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Weird... I have been teaching in yeshivas for over 30 years and we never taught that. Anything else you want to claim insight into?
So now you are contradicting what you said before? Weird.

I remember once walking past a yeshiva where a few students were talking very excited so I asked them what was up and one opened the book of the Law and told me that they just learned that when the messiah comes he will reveal hidden meaning in the Law and people will slap themselves on the forehead because it would be so astonishingly obvious to all.
Yes, but this has to do with the arcane and mystical levels that are reached by obeying the law. You are taking their bit of learning, third hand, and then trying to push it through your lens. It just shows how little you know.

You suck at acting.
 
"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father; My God and their God."

By saying that his God was their God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claim to be God. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.
Only if you ignore everything else in post #74. What you are quoting is proof of the trinity being three separate "persons."
 
So you are practicing member of the only branch of Judaism allowed to exist by the romans,
Allowed to exist? Lol
the exact same school of thought that Jesus argued against
Actually, he spoke FOR it.
You even dismiss the writings of the JEWISH Dead Sea community that was keeping secret the hidden meaning of the Law from everyone including other Jewish people? Fascinating!
Just because someone is Jewish doesn't make what he writes automatically part of Judaism and Jewish thought. The essenes were very different and the texts are not part of Judaism.
 
So now you are contradicting what you said before? Weird.
Show me.
Yes, but this has to do with the arcane and mystical levels that are reached by obeying the law. You are taking their bit of learning, third hand, and then trying to push it through your lens. It just shows how little you know.

You suck at acting.
None of that contradicts what I said. You need to work on your comprehension skills.
 
Show me.

None of that contradicts what I said. You need to work on your comprehension skills.
I said yeshiva students told me they were taught that there was hidden teaching in the book of the Law that once revealed by the Moshiach they will slap themselves on the forehead because it will be so painfully obvious to all, (except the accursed.) See Daniel 12:10

And you said YES, but it has to do with some arcane mystical bullshit..(before you denied ever hearing or teaching about that.) :auiqs.jpg:

If you don't believe me read your own words;

Yes, but this has to do with the arcane and mystical levels that are reached by obeying the law.

Weird... I have been teaching in yeshivas for over 30 years and we never taught that.
Hypocrite!

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I said yeshiva students were taught that there was hidden teaching in the book of the Law that once revealed by the Moshiach they will slap themselves on the forehead because it will be so painfully obvious to all, (except the accursed.) See Daniel 12:10

And you said YES, but it has to do with some arcane mystical bullshit..(before you denied ever hearing or teaching about that.) :auiqs.jpg:

If you don't believe me read your own words;




Hypocrite!

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You are conflating too many things. There is no secret meaning that changes what the text says and which is hidden from people. There are 2 different ideas you are mixing - one is that in Judaism there are deeper levels of meaning that are accessible to those who study and practice the religion. There are also things that are currently undecided and which will be adjudicated in messianic days. Try to keep straight what you are talking about.
 
There is no secret meaning that changes what the text says and which is hidden from people.

Yes there is. Its rather obvious. You should have slapped yourself on the forehead. Dummy.

It is impossible to comply with the literal meaning, the literal interpretation and application of the command to refrain from the flesh of swine that do not RUMINATE, without violating the deeper implications of the same exact words used in the exact same Law because "the teaching" that the subject of kashrut is food is "the flesh" of swine that do not RUMINATE.

Whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, believer, unbeliever, or whatever.


"This, he told me, is the curse that goes out over all the land. For by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away, and by the writing on the other side every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out, says the Lord of Hosts, and it shall enter the house of the thief and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It shall say inside that house and demolish it, timbers, and stones, and all." Zechariah 5:3

Have a nice day!
 
It is impossible to comply with the literal meaning
The number 613, popularized by Maimonides, represents the total body of Mosaic Law, not an individual's required daily practice, with most Jews observing only the portion applicable to them.

Iit was possible for the average ancient Jew to comply with the commandments that were applicable to them, within the framework of their religious understanding, which included concepts of repentance and atonement for shortcomings. Traditional Jewish thinking has never held that a person had to achieve a flawless, 100% obedience to earn God's favor; rather, keeping the Law was a response to the salvation God had already provided to His chosen people.

