Will Republicans end social security?

[sealybobo]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

 

[Correll]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

 

[sealybobo]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

If anything, the good economic performance paradoxically will hurt the GOP. Why? Because it’s not trickling down to ordinary people. Voters hear news reports and claims about the strong economy but know that their own wages are still lousy. This reinforces their sense that someone else is making off with the gains. And the statistics bear them out. Because of structural changes in the job market, real wages adjusted for inflation are actually flat.

 

[Correll]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

If anything, the good economic performance paradoxically will hurt the GOP. Why? Because it’s not trickling down to ordinary people. Voters hear news reports and claims about the strong economy but know that their own wages are still lousy. This reinforces their sense that someone else is making off with the gains. And the statistics bear them out. Because of structural changes in the job market, real wages adjusted for inflation are actually flat.

1. If wages continue to resist the increasing pressure.

2. Nothing in the article about why this is.

 

[healthmyths]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

If anything, the good economic performance paradoxically will hurt the GOP. Why? Because it’s not trickling down to ordinary people. Voters hear news reports and claims about the strong economy but know that their own wages are still lousy. This reinforces their sense that someone else is making off with the gains. And the statistics bear them out. Because of structural changes in the job market, real wages adjusted for inflation are actually flat.

"not trickling down to ordinary people" "their own wages are still lousy"

Ok... There is NOTHING you've offered as proof for these two statements.
A) Proof middle class is shrinking ...why? because they are moving up!
B) Wages are still lousy:
From March 2017 to March 2018, total private average weekly earnings went up in 281 metropolitan areas, decreased in 106 areas, and were unchanged in 1 area. The largest over-the-year percentage gains in weekly earnings occurred in Valdosta, Georgia (+28.2 percent), Staunton-Waynesboro, Virginia (+23.3 percent), and Merced, California (+20.8 percent).
Average weekly earnings up in 281 metropolitan areas for year ending March 2018 : The Economics Daily: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

 

[dblack]

No way will Republican end Social Security. For the same reason they won't repeal ACA. They love power.

 

[sealybobo]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

If anything, the good economic performance paradoxically will hurt the GOP. Why? Because it’s not trickling down to ordinary people. Voters hear news reports and claims about the strong economy but know that their own wages are still lousy. This reinforces their sense that someone else is making off with the gains. And the statistics bear them out. Because of structural changes in the job market, real wages adjusted for inflation are actually flat.

"not trickling down to ordinary people" "their own wages are still lousy"

Ok... There is NOTHING you've offered as proof for these two statements.
A) Proof middle class is shrinking ...why? because they are moving up!
B) Wages are still lousy:
From March 2017 to March 2018, total private average weekly earnings went up in 281 metropolitan areas, decreased in 106 areas, and were unchanged in 1 area. The largest over-the-year percentage gains in weekly earnings occurred in Valdosta, Georgia (+28.2 percent), Staunton-Waynesboro, Virginia (+23.3 percent), and Merced, California (+20.8 percent).
Average weekly earnings up in 281 metropolitan areas for year ending March 2018 : The Economics Daily: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics



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Nice chart

For most U.S. workers, real wages have barely budged in decades

Trump and his oil buddies gave you a little tax break but Shell will take it all back

Michigan gas prices reach more than $3 a gallon

But the rich made out bigly.

 

[my2¢]

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Thanks for posting the chart. Yesterday I was wondering about the success of our social welfare system. Low income showing only a 8.5% drop over 49 years to me seems dismal.

Now back to the matter of Social Security, I believe many think its worth only in terms of the elders. They overlook the value it provides young families in regards to a sort of life insurance if a parent dies.

 

[bendog]

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Thanks for posting the chart. Yesterday I was wondering about the success of our social welfare system. Low income showing only a 8.5% drop over 49 years to me seems dismal.

Now back to the matter of Social Security, I believe many think its worth only in terms of the elders. They overlook the value it provides young families in regards to a sort of life insurance if a parent dies.

For me the worst part of Trump somehow winning was the issue of entitlements being pushed aside for protectionism and social wedge issues.

