Zone1 Worse than sin is the denial of sin

[Ace Nova]

catholics arent saved.

Correct - at least "most shouldn't need to be" - Roman Catholics who were baptized as children and received all the sacraments and who live in accordance with Catholic/Christian teachings for all their lives and never commit "The Sin that can lead to Death" (Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - to intentionally cutoff all faith and beliefs in The Holy Spirit - after it has been revealed to you as being "True") - many of those Catholics are likely "Spiritually Righteous" and therefore are redeemed by the power of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

Now there can be many occurrences that Catholics may need to be "saved by grace" from time to time and it is through that grace that they were able to get back on course in order to be Spiritually Righteous and redeemed.

Unfortunately for some Catholics, they may completely cut out God and risk blasphemy of The Holy Spirit for years and years. Some of these Catholics would need to be "saved" by the Grace of God and The Holy Spirit (once they repent) and would be "redeemed in Christ". (AKA Saved)


being catholic isnt a requirement for salvation. being saved is.

Not really - not what you mean by "saved" anyway.

God clearly states in The Book of Isaiah that He is and can be The Redeemer of Mankind.

Luke 15

The New Testament parable about the Prodical Son illustrates how "There are Spiritually Righteous People" in The Kingdom of God who did not need to be "saved" -= Redeemed, maybe but not "saved".
25 “Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on. 27 ‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’

28 “The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him. 29 But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends. 30 But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’

31 “‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours. 32 But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’


In this case, "The Lost Son" is someone who was "saved" by Christ.



The older son in this case was already righteous with his father - "You are always with me and everything I have is yours". He did not need to be "saved" because he was already redeemed by being Spirituallly righteousand his good works



Luke 5

31 Jesus said to them in reply, “It is not the healthy who need a physician, but rather those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”

catholicism has never been Christian.

"Christians" were considered a cult within the Roman Empire and being called a "Christian" became synonymous with being in a cult or even a troublemaker. There were also many different sects of "Christianity" in the early days so the Church - in order to create unison and stability - called itself "The Catholic Church" meaning "Universal" - It would be the "Universal Church" for all Christian sects, churches and so forth - and permanently separating the faith from being considered a cult.

 

[luiza]

God clearly states in The Book of Isaiah that He is and can be The Redeemer of Mankind.

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But what you omitted was his full title .

ELOHIM - The Mighty Ones . PLURAL.
You Cult Christians have Deliberately Mistranslated into singular to support your untruthful story .

Stop cheating Cult Christians

 

[luiza]

Or, as we say ,

Space Alien Worshippers

 

[TNHarley]

You're getting too hung up on the word "sin" instead of the idea.

Do you believe there's such a thing as right and wrong? If your answer is yes, then you agree with the idea of sin, you just call it by a different name.

As for who decides what is right or wrong, that's a different matter. First I just wanted to ask you if you even believe in morals/ ethics.

No, I dont believe in the idea of sin. That is a religious term, with religious meaning. I dont think some homo with a pecker in his mouth is "wrong". I dont think people should be condemned for sharing a roof, when they arent married. Those are sins, not "wrong."

 

[Meriweather]

No, I dont believe in the idea of sin. That is a religious term, with religious meaning. I dont think some homo with a pecker in his mouth is "wrong". I dont think people should be condemned for sharing a roof, when they arent married. Those are sins, not "wrong."

Do you believe morality is whatever one chooses for him/herself? How does one choose morality?

 

[hadit]

I say NOTHING is worse than sin, and denial of sin IS sin.

To say, for instance, that committing adultery with the neighbor's wife is.. just his choice. . well, how is that not egregious sin (condoning sin)?

Well, Jesus said that FEW find the narrow way to Heaven. I used to ask myself WHY most people don't make it but I have several answers at this point: mostly, they just choose their own way over the way of God. At this one website I go to that is traditional Catholic, the main person who runs it says that no one outside the Catholic Church can be saved. That sounds harsh and "judgmental" to some and even to me at times but when you think about it: Jesus founded ONE religion and the only Christ-centered religion that goes back in history to the Beginning, to the Ascension, is the Catholic religion. You can Search: early Church fathers and find them talking about Catholic beliefs/practices: confession to a priest, the Eucharist and etc...

Some Sedevacantist Catholics say not only baptism saves, but baptism of desire.. So that if a person is planning on entering the Church but.. say he or she dies before the baptism, that person is acceptable to God (though may have to endure a long time in Purgatory). Some Sedevacantists like the aforementioned say there is no baptism of desire and that the Original Church always taught that, so too bad if you die b4 baptism. Yikes... I don't know what to believe on this particular issue at this time (since that guy is VERY convincing on everything else), but these are some scary issues that.. if true, people should be dropping everything they are doing and researching.. because: What if it is all true? Eternity is a VERY long time............ and as Jesus said, Few make it to Heaven (Mt 7, Lk 13)

We need to find the definition of sin in the Bible, not church tradition.

 

[ding]

We need to find the definition of sin in the Bible, not church tradition.

Sin is anything which distances you from God.

And you should be seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit rather than your faulty, self serving, translations from a book that you have created an idol out of.

 

[buttercup]

No, I dont believe in the idea of sin. That is a religious term, with religious meaning. I dont think some homo with a pecker in his mouth is "wrong". I dont think people should be condemned for sharing a roof, when they arent married. Those are sins, not "wrong."

