Why Would We Go to War with Iran?

[Mac1958]

What Does 'Death to America' Really Mean?
Remember that they do not speak English.
Their chant is symbolic, not literal.

That's an interesting point, and defintions & word usage sure as hell matter in a situation like this. But I also think it's fair to say that (a) the Middle East in general has been one ******* powder keg with plenty of violent skirmishes and death for centuries, and (b) anyone in this mess should have learned by now that intimidating rhetoric matters and is held accountable.

I sure as hell don't have an answer for this, and I don't know how anyone can claim to have The Answer for something this ******* complicated. My concern is America and the thought processes going on in the Oval Office. I hope the people who are advising Trump deserve to be in the room. No "Kid Rock", MTG or Laura Loomer types, please.

How many thoughtful, rational, logical advisors have been purged by this administration, and who is he listening to? Do they have any depth of experience in this area? Are they blind ideologues, unqualified servants or opportunistic enablers?

 

[Grau]

But the most amazing thing is that Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Germany, Jordan, France, Syria and the UK support Israel and not Iran...

What color is the sky on your planet?

Meanwhile, on planet earth:

"Muslim World Unites in Response to Israel Over Iran Strikes"​

Muslim world unites in response to Israel over Iran strikes

Muslim countries in the Middle East and beyond condemned Israel and said they feared escalation

www.newsweek.com

"Why It Matters"​

EXCERPT "In a rare display of regional consensus, 22 Muslim-majority nations—including those that have diplomatic relation with Israel and are at odds with Iran—have warned that continued escalation threatens to ignite a broader regional conflict and destabilize the Middle East, calling for a return to negotiations the only solution regarding Iran's nuclear program. The conflict has disrupted nuclear talks between Iran and the U.S." CONTINUED

MEANWHILE:

"World War 3 warning? Iran claims Pakistan will nuke Israel if Netanyahu uses N-bombs first"

World War 3 warning? Iran claims Pakistan will nuke Israel if Netanyahu uses N-bombs first

A top Iranian general says Pakistan will use nuclear weapons against Israel. This is if Israel attacks Iran with nuclear missiles. Pakistan denies this claim. But Pakistan supports Iran. Pakistan warns Israel's actions could cause regional war. The situation is tense. The world is watching...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

EXCERPT "General Mohsen Rezaee, senior officer in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and a member of the National Security Council, declared in a televised interview: “Pakistan has told us that if Israel uses nuclear missiles, we will also attack it with nuclear weapons.”

While Iran and Israel edge closer to all-out war following Israel’s bombardment of Iranian nuclear and military sites, this new claim

has sparked global concern over a potential World War 3-style confrontation in the Middle East." CONTINUED


It looks like Hitler's little Zionist Colony is now just a "Mad Dog" global pariah with a lonely gaggle of genocidal Zionist shills:

"Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."
Moshe Dayan

Moshe Dayan Quote

Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.

www.azquotes.com

 

[Dorian Mode]

That's an interesting point, and defintions & word usage sure as hell matter in a situation like this. But I also think it's fair to say that (a) the Middle East in general has been one ******* powder keg with plenty of violent skirmishes and death for centuries, and (b) anyone in this mess should have learned by now that intimidating rhetoric matters and is held accountable.

I sure as hell don't have an answer for this, and I don't know how anyone can claim to have The Answer for something this ******* complicated. My concern is America and the thought processes going on in the Oval Office. I hope the people who are advising Trump deserve to be in the room. No "Kid Rock", MTG or Laura Loomer types, please.

How many thoughtful, rational, logical advisors have been purged by this administration, and who is he listening to? Do they have any depth of experience in this area? Are they blind ideologues, unqualified servants or opportunistic enablers?

We understand your irrational obsession with Trump, but this big ******* powder keg was not created by him, it was created by American foreign policy and the foreign policies of many European nations over the last 7 or so decades. No predecessors had the answers or the people necessary to resolve this problem because no one wanted to resolve this problem. Now the problem has grown too big and needs a relief valve. I personally would rather have Trump behind the helm than someone like GW Bush or a democrap puppet like senile Joe.

 

[Mac1958]

We understand your irrational obsession with Trump, but this big ******* powder keg was not created by him, it was created by American foreign policy and the foreign policies of many European nations over the last 7 or so decades. No predecessors had the answers or the people necessary to resolve this problem because no one wanted to resolve this problem. Now the problem has grown too big and needs a relief valve. I personally would rather have Trump behind the helm than someone like GW Bush or a democrap puppet like senile Joe.

Ok Trumpster.

 

[Mac-7]

You are not up to date with the news of the day... so go away little one....

Rigby5 is incredibly uninformed

Iran is being humiliated by Israel

We may even see a regime change yet Rigby5 babbles on with no idea of what he is talking about

 

[hondo 50]

That is just a lie.
Iran never threatened anyone.
Everyone should want Israel gone, but that means a 1 state solution where it is called Palestine, and no longer has an illegal state religion.

The US is the "great Satan" who murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iranian civilians in 1953 when the CIA conducted the destruction of the Iranian democracy, and installed the Shah as a dictator. That is well known history.
Claiming the US "has no animosities towards Persia" is an obvious lie, since they we would not have conducted Operation Ajax and wiped out their democracy.

