Zone1 Will Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus be adopted soon by many Jewish scholars?

[hobelim]

Ok, these are good questions. When Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus spoke of sheep vs goats He was speaking about people.

When Cephas -Peter was told to "feed My sheep" Peter knew that it was people being referred to.

Wolves in sheep's clothing really mean people who act as if they are interested in theology and spirituality but they are actually more interested in building their own little kingdom or house or sphere of influence.
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Then what is so hard making that great leap of intelligence to apply that knowing to kosher law?

That question about vultures and a "body" is very interesting and I am not so sure about that one but my off the top of my head guess would be the trained individuals from seventy nations who gather near Israel who seem to be thinking that the nation of Israel is without real defences.

Jesus was speaking about his return. Think of a group of "holy men" in black robes with red skullcaps surrounding Jesus to discredit him like vultures feeding on a corpse

The Scarlet Beast is a fascinating topic! I am of the belief that a rather brilliant spiritual leader will rise up who will appear to be "wiser than Daniel" but the support that this guy gets will set the stage for the true fulfillment of Zechariah chapter fourteen.

The scarlet beast that sits on 7 hills is a reference to Rome which was built on 7 hills.

The slaughter of the scarlet beast by the Christ with his breath, "the breath of life", and the brightness of his arrival brings an end to the terrifying reign of the Antichrist conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, and ruthlessly and violently unleashed on the world in 325ce.

People seem terrified about the reign of the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus with all the powerful "miracles of the lie" (that scripture is to be taken literally) without realizing they have been living during the great tribulation of the Antichrist for their entire lives.

 

[DennisPTate]

Then what is so hard making that great leap of intelligence to apply that knowing to kosher law?


Jesus was speaking about his return. Think of a group of holy men in black robes with a red skullcaps surrounding Jesus to discredit him like vultures feeding on a corpse


The scarlet beast that sits on 7 hills is a reference to Rome which was built on 7 hills.

The slaughter of the scarlet beast brings an end to the terrifying reign of the Antichrist conjured from the depths of a Roman hell, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, and ruthlessly and violently unleashed on the world in 325ce.

You are correct that Rome has been involved with a great conspiracy that has resulted in deception on essentially all of the world for the past seventeen or eighteen centuries.

The gifted Mark Taylor was shown some details relevant to this topic.

[Mark Taylor, January 25, 2018 ] :
1-25-18
All Roads Lead to Rome

The Spirit of God says, "The Pope and the Vatican, that's right the Pope and theVatican are not furthering my kingdom but are aiding the kingdom of darkness. Manyare saying that this is the last Pope, but it's not for the reasons they think. This will bethe last Pope, for what I the Lord God am about to do. I will expose this Pope and allthose under his command for allthe corruption he and the Vatican have been involvedin for centuries."


The Spirit of God says, "There is a shaking and a quaking coming to this Pope and theVatican, for I will split the Vatican and it's leadership wide open for the entire world tosee the inner workings of this ancient beast. This Pope, the Vatican and all it'sleadership, will come crumbling down. I will pull back the veilto show how deep anddark the deception has been. You whisper in your inner chambers 'we answer to noone. No one is above us; No one can hold us accountable.' I the Lord God see it all andthe time has come when I will now hold you accountable for your darkness. Thisexposure will be of such magnitude that the people will say. 'What do we do now?Where do we go now? We want nothing to do with this. We have no religion now.'Millions will walk away from their religion, as this will affect other religions as well."


The Spirit of God says, "ls my Army ready? Are you ready to receive these people?Are you ready to receive my harvest that's going to take place from this exposure?Prepare yourselves for the tsunami of people that will be starving for me and have noplace to turn. Prepare now! All roads lead to Rome."


The Spirit of God says, "There is a dig, an archeological find that is coming in anunderground vault, which will be so cataclysmic that it will ROCK the Christian world.The answer lies between Jerusalem and Vatican city."

[Mark Taylor]

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[hobelim]

You are correct that Rome has been involved with a great conspiracy that has resulted in deception on essentially all of the world for the past seventeen or eighteen centuries.

The gifted Mark Taylor was shown some details relevant to this topic."The Spirit of God says, "There is a dig, an archeological find that is coming in anunderground vault, which will be so cataclysmic that it will ROCK the Christian world.The answer lies between Jerusalem and Vatican city."

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN." Matthew 13:44

"I will give you treasure hidden in dark vaults, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel who summons you by name." Isaiah 45:3

 

[DennisPTate]

"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN." Matthew 13:44

"I will give you treasure hidden in dark vaults, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel who summons you by name." Isaiah 45:3

Wow!!!!

We indeed do live in an astonishing time period!

If you are interested Israeli near death experiencer Ms. Ariela Solsol Periera also was shown something about the modern "Babylon," that seems to me to be rather important at this time.

Thank you for quoting an important statement by Mark Taylor:

A lot of artefacts were taken from Jerusalem to Rome, both after the conquest after seventy C. E. but also after 135 C. E. as well.

