Zone1 Will Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus be adopted soon by many Jewish scholars?

[rosends]

You forgot to include the entire sentence.

"There is no such thing as noahide community, 7 Laws just for Gentiles. It's all pure bullshit." All people of every nation people language belief or unbelief suffer the death, a curse, for eating the flesh of unclean creatures. Nothing about kashrut in the 7 noahide Laws. They must be really gullible and proponents very clever beguiling them into Gehenna.

Its like claiming there is a community that worship a Jewish sacrificial mangod born on Mithras birthday. There may be billions of "believers" but that doesn't detract from the fact that its all bullshit.

Noah lived long before Moses. God, through Moses, gave the law to the Jewish people as "a light to the nations". What is the light of the Law if not the teaching in the Law? And if the Law was just for the Jewish people how is it that even Christians who violate the law whether knowing or unknowing experience the effect consequent to the degrading practice of idolatry forbidden by the Law under penalty of death, a curse? And what was HIDDEN from the Jewish laity by the Dead Sea community during the time of Jesus if not the deeper implications of the words used in the Law making the talmud obsolete bullshit.

And how do you resolve your position that you have been following the Law correctly for thousands of years even though history shows that the Jewish people have been suffering for thousands of years the long detailed list of maledictions promised by Moses unless you didn't fulfill the Laws demands by failing to grasp the deeper implications easily understood and fulfilled by anyone with a second grade education? Teaching is a long established metaphor for food in the Torah. Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

"Come all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money, without cost. Why spend money on that which is not bread, and your labor on that which does not satisfy? Listen carefully to me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of foods.


Right, the covenant was to make his name known in the world by giving the law as a light to the nations. Mission accomplished. What then? Dick around over whats for dinner and what to wear? Pft.

You might think you were blessed by receiving the Law but history, in agreement with Moses, seems to describe a terrifying curse for failing to comply with the Law. Do you think there will ever come a Jewish person who will comply with the literal letter of the Law more perfectly than Jewish people have been doing, straining at a gnat for thousands of years?

Where is the promise of abundant blessings peace and life promised for doing so? Did God lie? Is he sleeping? Maybe he didn't notice that you never ate bacon EVER in your entire life?

Can't you read the writing on the wall? For Christs sake, do something about it. Be opened. WAKE UP! Arguing with me when your position is indefensible isn't going to help you out one bit when the shit hits the fan, again, unless you follow me into the sanctuary of God.

Just like every Christian and Muslim out there you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.


sure.


Now thats truly irrational, not to mention desperate and pathetic. Psst! You are not invisible.

The Law cuts both ways. Its a choice between a blessing or a curse depending how you understand and do it. Jesus made it clear that the talmud renders the Law null and void.

Failing to grasp the subject of kashrut is teaching not food condemns everyone to Gehenna.

You are either terribly misinformed or lying your ass off. You should study other texts more.

This mass of lunacy defies any attempt to answer it's points because it is so mired in nonsense. You don't understand Judaism, Jewish history or Jewish law. You don't know the texts. Go and enjoy your life, ignorant of Judaism.

 

[BreezeWood]

Go and enjoy your life, ignorant of Judaism.

better yet knowing judaism full well and choosing truth over fallacy.

who's ignorant are those who knowingly perpetuate the lies of judaism - there are any heavenly personifications for any of their claims ... as their phony 10 commandments.

 

[hobelim]

This mass of lunacy defies any attempt to answer it's points because it is so mired in nonsense. You don't understand Judaism, Jewish history or Jewish law. You don't know the texts. Go and enjoy your life, ignorant of Judaism.

I'm sure it may seem that way to you but I assure you it only seems that way.

I understand Judaism Jewish history and Jewish Law and everything you profess to believe in and hope for. You don't know anything about me. I studied Judaism for years living in Borough Park among the Hasidim. There is where my mind was opened to understand what Jesus was talking about. Its really simple. The Law was never intended to be taken literally by the intelligent. Kosher law was never about dicking around about whats for dinner. Derp.

Your pusillanimous response shows that you understand neither scripture nor the power of God. What you also have to face is that the vast majority of Jewish people including you have been mislead by a few sanctimonious actors and lying frauds for thousands of years so they could lead smooth easy lives off the suffering and backs of the beguiled. Disgusting

What you also have to face is that there will never again be a fancy schmancy temple built where a glorified butcher in a silly costume slaughters farm animals in the name of the Lord.