 

[healthmyths]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Same story with the tax cut. Republicans thought it would give them bragging rights with voters. But so little of it actually trickles down that Republican candidates have stopped bragging about it. Rather, Democrats hit pay dirt when they emphasize that the immense deficit created by the 10-year cuts have become the excuse for Republicans to target cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

The Economy Won't Save Republicans In The Midterms | HuffPost

Agreed. Tax cuts are the Right fighting the LAST WAR.


Tax rates have decreased enough. TRADE AND IMMIGRATION are the issues that made Trump and what he needs to focus on.

If anything, the good economic performance paradoxically will hurt the GOP. Why? Because it’s not trickling down to ordinary people. Voters hear news reports and claims about the strong economy but know that their own wages are still lousy. This reinforces their sense that someone else is making off with the gains. And the statistics bear them out. Because of structural changes in the job market, real wages adjusted for inflation are actually flat.

"not trickling down to ordinary people" "their own wages are still lousy"

Ok... There is NOTHING you've offered as proof for these two statements.
A) Proof middle class is shrinking ...why? because they are moving up!
B) Wages are still lousy:
From March 2017 to March 2018, total private average weekly earnings went up in 281 metropolitan areas, decreased in 106 areas, and were unchanged in 1 area. The largest over-the-year percentage gains in weekly earnings occurred in Valdosta, Georgia (+28.2 percent), Staunton-Waynesboro, Virginia (+23.3 percent), and Merced, California (+20.8 percent).
Average weekly earnings up in 281 metropolitan areas for year ending March 2018 : The Economics Daily: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics



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Nice chart

For most U.S. workers, real wages have barely budged in decades

Trump and his oil buddies gave you a little tax break but Shell will take it all back

Michigan gas prices reach more than $3 a gallon

But the rich made out bigly.

Once again.. Hyperbolic statements like "Shell will take it all back" Are you crazy?

Michigan will have the sixth-highest gas taxes in the country, up from 18th,
according to an American Petroleum Institute analysis of rates in effect as of Nov. 1. Only Pennsylvania, Washington, Hawaii, New York and New Jersey will rank higher.
You will pay about 57.3 cents a gallon, including the 18.4-cent federal gas tax.
Michigan's rank can fluctuate with prices because it is among a small number of states to also apply the sales tax to gas. Diesel taxes will be seventh-highest.

2017 brings higher fuel, vehicle taxes in Michigan

 

[healthmyths]

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Thanks for posting the chart. Yesterday I was wondering about the success of our social welfare system. Low income showing only a 8.5% drop over 49 years to me seems dismal.

Now back to the matter of Social Security, I believe many think its worth only in terms of the elders. They overlook the value it provides young families in regards to a sort of life insurance if a parent dies.

For me the worst part of Trump somehow winning was the issue of entitlements being pushed aside for protectionism and social wedge issues.

You sound like a parrot. "entitlements" ??? WHAT entitlements are you describing?
"Protectionism"? So it was OK for this?

A Jeep Wrangler can cost $30,000 more in China than in the United States — and the reasons illustrate a growing point of tension between the two countries.
Manufactured in Toledo, Ohio, the Wrangler is a descendant of the jeeps that were used by American forces in World War II. Equipped with a 3.6-liter engine and a five-speed automatic transmission, the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler has a suggested retail price of $40,530 in the United States.
But in China, the same vehicle would set a buyer back by a hefty $71,000, mostly because of taxes that Beijing charges on every car, minivan and sport utility vehicle that is made in another country and brought to China’s shores.
China’s Taxes on Imported Cars Feed Trade Tensions With U.S.

Is that fair?

Steel/aluminum tariffs. Why were these important?
Again facts against your hyperbole...

Top 10 Steel Producing Countries In The World

Now when was the USA # 1?
List of countries by steel production - Wikipedia
The last time according to the above the USA was the # 1 was 1967.

Why is that important? National security. Do you really want the USA to depend on China for steel to build warships,airplanes, etc?

