Zone1 Will Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus be adopted soon by many Jewish scholars?

[hobelim]

Um, no. Because particular things are part of our theology and there are at least 2 million Orthodox Jews who subscribe to the belief I presented.

So?

There are 3 billion people out there who subscribe to the delusional belief that spiritual life can be made by human hands handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

Whats your point?

Some people are not too swift?

I agree.

 

[rosends]

So?

There are 3 billion people who think that spiritual life can be made by human hands, handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food.

Whats your point?

You asked a question and I gave an answer. You then misunderstood the basis for my answer so I clarified. Sorry you are having trouble following the line of discussion your question led to.

 

[hobelim]

You asked a question and I gave an answer. You then misunderstood the basis for my answer so I clarified. Sorry you are having trouble following the line of discussion your question led to.

Sure.

And I'm sorry that what is easily understood by an 8 year old remains above your grasp.

You've been eating bread baked on mystical and archaic human dung and lost your mind.

THIS IS NOT KOSHER!

How is it that you don't know the only right course to take?

 

[rosends]

Sure.

And I'm sorry that what is easily understood by an 8 year old remains above your grasp.

You've been eating bread baked on mystical and archaic human dung and lost your mind.

THIS IS NOT KOSHER!

How is it that you don't know the only right course to take?

And what color is the sky in your world?

Whatever drugs you are taking, either halve the dose or double it.

 

[fncceo]

I studied Judaism for years living in Borough Park among the Hasidim.

You never studied with or lived with Haredi.

Your xtian buddies might believe you. But Jews know when someone is shoveling enough manure to fertilize The Sinai.

 

[Meriweather]

According to your non Jewish world view.

Are you unaware that Jesus' history and teachings are firmly rooted in Judaism? The one point of divergence, of course, is a strong one: His claim that he is one with God.

 

[rosends]

Are you unaware that Jesus' history and teachings are firmly rooted in Judaism? The one point of divergence, of course, is a strong one: His claim that he is one with God.

when someone leaves the faith in certain ways he stops being important. And there are a few points of divergence.

 

[BreezeWood]

Nothing was hidden. Jesus is irrelevant. Jewish law is Jewish law. You know nothing of Judaism.

what is not irrelevant is the crime committed by judaism the crucifixion of an innocent person in the name of judaism that permanently inhibits any jew from safe passage to the heavens without their contrition for their crime they committed ...

that is the issue, jewish law, madeup by them has nothing to do with the heavenly means for admission to the everlasting - as prescribed by who they crucified. good luck.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is a difference between bringing good news and undermining someone else's religion, especially in Israel.

The truth is God's prepping 144,000 Jews and 2 prophets to take the good news to Israel to undermine the Law. Jesus is a better covenant that God offers them. They will run to Jesus when He shows up this next time. And He will stay with them this time.
First to the Jew, and then to the Gentile.

 

[hobelim]

And what color is the sky in your world?

It depends on the time of day.

Whatever drugs you are taking, either halve the dose or double it.

Oh! Is it time for my medication? Okey dokey! Ahhhh, and Ahhhh! Thats better. Thanks!

Anyway this much I will still do for you. As you already know the prophets spoke for God using metaphors and analogies, homonyms, parables, similes, hyperbole, etc. True?

So why God would speak in any other way when giving the Law through Moses, a prophet?

As if it was insane to notice the deeper implications of the words and hidden subjects.

Pathetic.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."


The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Triumph Of YAHWEH, (Of Thanksgiving for Victory (xviii 1-15).

 

[hobelim]

You never studied with or lived with Haredi.

I lived and studied among the Bobov hasidim like a stranger in a strange land. Thats where my mind was opened to understand the nutty things Jesus said. Living there made it easy.

Your xtian buddies might believe you.

Christian buddies? They don't seem to be responding to the news any better than you.

But Jews know when someone is shoveling enough manure to fertilize The Sinai.=

So "Jews" think its bullshit that the words in the Law are figurative and the subjects are hidden and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used?

Even though your own holy book says so and every yeshiva student is taught that??

Schmuck.

 

[ding]

You never studied with or lived with Haredi.

Your xtian buddies might believe you. But Jews know when someone is shoveling enough manure to fertilize The Sinai.

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any Christian buddies. And rather than seeking holiness in his everyday life, his time is spent spreading hatred and division.

 

[hobelim]

Are you unaware that Jesus' history and teachings are firmly rooted in Judaism? The one point of divergence, of course, is a strong one: His claim that he is one with God.

Are you unaware that being one with God is not a claim of being God and that the Body of Christ consists of words that form the body of his teaching? Be open. Its as simple as that.

 

[ding]

Are you unaware that being one with God is not a claim of being God and the Body of Christ consists of words that form the body of his teaching? Be open. Its as simple as that.

