Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

[Carl in Michigan]

We need to find the definition of sin in the Bible, not church tradition.

The BIBLICAL definition is found in 1 John 3:4 "Sin IS the transgression of the Law"

 

[BreezeWood]

Abortion, couples living together, gay weddings, openly taking God’s name in vain, no day of rest, elimination of prayer and bible studies in schools, divorce. What other sins are we in denial of?

that can not be accomplished through religions of servitude and denial the true cause for humanities decline and is another subliminal reason for the 1st century events.

only vial and evil personifications would so claim those living together are not the favor of the heavens as the proven heavenly exemplars mary and joseph so have proven by their fearless endeavor against the liar moses and their false commandments ...

the richest life is not the one bound by a legal document or religious indoctrination their insidious catechisms rather that as taught by jesus based on love and honesty ...

who knows the heavens better, mary and joseph or the bigot meriweather as well better than the 1st century repudiation of judaism.

 

[ding]

I have no doubts your god is man made, but not other possibilities.

Then you are no agnostic. But don't kid yourself, your perception of my God is fairytales. My perception of God is that God is every extant attribute of reality. You don't possess the desire or intellectual capacity to unpack that perception of God. So stick with your fairytale perception of God and continue making moronic comments about your fairytale version of God.

 

[TNHarley]

Then you are no agnostic. But don't kid yourself, your perception of my God is fairytales. My perception of God is that God is every extant attribute of reality. You don't possess the desire or intellectual capacity to unpack that perception of God. So stick with your fairytale perception of God and continue making moronic comments about your fairytale version of God.

No, im just not stupid and gullible.
Even you have to make shit up to justify your faith. Its pathetic.

 

[ding]

No, im just not stupid and gullible.
Even you have to make shit up to justify your faith. Its pathetic.

I think relative to me you are stupid and gullible. And to prove my point I think it was rather stupid and gullible for you to make the statement that I have made up shit to justify my faith. I think you made that comment without any basis whatsoever.

What is it that you think I have made up?

 

[TNHarley]

I think relative to me you are stupid and gullible. And to prove my point I think it was rather stupid and gullible for you to make the statement that I have made up shit to justify my faith. I think you made that comment without any basis whatsoever.

What is it that you think I have made up?

You make up things all the time. You ignore what the bible says and make up some weird interpretation. And then call everyone else stupid. You do it all the time.
You want to bring up rose colored glasses?

 

[hadit]

The BIBLICAL definition is found in 1 John 3:4 "Sin IS the transgression of the Law"

As long as we remember that Jesus summed up the Law in two commandments:

1. Love God with all you have.
2. Love your neighbor like you do yourself.

He took it from physical acts to thoughts and attitudes. He told us that the Law says do not murder, but He says don't be angry with your brother without cause, don't even call him a fool. The Law says do not commit adultery, but He says if you even look at a woman lustfully, you've already committed adultery with her. So, no, it's not just reliance on 613 commandments that none of us can follow perfectly.

IOW, you can't claim to live sinlessly if you haven't killed anyone but carry hatred at someone with you (and, yes, that applies to presidential candidates, think about it). You can't claim to live sinlessly if you haven't had sex outside your marriage but have fantasies about the girl next door.

 

[ding]

You make up things all the time. You ignore what the bible says and make up some weird interpretation. And then call everyone else stupid. You do it all the time.
You want to bring up rose colored glasses?

Like what? Give me an example.

 

[Meriweather]

No, im just not stupid and gullible.

Like the rest of us, is your thinking limited? Can there be something more beyond our own thoughts, our own logic? Who is placing more limits on him/herself: The person of faith; the person eschewing faith?

 

[hadit]

No, im just not stupid and gullible.
Even you have to make shit up to justify your faith. Its pathetic.

Have nothing to do with "Christians" who mock and despise your beliefs, seeking to stir up animosity because they are wrong for doing so. The only people Jesus was harsh with were the spiritual leaders of His day who corrupted what God established and should have known better. Everyone else He called to Himself, not driving them away.

 

[TNHarley]

Can there be something more beyond our own thoughts, our own logic?

Absolutely. But its not the abrahamic god.
He obviously isnt omniscient. So many things wrong in the bible with so many inconsistencies, and its just flat out unbelievable that a god that is intelligent and powerful enough to create all this, is a jealous, genocidal madman that murders babies.

 

[TNHarley]

Have nothing to do with "Christians" who mock and despise your beliefs, seeking to stir up animosity because they are wrong for doing so. The only people Jesus was harsh with were the spiritual leaders of His day who corrupted what God established and should have known better. Everyone else He called to Himself, not driving them away.

Its ok. His god knows his sin

 

[hadit]

Its ok. His god knows his sin

I hate it when people act that way towards others in the name of God.

 

[Meriweather]

Absolutely. But its not the abrahamic god.
He obviously isnt omniscient. So many things wrong in the bible with so many inconsistencies, and its just flat out unbelievable that a god that is intelligent and powerful enough to create all this, is a jealous, genocidal madman that murders babies.

I am always recommending a Bible Study of the Old Testament led by one who speaks Hebrew, and if one can be found, one whose first language is Hebrew. Second recommendation is to take oneself out of the story, because it is so easy to read it from our own point of view. Try reading it from God's point of view. Third, Hebrew is an objective language; that is, it speaks in pictures. When one is only looking at one part of a picture, it is easy to miss the whole scene. Fourth, we are a barbaric people. We are now, we were then. It's who God has to work with, slowly introducing and guiding our thoughts and ways over to his own. Don't give up on Biblical accounts so soon.

 

[TNHarley]

I hate it when people act that way towards others in the name of God.

He is very militant

 

[hadit]

Absolutely. But its not the abrahamic god.
He obviously isnt omniscient. So many things wrong in the bible with so many inconsistencies, and its just flat out unbelievable that a god that is intelligent and powerful enough to create all this, is a jealous, genocidal madman that murders babies.

When you understand the context in which those things were done, it becomes easier to understand. Just taking a single verse or paragraph out that says God brought judgement against a group of people doesn't illustrate what they were doing at the time, how the world worked, etc. It's kind of like putting Truman on trial for dropping the atom bomb and allowing only a Japanese prosecutor to question Japanese descendants of those killed by them. You're only considering one side of the equation.

Parenthetically, it also serves as a very stern warning that God will not allow sin to flourish forever. Why do we expect God to just put up with evil and don't want Him to stop it?

 

[ding]

Everyone else He called to Himself, not driving them away.

Except in John 6:60-66 where he let disciples walk away because they were shocked by his command to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

 

[ding]

He is very militant

I can't believe you didn't implode from the irony of that statement.

 

[ding]

I hate it when people act that way towards others in the name of God.

And I can't believe that you didn't explode from the irony of your statement either.

 

[hadit]

He is very militant

And I believe he is beginning to see the results of his attacks as other Christians call him out on them. Notice the increased clamoring for attention. This is not the way Christians are called to approach the world.