Zone1 Will Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus be adopted soon by many Jewish scholars?

[Cassandro]

prove jesus was ever a jew

By all historical accounts he was a Jew born in Bethlehem who observed Jewish traditions.

and as the reason being the 1st century events are in fact the repudiation of judaism false commandments et al.

He challenged the authority of Jewish leaders and, by his death, ended the primitive practice of blood sacrifice.

 

[fncceo]

By all historical accounts he was a Jew born in Bethlehem who observed Jewish traditions.

He challenged the authority of Jewish leaders and, by his death, ended the primitive practice of blood sacrifice.

Actually, the Roman’s destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE ended animal sacrifices because those sacrifices, with the exception of Kapparot, can only be performed in The Temple.

It had nothing to do with Jessus.

 

[rosends]

There are some hopeful movement by the Orthodox Jewish community to take another look at what was accomplished and taught by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus.

One important part of this, in my opinion, will be that it will become clear that the Messianic Gentile movement that became modern Christianity tends to know rather little about the obvious very Jewish background in the ideas of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and his disciples.

As Christianity became larger and larger it tended to become very anti-Semitic in flavor.

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No. We have no interest in your Jesus. Why do you need to connect us to feel legitimacy?

You are a Christian. Be proud of that. Leave Judaism alone. We have been around for a while without your help and we will continue just fine without it in the future.

 

[BreezeWood]

By all historical accounts he was a Jew born in Bethlehem who observed Jewish traditions.

He challenged the authority of Jewish leaders and, by his death, ended the primitive practice of blood sacrifice.

the first century events are the repudiation of judaism: false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid, false heavenly personifications that never existed - et al ... those events represent liberation theology, self determination not servitude and denial of the desert.

mary joseph jesus mary magdalene - were never jews.

 

[BreezeWood]

Actually, the Roman’s destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE ended animal sacrifices because those sacrifices, with the exception of Kapparot, can only be performed in The Temple.

It had nothing to do with Jessus.

- rome paid back to the jews what the jews had made done by them to jesus.

 

[shockedcanadian]

There are some hopeful movement by the Orthodox Jewish community to take another look at what was accomplished and taught by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus.

One important part of this, in my opinion, will be that it will become clear that the Messianic Gentile movement that became modern Christianity tends to know rather little about the obvious very Jewish background in the ideas of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus and his disciples.

As Christianity became larger and larger it tended to become very anti-Semitic in flavor.

Redeem Jesus back to Israel, Peace between Judaism & Christianity

A Jewish Orthodox scholar from Jerusalem, endeavors to remove the Jewish Anathema on Yeshua, to Redeem Jesus back to Israel & start a public Retrial on his behalf, reach Peace between Judaism & Christianity.

www.facingeachother.com

The Jewish Orthodox Initiative for the
Legal Return of Yeshua / Jesus to the Israel
& his Public Retrial

Facing Each Other

The official Jewish Orthodox initiative to redeem Yeshua of Nazareth back to the Jewish establishment - real key for peace between Judaism & Christianity. After 2000 years of Judeo-Christian dispute about Yeshua of Nazareth, an Orthodox Chasidic Jewish scholar from Jerusalem, Ariel Cohen Alloro...

www.youtube.com

There is already a Messianic Judaism following. Though it isn't very large in composition, they do connect with people in a meaningful manner. I've seen some videos of people in Israel, some challenge them while others just shrug their shoulders "live and let live", whatever makes them content.

In all honestly the secular movement in Israel is perhaps the largest growing area of beliefs and faith in Israel. It's not unlike many in the West who are Christian by birth and customs but outside of Christmas (Easter to a lesser degree), they don't really follow the faith very closely.

I compare the small subset of the Messianic to those of the Noahide movement that many Christians have adopted fervently. The Noahide movement is certainly much larger in both the scope and comparison but it is in essence the equivalent movement.

I suppose each of us must find our own path that is laid out for us.

 

[fncceo]

I suppose each of us must find our own path

Then leave OUR path alone.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Then leave OUR path alone.

No one can interfere with the path that G-d has laid.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is already a Messianic Judaism following. Though it isn't very large in composition, they do connect with people in a meaningful manner. I've seen some videos of people in Israel, some challenge them while others just shrug their shoulders "live and let live", whatever makes them content.

In all honestly the secular movement in Israel is perhaps the largest growing area of beliefs and faith in Israel. It's not unlike many in the West who are Christian by birth and customs but outside of Christmas (Easter to a lesser degree), they don't really follow the faith very closely.

I compare the small subset of the Messianic to those of the Noahide movement that many Christians have adopted fervently. The Noahide movement is certainly much larger in both the scope and comparison but it is in essence the equivalent movement.

