Will Republicans end social security?

[sealybobo]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

What "they" should do is stop the oppression of the government taking your money by force and making you participate in a stupid retirement plan run by corrupt politicians elected by special interest groups.

The only people who get screwed are people who die young. People who live long benefit from the program. And it's very popular.

 

[sealybobo]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Why would I want to do away with something that is 1/3 of my income?

So you need it. If you haven't saved, you are proof why we need SS.

I didn't save as much as I could have because I knew SS would be waiting for me.

No one saves as much as they could have.

 

[dblack]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

I'm not a Republican, but it's possible to oppose a program you 'paid into'. Even while you expect to get your money back. It's possible to dismantle the program in a sane way - stop requiring young people to pay into it, pay off the people who did, and wash our hands of it. Stop pretending otherwise.

 

[sealybobo]

It wasn't discussed during the elections but does any one doubt SS is going to be put on the chopping block?

No way one usmb Republican will say they like and want to keep SS.

And if they want to at least tell us in 2019 so we can vote on it.

I do not LIKE SS, as it is budgetary Armageddon, that may very well destroy US.

But is has also made hundreds of millions of people dependent on the government, just as planned.


There may not be an answer other than to try to prepare for the crash and burn.


Ideally I would like to plan a retirement that does NOT depend on SS, being there. But unfortunately they are taxing me so much that it is hard.

Pretty pathetic savings if you couldn't retire without your social security and medicare. Now imagine how many people are like you and won't/haven't saved a dime. It's people like you why we invented the program. You'll need it. But I get it. Let people worry about themselves. If they are smart they'll save it. Most won't, especially when the cost of living goes up and wages don't go up in your republican experiment. I bet they'll go down. So millions will be screwed in 100 years but hey, rich people will get their tax breaks and we'll be able to buy a lot of bombs hopefully we will never have to use.

My savings and investments are not pathetic.

People like me are NOT the reason the program was invented.

Nothing in my post has anything to do with the paradigm "let people worry about themselves".

Everything policy that Trump has is designed encourage rising wages.

No where near the wages that we had back when America was great. You're talking about going from $10 hr to $15. I'm talking about $35 hr jobs with benefits.

You're talking about making America good again, not great.

 

[sealybobo]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

I'm not a Republican, but it's possible to oppose a program you 'paid into'. Even while you expect to get your money back. It's possible to dismantle the program in a sane way - stop requiring young people to pay into it, pay off the people who did, and wash our hands of it. Stop pretending otherwise.

I can agree with that. If they are going to end it, which I don't think they should, but if they are, it should be gradual and not screw the people who paid into it.

But ending it will mean massive cuts to the people who did pay into it. You can't pretend there won't be pain in ending the program for people who paid in.

 

[Flash]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

What "they" should do is stop the oppression of the government taking your money by force and making you participate in a stupid retirement plan run by corrupt politicians elected by special interest groups.

The only people who get screwed are people who die young. People who live long benefit from the program. And it's very popular.

You are really confused about this. You don't understand the concept of liberty, do you?

You always get screwed when the oppressive government forces you participate in something you wouldn't participate in if given a choice.

The most dangerous thing in the world is some stupid corrupt politician that thinks he knows what best for you.

 

[dblack]

But ending it will mean massive cuts to the people who did pay into it. You can't pretend there won't be pain in ending the program for people who paid in.

So? What's your point? Ending slavery cost us dearly. But it was the right thing to do.

 

[Flash]

The part in The Conners where the grandchildren explain to a tearful Dan that they had to murder his wife for having the wrong politics was hard to watch, but it’s something an increasing number of families can relate to.

— Frank J. Fleming (@IMAO_) October 17, 2018

 

[jknowgood]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

After instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Mitch McConnell says deficit ballooned because of Social Security, Medicare, not Republican Tax Cuts

You wasn't complaining when Obama kept those tax cuts for the rich, and went on a spending spree.

 

[easyt65]

1. Democrats have been trying to scare the crap out of Americans and into voting for them based off the lie that the bad ol' Republicans were going to steal their Social Security for DECADES.

THE TRUTH IS THE president who signed it into law, knowing it was only supposed to be TEMPORARY, warned not to let it become permanent because he knew all of this would happen.

The TRUTH is the politicians on BOTH sides have known for a long time that their mismanagement of and dipping into Social Security - as if it was their own govt spending accounts and how they have decided supporting illegals and adding massive debt was more important that ensuring our money stayed our money - was going to eventually dry up the funds and collapse the program.

The GOP presented some ways to change Social Security to save it and run it more responsibly - ways that would cause some pain but not as much eventual pain as continuing the status quo and letting it collapse. The Democrats refused to entertain the ideas and went for the short-term benefit of demonizing the GOP for 'wanting to take away your social security.

So the train continues to fly uncontrollably down the track towards the bridge over the ravine where there is a section of track missing....

2. All I know is that the US govt has in its possession a great deal of MY money that it has STOLEN from me involuntarily over several decades and continues to do so - 'IN MY BEST INTEREST - with the promise of eventually giving me back SOME if it.

All I know is if the govt ever ends the Social Security program SOMEBODY in the federal govt is going to cut me a damn check for all of MY money they have taken for DECADES.

If not, I will be one the pitch fork and torch-carrying 'villagers' who storm Pelosi and her politician buddies' 2nd and 3rd homes to claim them or some portion of them for myself since they acquired their multiple homes and wealth using ny social Security and other tax money!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

I'm not a Republican, but it's possible to oppose a program you 'paid into'. Even while you expect to get your money back. It's possible to dismantle the program in a sane way - stop requiring young people to pay into it, pay off the people who did, and wash our hands of it. Stop pretending otherwise.