FACTS are Trump is right regarding national security being important in at least keeping SoME steel/aluminum manufacturing in the USA!

 

[bendog]

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Thanks for posting the chart. Yesterday I was wondering about the success of our social welfare system. Low income showing only a 8.5% drop over 49 years to me seems dismal.

Now back to the matter of Social Security, I believe many think its worth only in terms of the elders. They overlook the value it provides young families in regards to a sort of life insurance if a parent dies.

For me the worst part of Trump somehow winning was the issue of entitlements being pushed aside for protectionism and social wedge issues.

You sound like a parrot. "entitlements" ??? WHAT entitlements are you describing?
"Protectionism"? So it was OK for this?

A Jeep Wrangler can cost $30,000 more in China than in the United States — and the reasons illustrate a growing point of tension between the two countries.
Manufactured in Toledo, Ohio, the Wrangler is a descendant of the jeeps that were used by American forces in World War II. Equipped with a 3.6-liter engine and a five-speed automatic transmission, the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler has a suggested retail price of $40,530 in the United States.
But in China, the same vehicle would set a buyer back by a hefty $71,000, mostly because of taxes that Beijing charges on every car, minivan and sport utility vehicle that is made in another country and brought to China’s shores.
China’s Taxes on Imported Cars Feed Trade Tensions With U.S.

Is that fair?

Steel/aluminum tariffs. Why were these important?
Again facts against your hyperbole...
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Top 10 Steel Producing Countries In The World

Now when was the USA # 1?
List of countries by steel production - Wikipedia
The last time according to the above the USA was the # 1 was 1967.

Why is that important? National security. Do you really want the USA to depend on China for steel to build warships,airplanes, etc?

FACTS are Trump is right regarding national security being important in at least keeping SoME steel/aluminum manufacturing in the USA!

It's a legal term, one employed by federal courts, which of course is why you wouldn't understand it, *****

 

[healthmyths]

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Thanks for posting the chart. Yesterday I was wondering about the success of our social welfare system. Low income showing only a 8.5% drop over 49 years to me seems dismal.

Now back to the matter of Social Security, I believe many think its worth only in terms of the elders. They overlook the value it provides young families in regards to a sort of life insurance if a parent dies.

For me the worst part of Trump somehow winning was the issue of entitlements being pushed aside for protectionism and social wedge issues.

You sound like a parrot. "entitlements" ??? WHAT entitlements are you describing?
"Protectionism"? So it was OK for this?

A Jeep Wrangler can cost $30,000 more in China than in the United States — and the reasons illustrate a growing point of tension between the two countries.
Manufactured in Toledo, Ohio, the Wrangler is a descendant of the jeeps that were used by American forces in World War II. Equipped with a 3.6-liter engine and a five-speed automatic transmission, the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler has a suggested retail price of $40,530 in the United States.
But in China, the same vehicle would set a buyer back by a hefty $71,000, mostly because of taxes that Beijing charges on every car, minivan and sport utility vehicle that is made in another country and brought to China’s shores.
China’s Taxes on Imported Cars Feed Trade Tensions With U.S.

Is that fair?

Steel/aluminum tariffs. Why were these important?
Again facts against your hyperbole...
View attachment 210038
Top 10 Steel Producing Countries In The World

Now when was the USA # 1?
List of countries by steel production - Wikipedia
The last time according to the above the USA was the # 1 was 1967.

Why is that important? National security. Do you really want the USA to depend on China for steel to build warships,airplanes, etc?

FACTS are Trump is right regarding national security being important in at least keeping SoME steel/aluminum manufacturing in the USA!

It's a legal term, one employed by federal courts, which of course is why you wouldn't understand it, *****

en·ti·tle·ment inˈtīdlmənt,enˈtīdlmənt/ noun plural noun: entitlements

1. the fact of having a right to something.
   "full entitlement to fees and maintenance should be offered"
   synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
   
   • the amount to which a person has a right.
     "annual leave entitlement"
     synonyms: right, prerogative, claim; More
     
     

the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment."no wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

So WHAT rights or fees are being pushed aside by "protectionism"?
This is what you are implying that President Trump's efforts to have "FAIR" trade deals. So what rights/etc. are being "pushed aside"?
FACTS give me facts otherwise your are a hysterical, illogical, illiterate example of a person that parrot what they feel is "good". Certainly a dumb justification.