The gifted Mark Taylor was shown some details relevant to this topic."The Spirit of God says, "There is a dig, an archeological find that is coming in anunderground vault, which will be so cataclysmic that it will ROCK the Christian world.The answer lies between Jerusalem and Vatican city."

On at least one level the summoning of certain people "by name" fits with The Torah Codes made famous by author Michael Drosnin.

The Torah Codes (or Bible Codes) refer to patterns of seemingly meaningful words and phrases hidden within the Hebrew text of the Torah, found by skipping letters at equal intervals (Equal Letter Sequences or ELS). Proponents claim these codes predict major historical events, like names of leaders or disasters, suggesting divine foreknowledge, but skeptics and many mathematicians argue these patterns are statistically inevitable in any sufficiently long text and are not unique to the Torah, a phenomenon explainable by chance.
How They're Found

1. Text Preparation: Take the Hebrew text of the Torah (or other biblical books).
2. Letter Skipping (ELS): Start at a letter and skip a set number of letters (e.g., 49), then pick the next letter, and continue skipping the same number to find words.
3. Encrypted Messages: When words form meaningful phrases or predict events (like "TORH" or names like Rabin), proponents see divine revelation, though critics find this interpretation subjective.

Key Figures & Concepts

• Rabbi Weissmandel: Credited with early discoveries of these codes.
• Equal Letter Sequences (ELS): The mathematical method used to find the codes.
• Statistical Significance: The core debate: Do these patterns occur by chance, or do they prove divine intent.

 

[hobelim]

A lot of artefacts were taken from Jerusalem to Rome, both after the conquest after seventy C. E. but also after 135 C. E. as well.

The treasures of the kingdom of Heaven have absolutely nothing whatever to do with artifacts, gold, jewels, or anything MADE BY HUMAN HANDS and material in nature.

In scripture whenever a story contradicts reality it is like a giant red X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was buried, deliberately hidden.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't you never will. EVER.

The question is, can you dig it?

 

[DennisPTate]

The treasures of the kingdom of Heaven have absolutely nothing whatever to do with artifacts, gold, jewels, or anything MADE BY HUMAN HANDS and material in nature.

In scripture whenever a story contradicts reality it is like a giant red X on a treasure map marking the exact place where something of great value was buried, deliberately hidden.

If you look and look and keep on looking you will find it. If you don't you never will. EVER.

The question is, can you dig it?

But isn't it rather obvious that certain artifacts that were made in four dimensional space and time may be necessary for the full fledged fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight?

I personally cannot imagine that it is pure coincidence that there may well have been a replica of the Ark of the Covenant made during the time of Moses?

That sets the stage for TWO Jewish temples, one several kilometers outside of Jerusalem and a second one over the Gihon Spring!

I shall have to dig you up a quotation on that that was originally published in National Geographic back during the 1930's.

[Grant Jeffrey, Armageddon Appointment with Destiny]:

"In a September 1935, article in the National Geographic magazine, L. Roberts recorded his interviews with various priests in different parts of Ethiopia who consistently told the same story. They recounted that the Queen of Sheba had visited King Solomon and had had "a child", Menelik I. Solomon educated the lad in Jerusalem until he was nineteen years old. The boy then returned to Ethiopia with a large group of Jews, taking with him the true Ark of the Covenant.
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The Ethiopian official national epic known as the Glory of the Kings (Kebra-Nagasi) contains an amazing story which offers an explanation of what happened to the Ark of the Covenant. In addition, there are several Ethiopian murals which tell how the Ark and the Tablets of the Law were taken to Ethiopia for safekeeping by Prince Menelik I. ..... The Queen of Sheba, his mother, had died and the prince prepared to leave Jerusalem to return twenty-five hundred miles to his native country to become its king.

Prince Menelik bore an uncanny resemblance in beauty and regal bearing to his father. King Solomon wanted to give him a replica of the Ark to take with him to Ethiopia because the long distance would prevent him from ever again worshipping at the temple in Jerusalem.

However Prince Menelik was concerned with the growing apostasy of Israel and the fact that his father, Solomon was now allowing idols to be placed in the Temple to please his pagan wives. King Solomon gave the prince a going-away banquet and after the priests were filled with wine, Menelik and his loyal associates switched arks and left the replica in its place in the Holy of Holies." (Grant Jeffrey, [page 115, Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny).

 

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So you just make things up. That's nice. Jews will continue to ignore your rantings then.

Everyone does.

 

[hobelim]

But isn't it rather obvious that certain artifacts that were made in four dimensional space and time may be necessary for the full fledged fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight?

The firmament, basis, of heaven that separates the waters above from the waters below isn't about anything in the sky. The Law is the basis, the firmament of heaven, and the description of the temple isn't about anything made by human hands. Just compare Ezekiel 40 to Revelation 11:1 and see that a temple is not the subject. Then consider this:

"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my own new name." Rev 3:12

See? The temple is made of human stones and pillars. See 1 Corinthians 3:16. Again:

"Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of 'God bless it! God bless it!'” — Zechariah 4:7 .


Thats why Jesus said you will never see me until you learn to say, Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai.


