the beam from our own eye to properly guide another. Nor will it work to tell someone that is a sin, or to tell them what to do.

Telling someone to choose what to do or what not to do (or what is right or wrong) based on feelings is the wrong way to proceed. Moral decisions must be decided logically not on feelings--particularly not on what someone is feeling "right now."

 

[hadit]

Not always. We have a responsibility to self, to family, to neighbor, to community, to country. Allowing everyone to choose their own morality so as not to become 'self-righteous' is both cowardly and lazy. We probably agree that to call, label someone 'sinner' is not right. We are first to remove the beam from our own eye to properly guide another. Nor will it work to tell someone that is a sin, or to tell them what to do.

Telling someone to choose what to do or what not to do (or what is right or wrong) based on feelings is the wrong way to proceed. Moral decisions must be decided logically not on feelings--particularly not on what someone is feeling "right now."

The first thing we need to do is understand who we're approaching. A Christian brother or sister requires a different approach than someone who is not even a Christian at all. Jesus approached those who should have known better differently than He did those who either did not or were far gone in sin.

 

[BlackSand]

Not always. We have a responsibility to self, to family, to neighbor, to community, to country. Allowing everyone to choose their own morality so as not to become 'self-righteous' is both cowardly and lazy. We probably agree that to call, label someone 'sinner' is not right. We are first to remove the beam from our own eye to properly guide another. Nor will it work to tell someone that is a sin, or to tell them what to do.

Telling someone to choose what to do or what not to do (or what is right or wrong) based on feelings is the wrong way to proceed. Moral decisions must be decided logically not on feelings--particularly not on what someone is feeling "right now."

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I get what you are saying ... And it would be foolish for me to object to what you believe is your calling.
The only way I could respond is ... My relationship with God has nothing to do with my neighbor.

I will live as close as I can to the Light ... Walk with, and listen to God when He chooses to guide me ...
And let God worry about handling his relationships with others.

It's not a perfect way of doing things ... But as you mentioned ...
I have a lot of my own stuff to take care of before I start throwing stones ... Or think I need to fix someone else.

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I know what you want Guru ding ... I'm just telling you to go beat another bush.
I'm not concerned with your curiosity, nor your desire to argue for the sake of arguing.

You're never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks ...
You just want validation of your own ideas or surrender.

Look ... I am doing you a favor ... I will wave the white flag towards your nonsense ...
And save you the trouble of having to ask again.

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It was a question.

 

[BlackSand]

It was a question.

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I know it was a question ... I never said it wasn't.

Sorry you entirely missed the point of what I posted in response ...
And somehow mistakenly felt compelled to reply ...

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I know it was a question ... I never said it wasn't.

Sorry you entirely missed the point of what I posted in response ...
And somehow mistakenly felt compelled to reply ...

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If you didn't want a reply then maybe you shouldn't have accused me of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks and just wanting validation of my own ideas or surrender.

It would seem to me that of the two, my clarifying I was just asking a question was way less offensive than you accusing me of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks and just wanting validation of my own ideas or surrender.

Physician, heal thyself. Or maybe examine the log in your eye before looking at the speck in mine.

 

[BlackSand]

If you didn't want a reply then maybe you shouldn't have accused me of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks and just wanting validation of my own ideas or surrender.

It would seem to me that of the two, my clarifying I was just asking a question was way less offensive than you accusing me of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks and just wanting validation of my own ideas or surrender.

Physician, heal thyself. Or maybe examine the log in your eye before looking at the speck in mine.

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I accurately accused you of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks, and more ...
Based solely on my years of experience dealing with you.

If I need to clarify that ... Instead of questioning my own interpretation ... And even stealing the way someone else has described it ...
"Trying to have a conversation with you is like playing whack-a-mole".

I have made no qualms about what I think or why ... Regardless your desire not to understand.
I only desire that if you want to keep playing ... Please be a bit more creative and entertaining ...

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I accurately accused you of never looking for an understanding of what the other person thinks, and more ...
Based solely on my years of experience dealing with you.

If I need to clarify that ... Instead of questioning my own interpretation ... And even stealing the way someone else has described it ...
"Trying to have a conversation with you is like playing whack-a-mole".

I have made no qualms about what I think or why ... Regardless your desire not to understand.
I only desire that if you want to keep playing ... Please be a bit more creative and entertaining ...

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No. You didn't. You made an emotional response to a valid question.

I didn't question your interpretation. I asked you to supply the basis for your belief so I could better understand why you hold that belief. I assumed nothing. Go back and read the exchange.