The full list of 613 Mitzvot (commandments) includes laws that applied only to specific groups (e.g., Kohanim, women, judges, or soldiers) or were dependent on specific circumstances (e.g., agricultural laws applicable only in the Land of Israel, or laws related to the Temple service which could only be observed when the Temple stood). An individual was only obligated to follow the commandments relevant to their personal status, gender, and location.

In the Book of Deuteronomy, God states that His law "is not too difficult for you, nor is it far off". This implies that the applicable commandments were considered within the capacity of the people to obey.

The existence of a detailed system of sacrifices and the concept of T'shuvah (repentance) in ancient Israelite religion and later Judaism demonstrate an understanding that people would inevitably fail to keep the commandments perfectly. The system provided a pathway to restore one's relationship with God after sin, rather than permanent condemnation.

The Law was a moral and civil code for a specific nation (ancient Israel) and was meant to set them apart from surrounding cultures. It provided a structure for a holy life and a just society, not an impossible standard of perfection for individual salvation through works.

While consistent, perfect obedience was not expected, the applicable laws were an integral and manageable part of daily life for the average ancient Jew, understood within the larger framework of a covenantal relationship with God that included mercy and forgiveness.
 
The number 613, popularized by Maimonides, represents the total body of Mosaic Law
He should have listened to his own brilliant teaching 'On the language of the prophets" and applied that to understanding the Law that came into the world through Moses, a prophet.

But then again he wasn't the messiah and knew it and also knew he was missing something important, openly acknowledged it, and prayed to God to be judged mercifully.
 
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You are conflating too many things. There is no secret meaning that changes what the text says and which is hidden from people. There are 2 different ideas you are mixing - one is that in Judaism there are deeper levels of meaning that are accessible to those who study and practice the religion. There are also things that are currently undecided and which will be adjudicated in messianic days. Try to keep straight what you are talking about.


I admit that I could be wrong but I am of the belief that near death experiencer and former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava has an absolutely massive calling on his life that could well make him a possible fulfillment of the High Priest Joshua type of leader for the Jewish people who is predicted in
Zechariah chapter three?

Rabbi Alon Anava is being listened to by Gentiles and potential Noahides in every nation on earth that can get his fascinating lectures by phone or computer.

[Zechariah 3]
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2;And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3;Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

4;And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5;And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

6;And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,

7;Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8;Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.

9;For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

10;In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.


IF Rabbi Alon Anava turns out to be somebody like the High Priest of Zechariah 3 then his name would certainly be there in The Torah Codes.


www.AlonAnava.com/











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a possible fulfillment of the High Priest Joshua type of leader for the Jewish people who is predicted in Zechariah chapter three?
Not unless he realizes that the "filthy clothes" he is dressed in have nothing to do with garments but the ridiculous belief that God gives a shit about diet fashion and human sexuality or that he will become a glorified butcher, a high priest in a silly costume, killing farm animals in the name of the Lord, in a fancy schmancy slaughterhouse, er, um, temple.
 
He should have listened to his own brilliant teaching 'On the language of the prophets" and applied that to understanding the Law that came into the world through Moses, a prophet.

But then again he wasn't the messiah and knew it and also knew he was missing something important, openly acknowledged it, and prayed to God to be judged mercifully.
What does that have to do with your idiotic contention in post #87 that it is impossible to comply with the literal meaning of the laws
 
Not unless he realizes that the "filthy clothes" he is dressed in have nothing to do with garments but the ridiculous belief that God gives a shit about diet fashion and human sexuality or that he will become a glorified butcher, a high priest in a silly costume, killing farm animals in the name of the Lord, in a fancy schmancy slaughterhouse, er, um, temple.

I cannot imagine that Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight can be fulfilled in a one hundred percent vegetarian Israel?

The goats and sheep and doves and heifers that will die will rapidly go on to a much better place than this scary third rock, [four dimensional space - time continuum] .

[Near death experiencer Robert Marshall]:

Question:

Will our Pets be in Heaven?

I am happy to say absolutely! Yes!
Those who read the book “44 HOURS IN HEAVEN” already know the answer and why I am so sure. For those who have not had the chance to read the book, I am excited to share how and why my answer is yes.

On May 19th, 2024, I died 3 times and went to Heaven each time I died. When I died the 2nd time, I went to Heaven instantly. Just like the first time I went to Heaven, I experienced the love and peace, the beauty, the smells in the air, and the feelings of being connected to everything and everyone and they were a welcoming familiarity of coming home.