I suppose each of us must find our own path that is laid out for us.

Thank you for this truly helpful summary of the whole situation ShockedCanadian. I could be termed 'Messianic Gentile" or "Messianic Jewish" and I am seeing a possibility for the Messianic Gentile Community to come together over one simple but important idea. Was former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava truthful about his seven minute brush with death?

I believe that the answer is YES!

A second obvious question is was Rabbi Alon Anava truthful about his second near death experience that was in 2020 if I remember correctly?

Again my answer is YES, and all of this gives fans of Rabbi Alon Anava a possible area of cooperation with Orthodox Jews in Israel and all around the world.

My idea is that Rabbi Alon Anava is on the list of possible candidates to fulfill Zechariah chapter three which makes him a possible major leader in events in the nation of Israel. He can play a critical role for Noahides, and Messianic Jews as well as for Orthodox Jews.

I believe that former ATheist and near death expereincer Rabbi Alon Anava has a "Cyrus" calling or Mission In Life that can set him up to become one of the most famous Israelis for what I believe must happen over the coming years and decades.

For one thing, I believe that the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex must be constructed and put into operation by Jews and for Jews.

This fits with a statement made by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who Muslims recognize as "Isa the Prophet."

Zone1 Thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

Nov 14, 2025

Although I am technically a Gentile I have listened to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava on youtube, over and over and over again as he gave the description of his first near death experience in many different synagogues.

I personally feel that Rabbi Alon Anava had a brush with death that can remind a Messianic Gentile like myself with Matthew chapter four, and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of very down to earth basic Judaism such as was given in Matthew chapter five, six and seven.

Rabbi Alon Anava obviously knew about html coding and he was shown that...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Religion and Ethics

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[BreezeWood]

For one thing, I believe that the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex must be constructed and put into operation by Jews and for Jews.

This fits with a statement made by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus

the 1st century events are the repudiation of judaism; false commandments et al - are you claiming for the jews to rebuild their temple they will repudiate moses and their false commandments.

nor would jesus ever proclaim - for jews.

 

[hobelim]

On the other hand the actual site of The Temple of Solomon is several hundred meters away from the Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque so either temple could be constructed with less controversy than we might tend to imagine?

One of the expectations for the Messiah is that he was to lead people to the "sanctuary of God" which has been thought to mean a temple but the sanctuary of Good cannot be made by human hands anymore than Divine providence can be made by human hands.

This is one of the many reasons people thought that Jesus was out of his mind. The Temple was already there and when he started saying that Kosher law was not about food he seemed even crazier because it had been an established tradition for over 1,000 years.

This is what Moses meant by saying that after his death the people would become utterly corrupt and turn aside from THE WAY he taught to follow the Law and disaster will befall them by provoking the Lord to anger with the work of their hands. (Deuteronomy 31:29)

This is exactly why the first believers in Jesus called themselves "Followers of THE WAY."

Abundant blessings and eternal life in the realm of God is the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands. By teaching the only right WAY to understand and comply with the figurative words and hidden subjects of the Divine commands that fulfills that promise of life with God on earth Jesus lead people who heard his teaching and acted on it to the sanctuary of God.

Jesus said "unless you eat my flesh (accept his teaching) and drink my blood (do it) you can have no life in you". Life is the promise for fulfilling the Law. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

If you look and look and keep on looking for the literal meaning of the figurative words and hidden subjects you'll find it. If you don't look and look and keep on looking you never will.

This is my flesh. Real meat. The fruit of my mind. It is pleasing to the eye and good to eat.

Eat it and you will never know what it is to die.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Thank you for this truly helpful summary of the whole situation ShockedCanadian. I could be termed 'Messianic Gentile" or "Messianic Jewish" and I am seeing a possibility for the Messianic Gentile Community to come together over one simple but important idea. Was former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava truthful about his seven minute brush with death?

I believe that the answer is YES!

A second obvious question is was Rabbi Alon Anava truthful about his second near death experience that was in 2020 if I remember correctly?

Again my answer is YES, and all of this gives fans of Rabbi Alon Anava a possible area of cooperation with Orthodox Jews in Israel and all around the world.

My idea is that Rabbi Alon Anava is on the list of possible candidates to fulfill Zechariah chapter three which makes him a possible major leader in events in the nation of Israel. He can play a critical role for Noahides, and Messianic Jews as well as for Orthodox Jews.

I believe that former ATheist and near death expereincer Rabbi Alon Anava has a "Cyrus" calling or Mission In Life that can set him up to become one of the most famous Israelis for what I believe must happen over the coming years and decades.

For one thing, I believe that the Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex must be constructed and put into operation by Jews and for Jews.

This fits with a statement made by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who Muslims recognize as "Isa the Prophet."