Of course you have a different idea on what is or isn't wrong. But you DO believe there is such a thing as right and wrong, do you not?

 

[TNHarley]

Of course you have a different idea on what is or isn't wrong. But you DO believe there is such a thing as right and wrong, do you not?

Yes

 

[buttercup]

Yes

Ok. So as I was saying yesterday, you just call it by a different name. And of course, I'm sure you have different ideas about who decides. It's not the idea of right vs wrong that you disagree with, it's the religious aspect that you disagree with.

Let me ask you this. I don't know if you're an atheist or agnostic, or what.... but for the sake of argument, assume for the moment that there is a Creator, everything is not just an accident.

Who would know better on what is right vs wrong: the Creator of all who has all knowledge....or a finite, fallible joe schmo who only has a tiny fraction of knowledge compared to everything there is to know?

 

[TNHarley]

Ok. So as I was saying yesterday, you just call it by a different name. And of course, I'm sure you have different ideas about who decides. It's not the idea of right vs wrong that you disagree with, it's the religious aspect that you disagree with.

Let me ask you this. I don't know if you're an atheist or agnostic, or what.... but for the sake of argument, assume for the moment that there is a Creator, everything is not just an accident.

Who would know better on what is right vs wrong: the Creator of all who has all knowledge....or a finite, fallible joe schmo who only has a tiny fraction of knowledge compared to everything there is to know?

Agnostic. I dont doubt there is a creator or supreme being.
The creator would.

 

[buttercup]

Agnostic. I dont doubt there is a creator or supreme being.
The creator would.

Thanks for your honest response. That's a rare thing on this site, especially on controversial topics, it seems.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How much history of the Catholic Church are you aware of?

In my humble opinion, The Spirit of the Adversary has been at it since the beginning - always dwelling, waiting for the moment to contradict or corrupt.

Why is that? Because Catholicism is not perfect - not because of God, the ministry of Christ or the teachings of the prophets - it is because mankind is not perfect.

Jesus Christ set a very high standard for us to live by for a reason - because he knew no matter how hard we tried, we would likely fail - at some point or another. But if the standard is set high enough, even the failures would look like mere stumbling blocks - compared to what it could have been in a Pagan world or a world controlled by hundreds of rituals and laws that were never spoken by a prophet.

This world would be a vastly different place had things not transpired- exactly as they did - from the words of the Prophets - to the structure of the Roman Empire - to the ministry of Jesus - to the hundreds of years of persecution of Christians - to the the eventual "marriage of Rome to Christianity" and the events that came after.

The Church - through the faith of its people - has withheld the test of time - "The Netherworld has not destroyed it" as Jesus stated to Peter.

The miracle of Christ is that the faithful within the Church - and now to many people around the world" - is that if they truly followed the path of Christ - lived by the Golden Rule, lived a life of good will and works - their Spiritual reward awaits therm - despite the amount of accusations, "corruption or wrong doings" within the Church or other religions over the years.

" "Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles; I leave you peace, my peace I give to you. Look not on our sins, but on the faith of your Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your kingdom where you live forever and ever"

Thou Shalt Not Have Strange Gods

No God would allow us to sin In His Name. Quit making anti-human excuses for this anti-human mass-murdering Father Figure. Only immature adults still have Daddy Issues and are easily fooled by those who claim to be their security blanket.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

how can that be the garden earth is their creation they made it ...

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they judge who have lived there to keep it holy - sinners need not apply.

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

Only those few who use the supreme power of their minds to conquer this mindless, destructive, and ungodly Nature are supernatural. Man evolved himself into those superior beings who spit on nature-worship, which all these religious rackets amount to.

 

[ding]

Nature Is a Crime Against Humanity

Only those few who use the supreme power of their minds to conquer this mindless, destructive, and ungodly Nature are supernatural. Man evolved himself into those superior beings who spit on nature-worship, which all these religious rackets amount to.

We must be looking at different universes. I think this one is freaking awesome.

 

[ding]

Thou Shalt Not Have Strange Gods

No God would allow us to sin In His Name. Quit making anti-human excuses for this anti-human mass-murdering Father Figure. Only immature adults still have Daddy Issues and are easily fooled by those who claim to be their security blanket.

Wouldn't that depend upon the Creator's purpose for creation?

 

[ding]

Agnostic.

Your actions don't meet the strict definition of not knowing one way or the other. You are way too opinionated to meet that definition.

 

[TNHarley]

Your actions don't meet the strict definition of not knowing one way or the other. You are way too opinionated to meet that definition.

I have no doubts your god is man made, but not other possibilities.

 

[buttercup]

We must be looking at different universes. I think this one is freaking awesome.

He's probably looking at all the fallen aspects of this fallen world. Without realizing that 'nature' as it is now is not what it was in the beginning. But even with this being a fallen world, I agree with you, there are still a lot of amazing things about nature and this universe.

 

[BreezeWood]

But even with this being a fallen world ...

that is the relativity that matters, nature has not fallen and are progressing in the manner evolution, the heavens meant for life to be followed to ever greater refinement per their choice ...

that can not be accomplished through religions of servitude and denial the true cause for humanities decline and is another subliminal reason for the 1st century events.