For a nominal service charge.

Those days are gone forever and were over a very very long time ago.

So tell me, mr smarty pants, what secret meaning was being withheld from and deliberately HIDDEN from the Jewish laity 2000 years ago by the Dead Sea community if not what I have explained clearly enough for any person of any belief with a second grade public education which is exactly what Jesus lived and died trying to reveal to the Jewish people?

Take your time.....

 

[rosends]

I'm sure it may seem that way to you but I assure you it only seems that way.

I understand Judaism Jewish history and Jewish Law and everything you profess to believe in and hope for. You don't know anything about me. I studied Judaism for years living in Borough Park among the Hasidim. There is where my mind was opened to understand what Jesus was talking about. Its really simple. The Law was never intended to be taken literally by the intelligent. Kosher law was never about dicking around about whats for dinner. Derp.

Your pusillanimous response shows that you understand neither scripture nor the power of God. What you also have to face is that the vast majority of Jewish people including you have been mislead by a few sanctimonious actors and lying frauds for thousands of years so they could lead smooth easy lives off the suffering and backs of the beguiled. Disgusting

What you also have to face is that there will never again be a fancy schmancy temple built where a glorified butcher in a silly costume slaughters farm animals in the name of the Lord.

For a nominal service charge.

Those days are gone forever and were over a very very long time ago.

So tell me, mr smarty pants, what secret meaning was being withheld from and deliberately HIDDEN from the Jewish laity 2000 years ago by the Dead Sea community if not what I have explained clearly enough for any person of any belief with a second grade public education which is exactly what Jesus lived and died trying to reveal to the Jewish people?

Take your time.....

Nothing was hidden. Jesus is irrelevant. Jewish law is Jewish law. You know nothing of Judaism.

 

[Meriweather]

Nothing was hidden. Jesus is irrelevant. Jewish law is Jewish law. You know nothing of Judaism.

Jesus (the Word of God) is not irrelevant. No one who speaks the word of God is.

 

[rosends]

Jesus (the Word of God) is not irrelevant. No one who speaks the word of God is.

So he is relevant to you. Not to Jews. According to Jews, he has nothing to do with God.

 

[Meriweather]

So he is relevant to you. Not to Jews. According to Jews, he has nothing to do with God.

Jesus, the Word of God, is--and has been--relevant to the world. This brings up the question, Is the world relevant to God? If so, isn't God's Word relevant? I understand people of the Jewish faith get along without Jesus. Jesus drew many more to God's word with God's word. I've often wondered why it suits Jews to overlook this.

 

[rosends]

Jesus, the Word of God, is--and has been--relevant to the world. This brings up the question, Is the world relevant to God? If so, isn't God's Word relevant? I understand people of the Jewish faith get along without Jesus. Jesus drew many more to God's word with God's word. I've often wondered why it suits Jews to overlook this.

You wonder but I have already told you. Jesus has nothing to do with God, so what you can't figure out is plainly obvious to us.

 

[hobelim]

Nothing was hidden. Jesus is irrelevant. Jewish law is Jewish law.

Nothing was hidden? You know nothing about Judaism or Jewish Law except the death consequent for defying the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate and defying the command of God to be "a light to the nations" by trying to keep HIDDEN even from other Jews what has already been openly revealed. Tsk tsk.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law. (Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline)

"The kingdom of heaven is like HIDDEN treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, so that you will know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel has summoned you by name."

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

 

[rosends]

Nothing was hidden? You know nothing about Judaism.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law. (Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline)

"The kingdom of heaven is like HIDDEN treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

"I will give you treasures from dark vaults, hoarded in secret places, so that you will know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel has summoned you by name."

"Time was when many were aghast at you, my people, so now many nations recoil at sight of him, and kings curl their lips in disgust; for they see what they had never been told and things unheard before fill their thoughts."

What does any of this have to do with Judaism? Come on, you can tell me. In Judaism, knowledge is not kept away from the layman -- in fact, it is encouraged. When you feel like learning about what Judaism actually is, feel free to ask.

 

[hobelim]

What does any of this have to do with Judaism?

Are you hard of reading?

On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to REMAIN ACANE TO THE ORDINARY LAYMAN, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.

(Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline)

Come on, you can tell me. In Judaism, knowledge is not kept away from the layman

If that was true then every Jewish person on earth would already know that kosher Law was never about food, but teaching. The creatures described whether clean or unclean are metaphors for human archetypes used in every language, nation, people, and tribe to either praise or insult other people ever since people could talk. Why is this above your grasp?

Don't you even have an inkling how profane it is to ascribed to God a carnal obsession with diet, fashion, and the sexual preferences of consenting adults worthy of a capricious and puerile petty tyrant and salacious creep? Take that truth and eat it. No such God exists.

I remember once walking past a yeshiva where a few students were talking very excited so I asked them what was up and one opened the book of the Law and told me that they just learned that when the messiah comes he will reveal hidden meaning in the Law and people will slap themselves on the forehead because it would be so astonishingly obvious to all.

JESUS DID THIS THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO AND I HAVE SHOWN YOU HOW.

You have been given the Law as "a light to the nations" but you have never mastered it.

Do yourself a favor. Slap yourself on the forehead. It will be far easier than trying to deny it.

If you don't believe me read a history book.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus has nothing to do with God

Except...Jesus had/has everything to do with God.

 

[hobelim]

so what you can't figure out is plainly obvious to us.

How many of you are there?

 

[rosends]

Are you hard of reading?

On the appointment of presbyters.

Those have no meaning in Judaism so repeating it is useless.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.

(Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline)

Unrelated to Judaism. Try again.

If that was true then every Jewish person on earth would already know that kosher Law was never about food, but teaching.

That's not true. You have developed your own, personal vision of the purpose of the law. That isn't anything a Jew cares about.

The creatures described whether clean or unclean are metaphors

Says you, not Judaism.

I remember once walking past a yeshiva where a few students were talking very excited so I asked them what was up and one opened the book of the Law and told me that they just learned that when the messiah comes he will reveal hidden meaning in the Law and people will slap themselves on the forehead because it would be so astonishingly obvious to all.

Yes, but this has to do with the arcane and mystical levels that are reached by obeying the law. You are taking their bit of learning, third hand, and then trying to push it through your lens. It just shows how little you know.

You have been given the Law as "a light to the nations" but you have never mastered it.

Show me that in the text.

When you decide to learn about Judaism, feel free to ask questions. You have a lot of ground to cover.

 

[rosends]

Except...Jesus had/has everything to do with God.

According to your non Jewish world view.

 

[rosends]

How many of you are there?

At least 2 million. Why?

 

[hobelim]

At least 2 million. Why?

Why? Because when anyone refers to themself in the plural they either think of themself as royalty or are speaking for an indwelling crowd, UNAWARE.

Either way the prognosis is not good.

You are the least qualified to speak for Judaism or any other Jewish person. There are many Jewish people out there who see people like you as some sort of family embarrassment.

Now you know. So chew this over, if you can;

No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord.


ITS THE LAW.

 

[hobelim]

Yes, but this has to do with the arcane and mystical levels that are reached by obeying the law.

There is nothing mystical or arcane about the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not RUMINATE as long as a person has the intelligence to understand that this Law has nothing whatever to do with what goes into your mouth and then flushed down the toilet but everything to do with that goes into your mind and out of your mouth.

That is what defiles a person. Not pork chops... DUH!

You may not realize this; the blood of unclean creatures is dripping from your unclean lips.

Your sin is as obvious to the living as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.

 

[rosends]

Why? Because when anyone refers to themself in the plural they either think of themself as royalty or are speaking for an indwelling crowd, UNAWARE.

Um, no. Because particular things are part of our theology and there are at least 2 million Orthodox Jews who subscribe to the belief I presented.

No one whose balls have been crushed can become a member of the assembly of the Lord.


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If only you understood what it was talking about. Why don't you cite the verse and we can discuss it in the Hebrew.

 

[rosends]

There is nothing mystical or arcane about the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not RUMINATE as long as a person has the intelligence to understand that that Law has nothing whatever to do with what goes into your mouth and then flushed down the toilet but everything to do with that goes into your mind and out of your mouth.

That is what defiles a person. Not pork chops... DUH!

You may not realize this; the blood of unclean creatures is dripping from your unclean lips.

Your sin is as obvious to the living as a white boulder in the middle of a plowed field.

Clearly, you don't understand Judaism so you replace it with your imaginings.