Zone1 Thread 'Does Rabbi Alon Anava also have a "Cyrus" calling on his life?'

Nov 14, 2025

Although I am technically a Gentile I have listened to near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava on youtube, over and over and over again as he gave the description of his first near death experience in many different synagogues.

I personally feel that Rabbi Alon Anava had a brush with death that can remind a Messianic Gentile like myself with Matthew chapter four, and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death remind me of very down to earth basic Judaism such as was given in Matthew chapter five, six and seven.

Rabbi Alon Anava obviously knew about html coding and he was shown that...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 24
• Forum: Religion and Ethics

• 

"Messianic Gentile community"?

I've never heard of that. You are essentially a Christian then, only a Jew can be Messianic.

I'm not Jewish but I follow as many Mitzvot as I can, I've been eating kosher (in the sense of rules not always kosher food, such as no pork, dairy and meat rules, no seafood etc) for many years. I fast when it's appropriate etc.

The Noahide community is viewed with respect and high esteem within the Orthodox Jewish community in particular for a number of reasons. In multiple historical Jewish texts (including I think the Jerusalem Talmud NOT the Babylonian though my memory isn't great anymore): I paraphrase: "righteous and/or pious person among the nations” will be rewarded in the World to Come.

To me that means "be a Mensch". I go further for personal and reasons of belief which may come to fruition in the future.

For many people of deep study of Jewish faith, as long as the gentile follows the seven Noahide laws, they are fulfilling their role, they don;t need to follow the Torah specifically.

You may fall into such a category if you live a righteous lifestyle. You cannot believe in Jesus as being divine as referenced in the New Testament. If you were born Jewish and you believe in the NT, you are Messianic Jewish. In essence, a new sect of Judaism which invokes the old "new sect" of Judaism called Christianity.

You can prove me wrong with historical texts or guidance from the Torah. No individual person, Rabbi or otherwise will suffice in that argument as far as I view it.

 

[hobelim]

The Noahide community

There is no such thing as noahide community, 7 Laws just for Gentiles. It's all pure bullshit.

Mosaic Law was given as "a light to the nations".

ALL NATIONS

 

[shockedcanadian]

There is no such thing as noahide. It's bullshit. Mosaic Law was given as a light to the nations. All nations.

If someone doesn't follow such laws? What do you refer them?

Those who do follow such laws, what do you refer to them if they aren't Jewish?

 

[rosends]

There is no such thing as noahide community, 7 Laws just for Gentiles. It's all pure bullshit.

that's wrong. There is a large and varied Noachide community. Simply saying it doesn't exist doesn't change that. If you need resources, I can provide them.

Mosaic Law was given as "a light to the nations".

ALL NATIONS

You are misunderstanding that term. Mosaic law was not given to all nations.

 

[hobelim]

If someone doesn't follow such laws? What do you refer them?

Many people who identify as atheists are complying with kashrut by not swallowing "the flesh" of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE which is a metaphor for "the teaching" of human archetypes who "just believe" without ruminating, thinking, even if they don't realize it.

In fact one cannot comply with the literal meaning of the law that prohibits eating the flesh of swine that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the words used in the same exact law because "the teaching" that the subject of kosher law is food is "the flesh" of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

Those who do follow such laws, what do you refer to them if they aren't Jewish?

It depends on whether they follow the literal meaning of the Law or if they understand the deeper implications, and do it.

If they follow the literal letter of the Law they are lost under a strange delusion whether Jew or Gentile.

If they follow the deeper implications of the exact same laws they are sane whether Jew or Gentile.

 

[hobelim]

that's wrong. There is a large and varied Noachide community. Simply saying it doesn't exist doesn't change that. If you need resources, I can provide them.

I am not saying that they don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth and then argue against that. Thats dishonest. Shame on you! I am saying what I said. Its just pure bullshit. Mosaic Law is instruction for all of the inhabitants of the earth about how to attain peace on earth.

Individually and between ALL NATIONS.

You are misunderstanding that term. Mosaic law was not given to all nations.

No I am not misunderstanding. The words are very clear. The Law was given as a light to the nations, through Israel, not just for Israel. If you are implying that the nations will learn something by your dedication to following the Law according to the teaching of the talmud, what Jesus called "the traditions of men", then the lesson is what not to do. If you were following the Law as Moses intended then your collective history would not reflect the long list of maledictions promised by Moses for not complying with the Law. This is irrefutable.

This is why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. No, they put it on the lamp stand so that EVERYONE in the room can see." because at the time the hidden meaning of the law was being withheld even from the Jewish laity as can be seen in the Dead Sea scrolls;


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.

On religious discussion.