Try to understand that I've been marching in the soft parade, on a quiet road, long before the internet existed. So remember. Many people have been WATCHING for a long time.

 

[DennisPTate]

I thought that Sid Roth made such good points in these couple of paragraphs that I felt I should copy and paste what he wrote:

[Sid Roth] :
Prophecies of the Messiah


Just as God predicted the future of Israel and theJewish people, He predicted a coming MessiahWho would restore man’s fellowship with God, andtold us how we could recognize Him. God said theMessiah would be born in Bethlehem and gave aspecific time frame in the book of Daniel (Daniel
(9:25). Did you know that there were severalBethlehems at the time Jesus was born? But theprophet Micah was so precise he said the Messi-ah would be born in Bethlehem Ephratah of Judea(Micah 5:2)!


He would be despised and rejected by men (Isaiah53:3). Live a sinless life (Isaiah 53:9). Be betrayedfor 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12-13). Die bycrucifixion (Psalm 22:16). Have His clothing gam-bled for at the time of His death (Psalm 22:18). Hewould die before the Temple was destroyed (Daniel9:26). Arise from the dead (Psalm 16:10). And themajority of the Jews would not recognize Him(Isaiah 53:3), but the Gentiles would follow Him(Isaiah 11:10). All these things happened.


Moses told us a Prophet was coming Who wouldbe like him. He would also come from the Jewishpeople. That eliminates Buddha and Mohammed.This One would be greater than Moses for tworeasons. First, God would put His Words insideof Him. Second, God would require obedience tothose Words. Most feel Moses was talking aboutthe Messiah. (See Deuteronomy 18:15-19.)

[Sid Roth, The Mystery Law of Evangelism]
www.SidRoth.org/mystery

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is a difference between bringing good news and undermining someone else's religion, especially in Israel.

John 8:31-32 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.​

 

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...his pushy followers are just too damned annoying.

I'm surprised you didn't implode from irony.

 

[ding]

Why would they waste time on a fictional character?

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[fncceo]

Talmudic References to Jesus: Historical Context, Analysis, and Scholarly Debate - Alexander Mirvis

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Why is it so important to you that I believe in your god?

You can believe in tree spirits for all I care.

 

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Why is it so important to you that I believe in your god?

You can believe in tree spirits for all I care.

It's not. I couldn't care less what you do. Don't confuse my correcting your errors for caring.

 

[Meriweather]

Why is it so important to you that I believe in your god?

Belief in God is preferable. It seems you object to Christianity. As a Christian who does not knock on anyone's door at dinner or any other time, take a look at what quiet Christians believe. We have reverence for what we call the Old Testament, God in the midst of his people. The story of Abraham and Isaac is a good example. Abraham assures Isaac that God will provide the sacrifice. God provides a lamb caught in thorns for the sacrifice...the lamb of God. A prophet named John, upon Jesus' approach, declares: Behold the lamb of God. This lamb of God will later be sacrificed, crowned with thorns. God himself provides the sacrifice; God himself is willing to be our sacrifice. The Gospel writers were Jews, and nearly everything--if not everything--Jesus did is a mirror of Old Testament accounts of God in our midst.

Most, if not all Christians, have great reverence for the Old Testament and the Jews who recorded all these accounts of God in our midst. The question is why, after a deep study, do not recognize another account of God in our midst. Everything you dislike about Christians should be set aside in favor of everything that you adore about God. His story does not end with Malachi. It continues throughout the New Testament. Is it important to me that you believe the New Testament? Not at all. But it may be worthwhile to you to read the New Testament from the perspective of the Torah and the Tanakh.

 

[fncceo]

It's not. I couldn't care less what you do. Don't confuse my correcting your errors for caring.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be so insecure in your beliefs that it’s imperative to attempt to make everyone you come in contact with believe as you do.

 

[fncceo]

It seems you object to Christianity.

I don’t give a fetid dingo’s kidney about xtianity.

But when people start to conflate it with Judaism or attempt to claim that Judaism somehow supports it, I will make comment.

Go get your own faith and stop bothering mine.

 

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I can’t imagine what it’s like to be so insecure in your beliefs that it’s imperative to attempt to make everyone you come in contact with believe as you do.

Maybe look at post #12 for a glimpse of your hypocrisy.

 

[fncceo]

Maybe look at post #12 for a glimpse of your hypocrisy.

There is no hypocrisy in not wanting fanatics to push their faith on others when we clearly don’t push ours on you.

If you want to pester someone else, pick on Hare Krishna for a while.

It’s their turn.

 

[ding]

There is no hypocrisy in not wanting fanatics to push their faith on others when we clearly don’t push ours on you.

If you want to pester someone else, pick on Hare Krishna for a while.

It’s their turn.

No one is pushing their faith on you. They are expressing their beliefs just as you expressed your beliefs in post #12. If they are pushing their religion on you, then you did the same to them in post #12.

Believe whatever you want to believe. Your beliefs have no effect on me just as my beliefs should have no effect upon you.

Can honest men not have different opinions?