Unlike the first time, I was standing at the edge of a beautiful field of tall grass that had the same beautiful trees scattered throughout. Looking to my left, in the far distance, I saw the inner courtyard and my dad was still there, but this time, my mom was there.

I looked around, still in amazement at how beautiful everything was, how magnificent and bright the colors were, how warm and loving the light, sounds, and smells that filled the air were, and how peaceful and calm it was.

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It was at this time I was treated to a surprise. Our pets that we love are in heaven!

Two horses and three dogs greeted me. The horses were Carol’s and mine; their names are Shakush and Nugget.

Shakush is a pure white Arabian who has the personality of a playful clown. He would get in the arena without Carol on his back and jump and play with her like a playful dog would do, except he was a horse and much larger, but just as gentle. Carol raised and trained Shakush herself and was the only person who rode him. Carol was and still is an excellent horseperson and rider. She glides when riding, and it is a thing of beauty to watch. When Carol and Shakush were both younger, she would show him at horse shows, and they often finished in the top 3. When Carol would ride him, he was always a perfect gentleman, and they would ride for hours in the arena and open fields. While running uphill on a trail he would buck, tossing his head in absolute joy. Regardless of the hill, the gait, or his mood, Carol could always brace herself for a joyful exuberant buck.

Nugget is a buckskin quarter horse and absolutely beautiful. She did not have the same personality as Shakush, but rather, she always acted very regal and gentle. Carol would ride Nugget, and on a rare occasion, she would share Nugget with me for a trail ride. Nugget was raised and trained by Carol just like Shakush. Both Shakush and Nugget were magnificent horses and were truly a gift and blessing from God.

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Three dogs greeted me with our two horses. Two of the dogs that greeted me are named Fudge 1 and Fudge 2 because they are dark brown and sweet, just like Fudge. We named all of our dogs Fudge, so we don’t get their name wrong when a new pet joins our family. There was a third dog that approached me in Heaven with the others, but I did not recognize her. I later learned the dog was named Annie and was Carol’s dog before we met.

Fudge 1 was a rescue dog that was a sweet little dog that would run and play his game of catch me. Of course, it was only when he decided to let us catch him that we were able to. Then he would cuddle up like the sweet dog he was. It was his way of playing.

Fudge 2 was used as a bait dog prior to our rescuing him. He wanted to be sweet and loving but had some prior issues as a result of his abuse before he became part of our family. There were times he would snap or have a flashback. It took a long time and a lot of love before he would trust us. However, he eventually did, and he turned out to be a sweet little boy. He would jump around like a kangaroo. He was unbelievably quick and would spring around like a bouncing ball. He still had flashbacks occasionally, back to when he was abused and treated so meanly. When this happened, it was as if he recognized what happened and was sorry for snapping at us, that was when we got the most loving and cuddling from him. Our best efforts did not erase his abuse on earth. In heaven he’s no longer like that. He is a happy puppy running and playing.

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The third dog's name was Annie. I didn’t know the third dog's name until I was out of the hospital and was telling Carol about going to Heaven and our pets being there. It was when I described the dog I did not recognize that she said it was her dog, Annie. Carol had Annie before I even knew her. Mystery solved.

We currently have a dog, and of course, that is Fudge 3. He is a spitting image of Fudge 2, only sweeter.

So, when I say that our pets are in Heaven, it is not just a hopeful desire; it is an eyewitness account. I saw our horses and dogs, and they were as happy as they could be, waiting for us to come home." [Robert Marshall, Forty Four Hours in Heaven Ministries]


Near death experiencer Robert Marshall reports meeting a deceased, [but also resurrected], Jewish Rabbi who seems to now have off the scale medical technology that is beyond the best of the best of the best of modern doctors and nurses.

Ezekiel chapter forty seven is a win, win, win, win, win, win scenario for ten million Israelis most Jordanians, most Palestinians, most Syrians, most Egyptians and most residents of Lebanon.

[Ezekiel 47] :

Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.

2;Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.

3;And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.

4;Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.

5;Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

7;Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8;Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9;And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10;And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

12;And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
[Ezekiel 47]
 
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it is impossible to comply with the literal meaning of the laws
....without violating the deeper implications of the exact same words used in the exact same laws.