 

[sealybobo]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Because it's socialism in their eyes.

Rubio’s New Paid Leave Bill Threatens The Very Idea Of Social Security, Report Finds | HuffPost

 

[sealybobo]

The paid maternity and paternity leave bill proposed by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) would offer meaningful benefits for new parents but only at a grave cost to Americans’ retirement savings and the core idea of Social Security, according to a new analysis from the Urban Institute.

The nonpartisan think-tank is the first to delve deeply into the particulars of Rubio’s bill, which he unveiled in early August. It’s unclear whether it has enough GOP support to even get off the ground, but the idea of paid leave has been gaining favor with Republicans recently thanks, in part, to the efforts of White House aide and first daughter Ivanka Trump.

Unlike the paid leave bill supported by congressional Democrats that is funded by a small payroll tax paid by employees and employers, Rubio’s Economic Security For New Parents Act taps Social Security funds. The bill provides new parents anywhere from 55 to 80 percent of their regular pre-tax pay for two or three months, but it “borrows” from their future retirement accounts to do so.

The bill’s supporters say the only cost to parents is a slight delay in retirement ― which is fine, they say, since Americans want to work longer anyway. Rubio has also touted the bill as “budget neutral.”

Neither claim is quite accurate, the new report shows.

Chip chip chip away

 

[sealybobo]

A parent using Rubio’s leave benefit would see a significant lifetime reduction in Social Security benefits ― between 3 and 10 percent, according to the report.

This is because those who take leave would have to pay back the money, with interest, upon retirement, and at that point, it could be as much as four times what they took out, the new analysis found.

“There’s already a concern about retirement security and income. And people are increasingly entering retirement with mortgages and other kinds of debt,” said Richard W. Johnson, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute who co-authored the report. “The idea we would reduce those retirement incomes further is scary.”

Taking the bill’s version of parental leave would be voluntary, Rubio has pointed out. But new parents would be making that choice based on limited information since it’s difficult to predict what your retirement needs will be decades down the line.

And despite Rubio’s assurances of budget neutrality, the report finds that the legislation would actually cost the federal government an additional $10 billion annually. While parents would ultimately “pay back” the money used for leave, that money wouldn’t be shelled out for many decades, and the U.S. Treasury would float the costs in the meantime. Nor would all of the money be paid back, as some leave-takers would inevitably need to leave the workforce earlier than anticipated or die before reaching retirement age.

 

[sealybobo]

No such thing would ever happen, period.

They should raise the retirement age to 70, though. And index the eligibility age to 9 percent of the population going forward.

Told you so stupid

MITCH MCCONNELL CALLS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, MEDICAID CUTS AFTER PASSING TAX CUTS, MASSIVE DEFENSE SPENDING

Mitch McConnell says deficit ballooned because of Social Security, Medicare, not Republican Tax Cuts

After instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

 

[sealybobo]

Why would I want to do away with something I have paying into my entire working life?

Do you vote Republican? Then ask yourself that question. Why are you voting to do away with something you paid into your entire life?

After instituting a $1.5 trillion tax cut and signing off on a $675 billion budget for the Department of Defense, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the only way to lower the record-high federal deficit would be to cut entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Mitch McConnell says deficit ballooned because of Social Security, Medicare, not Republican Tax Cuts

 

[sealybobo]

No. What is the next dumb question?

Mitch McConnell says deficit ballooned because of Social Security, Medicare, not Republican Tax Cuts

 

[sealybobo]

It will be very unpopular and po!itical suicide.

We shall see. So far I don't hear a peep out of the liberal media telling people that Republicans are suggesting

Mitch McConnell says deficit ballooned because of Social Security, Medicare, not Republican Tax Cuts