No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law. (Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline)


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This is why one man asked, "Where did he get this teaching!", not because it was unknown but because it was supposed to be kept secret, especially from froward men like Jesus.

 

[rosends]

I am not saying that they don't exist. Don't put words in my mouth and then argue against that. Thats dishonest. Shame on you! I am saying what I said. Its just pure bullshit.

You wrote, "There is no such thing as noahide community" but now you are "not saying that they don't exist." That is exactly what you did say, by your words. I put nothing in your mouth -- these is a statement you made. Nothing dishonest about holding you accountable for your own statement.

Mosaic Law is instruction for all of the inhabitants of the earth about how to attain peace on earth.

No, it isn't. The text makes it clear that this is a covenant between God and the Jews. Simply claiming otherwise is useless.

No I am not misunderstanding. The words are very clear. The Law was given as a light to the nations,

really? Can you show me text which claims this?

If you are implying that the nations will learn something by your dedication to following the Law according to the teaching of the talmud, what Jesus called "the traditions of men"

Actually, he referred to the teaching of the talmud as the law of Moses that has to be followed. You should study your texts more.

 

[DennisPTate]

If someone doesn't follow such laws? What do you refer them?

Those who do follow such laws, what do you refer to them if they aren't Jewish?

It is my belief that Jerusalem Sanhedrin Rabbi Yeshayahu Hollander considers me, DennisPTate, to be a part of the Noahide Community based on our correspondence that took place back in 2010. Our online discussion continued for several years until Rabbi Hollander retired as the leading Rabbi in charge of the Noahide Outreach.

 

[hobelim]

You wrote, "There is no such thing as noahide community" but now you are "not saying that they don't exist."

You forgot to include the entire sentence.

"There is no such thing as noahide community, 7 Laws just for Gentiles. It's all pure bullshit." All people of every nation people language belief or unbelief suffer the death, a curse, for eating the flesh of unclean creatures. Nothing about kashrut in the 7 noahide Laws. They must be really gullible and proponents very clever beguiling them into Gehenna.

Its like claiming there is a community that worship a Jewish sacrificial mangod born on Mithras birthday. There may be billions of "believers" but that doesn't detract from the fact that its all bullshit.

Noah lived long before Moses. God, through Moses, gave the law to the Jewish people as "a light to the nations". What is the light of the Law if not the teaching in the Law? And if the Law was just for the Jewish people how is it that even Christians who violate the law whether knowing or unknowing experience the effect consequent to the degrading practice of idolatry forbidden by the Law under penalty of death, a curse? And what was HIDDEN from the Jewish laity by the Dead Sea community during the time of Jesus if not the deeper implications of the words used in the Law making the talmud obsolete bullshit.

And how do you resolve your position that you have been following the Law correctly for thousands of years even though history shows that the Jewish people have been suffering for thousands of years the long detailed list of maledictions promised by Moses unless you didn't fulfill the Laws demands by failing to grasp the deeper implications easily understood and fulfilled by anyone with a second grade education? Teaching is a long established metaphor for food in the Torah. Am I telling you something that you didn't already know?

"Come all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money, without cost. Why spend money on that which is not bread, and your labor on that which does not satisfy? Listen carefully to me, and eat what is good, and your soul will delight in the richest of foods.

No, it isn't. The text makes it clear that this is a covenant between God and the Jews. Simply claiming otherwise is useless.

Right, the covenant was to make his name known in the world by giving the law as a light to the nations. Mission accomplished. What then? Dick around over whats for dinner and what to wear? Pft.

You might think you were blessed by receiving the Law but history, in agreement with Moses, seems to describe a terrifying curse for failing to comply with the Law. Do you think there will ever come a Jewish person who will comply with the literal letter of the Law more perfectly than Jewish people have been doing, straining at a gnat for thousands of years?

Where is the promise of abundant blessings peace and life promised for doing so? Did God lie? Is he sleeping? Maybe he didn't notice that you never ate bacon EVER in your entire life?

Can't you read the writing on the wall? For Christs sake, do something about it. Be opened. WAKE UP! Arguing with me when your position is indefensible isn't going to help you out one bit when the shit hits the fan, again, unless you follow me into the sanctuary of God.

Just like every Christian and Muslim out there you have confused faith with obstinate stupidity.

really? Can you show me text which claims this?

sure.

Actually, he referred to the teaching of the talmud as the law of Moses that has to be followed.

Now thats truly irrational, not to mention desperate and pathetic. Psst! You are not invisible.

The Law cuts both ways. Its a choice between a blessing or a curse depending how you understand and do it. Jesus made it clear that the talmud renders the Law null and void.

Failing to grasp the subject of kashrut is teaching not food condemns everyone to Gehenna.

You are either terribly misinformed or lying your ass off. You should study other texts more.