Pop quiz!

What specific types of "religious" people come to mind when reading the command to refrain from "the flesh" of teeming vermin who go down on all fours?

Take your time.

Be brave! Coward.
 
....without violating the deeper implications of the exact same words used in the exact same laws.

Pop quiz!

What specific types of "religious" people come to mind when reading the command to refrain from "the flesh" of teeming vermin who go down on all fours?

Take your time.

Be brave! Coward.
You'll do anything to distract from your ridiculous statement in post #87 except admit you made a mistake.
 
Yes there is. Its rather obvious. You should have slapped yourself on the forehead. Dummy.

It is impossible to comply with the literal meaning, the literal interpretation and application of the command to refrain from the flesh of swine that do not RUMINATE, without violating the deeper implications of the same exact words used in the exact same Law because "the teaching" that the subject of kashrut is food is "the flesh" of swine that do not RUMINATE.

Whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, believer, unbeliever, or whatever.


"This, he told me, is the curse that goes out over all the land. For by the writing on one side every thief shall be swept clean away, and by the writing on the other side every perjurer shall be swept clean away. I have sent it out, says the Lord of Hosts, and it shall enter the house of the thief and the house of the man who has perjured himself in my name. It shall say inside that house and demolish it, timbers, and stones, and all." Zechariah 5:3

Have a nice day!
So you just make things up. That's nice. Jews will continue to ignore your rantings then.
 
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I cannot imagine that Ezekiel chapters forty to forty eight can be fulfilled in a one hundred percent vegetarian Israel?
It doesn't matter what you eat, what goes into your mouth and out of your ass that defiles a person. What defiles is what goes into your mind and out of your mouth. Ask Jesus.

The goats and sheep and doves and heifers that will die will rapidly go on to a much better place than this scary third rock.
When Jesus spoke of separating sheep from goats what's the subject? When Jesus told Peter "Feed my sheep" what's the subject? When he spoke of wolves in sheeps clothing what's the subject? When he said about his return after the disciples asked how they would find him and said, "Where the vultures gather there lies the corpse" what's the subject? When he said "don't give your pearls to the swine, don't give what is holy to the dogs" what's the subject?

What is the scarlet beast, bound to be slaughtered by the messiah, a reference to? A cow?

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Try to think as if your life depended on it because it does.
 
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It doesn't matter what you eat, what goes into your mouth and out of your ass that defiles a person. Its about what goes into your mind and out of your mouth. Ask Jesus.


When Jesus spoke of separating sheep from goats what is the subject? When Jesus told Peter "Feed my sheep" what is the subject? When he spoke of wolves in sheeps clothing what is the subject? When he said about his return after the disciples asked how they would find him and said, "Where the vultures gather there lies the corpse" what is the subject?

What is the scarlet beast, bound to be slaughtered by the messiah, a reference to? A cow?

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Try to think as if your life depended on it because it does.
Ok, these are good questions. When Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus spoke of sheep vs goats He was speaking about people.

When Cephas -Peter was told to "feed My sheep" Peter knew that it was people being referred to.

Wolves in sheep's clothing really mean people who act as if they are interested in theology and spirituality but they are actually more interested in building their own little kingdom or house or sphere of influence.

That question about vultures and a "body" is very interesting and I am not so sure about that one but my off the top of my head guess would be the trained individuals from seventy nations who gather near Israel who seem to be thinking that the nation of Israel is without real defences. Those people are incorrect, Ten million Israelis have a level of defence far above the I.D.F.

The Scarlet Beast is a fascinating topic! I am of the belief that a rather brilliant spiritual leader will rise up who will appear to be "wiser than Daniel" but the support that this guy gets will set the stage for the true fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen. To a degree the "Scarlet Beast" is made somewhat more clear by what was shown to near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley during his brush with death in 1975.



[Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley ] :

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services."
(Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

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You'll do anything to distract from your ridiculous statement in post #87 except admit you made a mistake.
Mistake? I just gave another clear example how the creatures in kosher law represent human archetypes. Swine that do not ruminate are people just like you who "just believe" in the ridiculous without thinking.

THIS IS NOT KOSHER.

Maybe a picture of one teeming vermin who goes down on all fours will help but I doubt it.

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THIS IS NOT KOSHER. Whatever evil bastard taught them to do this.
 
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