And then we will find more people working until they die, more homeless senior citizens and a greater gulf between the haves and the have nots.

Do some research and look at census records from before Social Security. These records show a large number of people housed at the same address, and most are widows and their children, or workers hurt on the job, or too old to work. Many were Civil War Vets who lost limbs and were mustered out with less than nothing, missing an arm, a leg, a hand and a future.

These people will live in poor houses; let's not pretend such will not once again be common if the Republican and even the Libertarian Party ideology becomes the new normal.

 

[jc456]

1. Democrats have been trying to scare the crap out of Americans and into voting for them based off the lie that the bad ol' Republicans were going to steal their Social Security for DECADES.

THE TRUTH IS THE president who signed it into law, knowing it was only supposed to be TEMPORARY, warned not to let it become permanent because he knew all of this would happen.

The TRUTH is the politicians on BOTH sides have known for a long time that their mismanagement of and dipping into Social Security - as if it was their own govt spending accounts and how they have decided supporting illegals and adding massive debt was more important that ensuring our money stayed our money - was going to eventually dry up the funds and collapse the program.

The GOP presented some ways to change Social Security to save it and run it more responsibly - ways that would cause some pain but not as much eventual pain as continuing the status quo and letting it collapse. The Democrats refused to entertain the ideas and went for the short-term benefit of demonizing the GOP for 'wanting to take away your social security.

So the train continues to fly uncontrollably down the track towards the bridge over the ravine where there is a section of track missing....

2. All I know is that the US govt has in its possession a great deal of MY money that it has STOLEN from me involuntarily over several decades and continues to do so - 'IN MY BEST INTEREST - with the promise of eventually giving me back SOME if it.

All I know is if the govt ever ends the Social Security program SOMEBODY in the federal govt is going to cut me a damn check for all of MY money they have taken for DECADES.

If not, I will be one the pitch fork and torch-carrying 'villagers' who storm Pelosi and her politician buddies' 2nd and 3rd homes to claim them or some portion of them for myself since they acquired their multiple homes and wealth using ny social Security and other tax money!

I want my interest. All 46 years of it.

 

[dblack]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

I'm not a Republican, but it's possible to oppose a program you 'paid into'. Even while you expect to get your money back. It's possible to dismantle the program in a sane way - stop requiring young people to pay into it, pay off the people who did, and wash our hands of it. Stop pretending otherwise.

And then we will find more people working until they die, more homeless ...

Maybe. Maybe not. My point is that it's perfectly reasonable to get rid of a program you've 'paid into your entire life', if you think the program is wrong.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

 

[jc456]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

global warming?

 

[sealybobo]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

No, it's been true for 50 years. You Republicans have denied it. Some of you don't believe Republicans would try or get away with it but we know they've tried in the past and are getting away with it now.

And most of you don't like the program. You know it's socialism in your world. So don't pretend you want to keep it going. You would love to break it like you did the unions.

Disingenuous fuckers. Lying ignorant evil stupid fuckers. Some of you are evil and some of you are dumb. Are you rich? Then you're dumb af.

 

[sealybobo]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

global warming?

Global warming is another one. It's a fucking fact just like evolution yet somehow with Republicans the science isn't settled.

No it's not the corporations who profit from pollution that are the liars.

God Republicans are dumb. I hate half this country. The Bush years are officially back. I remember feeling this way about 2003.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

global warming?

Global warming is another one. It's a fucking fact just like evolution yet somehow with Republicans the science isn't settled.

No it's not the corporations who profit from pollution that are the liars.

God Republicans are dumb. I hate half this country. The Bush years are officially back. I remember feeling this way about 2003.

I understand completely. I despise Democrats from the very bottom of my being. I would support them being dumped at sea.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

global warming?

Global warming is another one. It's a fucking fact just like evolution yet somehow with Republicans the science isn't settled.

No it's not the corporations who profit from pollution that are the liars.

God Republicans are dumb. I hate half this country. The Bush years are officially back. I remember feeling this way about 2003.

I understand completely. I despise Democrats from the very bottom of my being. I would support them being dumped at sea.

I suppose that's better than putting them in ovens, but it doesn't make you any better than those who choose ovens over sea water.

I suppose you would put a sword into their side as did that Roman Soldier to Jesus, so the blood would bring forth the sharks.

Then you could blame Democrats for their support protecting sharks from the horrific war on them by stealing their fins causing them to drown.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Democrats have been saying that republicans are going to take social security away for at least 50 years. It's like their pavlovian bell.

global warming?

Global warming is another one. It's a fucking fact just like evolution yet somehow with Republicans the science isn't settled.

No it's not the corporations who profit from pollution that are the liars.

God Republicans are dumb. I hate half this country. The Bush years are officially back. I remember feeling this way about 2003.

I understand completely. I despise Democrats from the very bottom of my being. I would support them being dumped at sea.

I suppose that's better than putting them in ovens, but it doesn't make you any better than those who choose ovens over sea water.

I suppose you would put a sword into their side as did that Roman Soldier to Jesus, so the blood would bring forth the sharks.

Then you could blame Democrats for their support protecting sharks from the horrific war on them by stealing their fins causing them to drown.

The Jews that Hitler shoveled into ovens were innocent. Democrats are evil and certainly guilty of wanting to destroy the country. Benedict Arnold did not get sympathy nor understanding.