Jesus behaved as if equal to God by claiming divine prerogatives like forgiving sins, raising the dead, and working on the Sabbath, performing works identical to the Father, and stating "I and the Father are one," leading his contemporaries to accuse him of blasphemy, which he accepted. He demonstrated this by claiming titles like "the Resurrection and the Life" and acting with the same authority and power as God, while simultaneously humbling himself in human form, according to biblical accounts.

Jesus showed belief in his divinity and equality with God through statements like "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30) and claiming pre-existence, famously stating, "Before Abraham was, I am!" (John 8:58), which echoed God's name for Himself at the burning bush. He also declared, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:9) and asserted his power to judge and give life, claiming authority the Jewish leaders recognized as blasphemous equality with God, as seen in John 5:18, John 5:19, John 5:20 and John 5:21.

Jesus was formally accused of blasphemy at his trial before the Sanhedrin for claiming to be the Son of God, but religious leaders also tried to kill him for blasphemy on multiple occasions during his ministry for claims like forgiving sins and declaring himself God or equal with God. Key instances include the accusation after he forgave sins (Mark 2), the charge of making himself God (John 10), and the final accusation by the High Priest at his trial (Matthew 26).

 

[hobelim]

Jesus behaved as if equal to God by claiming divine prerogatives like forgiving sins, raising the dead, and working on the Sabbath, performing works identical to the Father, and stating "I and the Father are one,"

You know how Jesus behaved? lol. You wouldn't know if Jesus was dancing on your grave.

"They are strangers in this world, as I am. Consecrate them by the truth; thy word is truth. As thou has sent me into the world I have sent them into the world, and for their sake I now consecrate myself, that they too may be consecrated by the truth.

But it is not for these alone that I pray, but for those through their words put their faith in me; may they all be one: as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, so they may all be in us, that the world may believe that thou didst send me,. The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, as we are one; I in them and thou in me, may they all be perfectly one." John 17:21-24

So because Jesus said the above all disciples and followers are claiming equality with God?

Its not about being united by one truth, one belief, one teaching, and one purpose? Right.

Dufus.

 

[ding]

"They are strangers in this world, as I am. Consecrate them by the truth; thy word is truth. As thou has sent me into the world I have sent them into the world, and for their sake I now consecrate myself, that they too may be consecrated by the truth.

But it is not for these alone that I pray, but for those through their words put their faith in me; may they all be one: as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, so they may all be in us, that the world may believe that thou didst send me,. The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, as we are one; I in them and thou in me, may they all be perfectly one." John 17:21-24

So because Jesus said the above all disciples and followers are claiming equality with God?

Its not about being united by one truth, one belief, one teaching, and one purpose?

Dufus.

Post #74 covered everything; what Jesus did that proves he believed he was equal to God, what he said that proves he believed he was equal to God and how the religious leaders of his day responded to his claiming equality with God.

 

[rosends]

It depends on the time of day.


Oh! Is it time for my medication? Okey dokey! Ahhhh, and Ahhhh! Thats better. Thanks!

Anyway this much I will still do for you. As you already know the prophets spoke for God using metaphors and analogies, homonyms, parables, similes, hyperbole, etc. True?

So why God would speak in any other way when giving the Law through Moses, a prophet?

As if it was insane to notice the deeper implications of the words and hidden subjects.

Pathetic.


"They pay no heed to the real hidden meaning of things but divert themselves instead with all kinds of iniquitous arcane lore. They do not know the hidden meaning of what is actually taking place, nor have they ever understood the lessons of the past. Consequently, they have no knowledge of what is coming upon them and have done NOTHING to save their souls from the deeper implications of present events."


The Dead Sea Scrolls, The Triumph Of YAHWEH, (Of Thanksgiving for Victory (xviii 1-15).

So you are quoting a translation of a text that has no value in Judaism. Good job.

 

[hobelim]

what Jesus did that proves he believed he was equal to God, what he said that proves he believed he was equal to God

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and their Father; My God and their God."

By saying that his God was their God Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either thought of himself as or claim to be God. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

 

[rosends]

Even though your own holy book says so and every yeshiva student is taught that??

Weird... I have been teaching in yeshivas for over 30 years and we never taught that. Anything else you want to claim insight into?

 

[hobelim]

So you are quoting a translation of a text that has no value in Judaism. Good job.

So you are practicing member of the only branch of Judaism allowed to exist by the romans, the exact same school of thought that Jesus argued against and said would persist to live through all the horrific things he predicted would happen until his triumphant return.

You even dismiss the writings of the JEWISH Dead Sea community that was keeping secret the hidden meaning of the Law from everyone including other Jewish people? Fascinating!

Good job yourself!