Iran has a legal right to nukes are a defensive deterrent any claim that risks the US is false because Iran has not means of reaching the US with a nuke.

/thread

 

[Grau]

Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 1960s. It has never once used them, despite being surrounded by hostile nations that literally make up chants about "pushing the jews into the sea".

If the Islamafascists in power in Tehran ever develop the bomb, they'll nuke any "infidels" they see fit as soon as they possibly can.

That's a big, big, big, big difference.

You've clearly never been to the Middle East, spent time among its many different residents or studied anything other than Western Ziono-Media because Iran has attacked no one in 300 years while Israel has launched unprovoked attacks on both its neighbors and American G.I. and installations (The Lavon Affaire, USS Liberty, USS Cole, US Troops in Iraq etc.

Israel has no need for its nuclear arsenal when it can get its lobbies to extract unlimited amounts of American blood and countless $ Trillions to defend it from retaliation for its chronic aggression.

For example:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

AND:

"AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

EXCERPT "American tactical officers take to the stage, and say they're here to defend the State of Israel and its sovereignty as if they were fighting for their own country. They say they'll do anything to defend Israel. It's moving," he said."CONTINUED


As long as Zionist parasites and America's infestation of traitorous "Israel Firsters" remain ignorant of Israeli nuclear blackmail and loyal to Hitler's nasty, little Zionist colony in the Levant, loyal Americans will continue to die for Israel' insatiable regional ambitions; i.e. "Greater Israel" (aka Lebensraum" for the self "Chosen People (aka "Master Race").


Therefore, only a traitor would support America's most rapacious parasite and insidious internal threat.

After all, it was your dear leader who admitted:

“Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.” - Benjamin Netanyahu. (1)





(1). “Stupid pro-Israel Americans - have you heard these quotes from your hero Netanyahu? See below?”

Yahoo Search - Web Search

The search engine that helps you find exactly what you're looking for. Find the most relevant information, video, images, and answers from all across the Web.

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[Grau]

"HITLER'S ZIONIST COLONY JUST BOUGHT 100 YEARS OF BLOWBACK"

LOL! You actually think Israel is losing this war? It was game over for Iran the moment Israel gained 100% air superiority. They can now strike any target they want inside Iran at will, with ZERO threat to their pilots. They achieved this superiority in a single day.

Since you've never been to the Middle East, you have no idea how the world's 1.8 Billion Muslims will retaliate against Israelis and innocent Jews around the world for decades to come.

As long as America's traitorous "Israel Firsters" and their Zionist lobbies control US Middle East policy, Americans can expect to endure even more 9/11 events until we have a sane and equitable Middle East policy.

Meanwhile, you are welcome to support America's parasites, Israeli spies and wars for "Greater Israel" while loyal Americans work to deport all enemies "...foreign and domestic..."

 

[Votto]

calling the UK, Germany and France "Muslim countries" makes you a ridiculous person

Why? They both hate Jews and love collectivism. And with rising Islamic voting they are well on their way to Sharia law.

Seems like match made in hell.

 

[Nobody911]

Yeah, go spank that Supreme Leader, right? let's make MIC( military-industrial complex )great again!

An attack by the U.S. on Iran could significantly boost the defense and energy sectors. However, does TACO Trump really care about moral issues or international law? I don't think so. lol.

Since Israel attacked Iran, the U.S. stock markets have experienced mixed reactions with some initial volatility but signs of stabilization and selective sector strength, particularly in defense and energy.

Overall Market Trends:

Major U.S. indices like the S&P 500 have hovered near all-time highs, with modest fluctuations. For example, the S&P 500 showed a slight decline of about 0.03% recently but remains close to record levels 1.

After an initial selloff triggered by the conflict escalation, stocks rebounded early this week, with the Dow Jones and S&P 500 each rising about 1.1%, and the Nasdaq gaining 1.4%, recovering from losses caused by the Israel-Iran fighting 4.

Defense Sector Performance:

Defense stocks have seen moderate gains since Israel began its strikes on Iran. This follows previous strength from the Russia-Ukraine conflict, indicating sustained investor interest in defense companies amid geopolitical tensions 23.

Lockheed Martin (LMT), a major U.S. defense contractor, recently traded around $468.60, showing some volatility but remains a significant player in aerospace and defense with a market cap over $109 billion 1.

Other defense firms like Northrop Grumman and RTX also experienced stock price increases following the conflict's onset 3.

Energy Sector Impact:

The energy sector has surged, with the S&P 500 energy index up over 2% in the past four trading sessions, driven by rising oil prices amid concerns about supply disruptions in the Middle East. Exxon Mobil and Valero Energy stocks rose by 3.8% and 5%, respectively 2.

Oil prices spiked nearly 9% following Israel’s initial attacks but saw some decline afterward as investors assessed the situation. West Texas Intermediate crude recently traded around $72.35 per barrel, down from highs near $77.60 24.

The conflict’s impact on oil markets contributes to inflation concerns and economic uncertainty, which could affect broader market sentiment2.

Investor Sentiment and Risks:

Investors remain cautious about the potential for U.S. military involvement, which could trigger a sharp market downturn due to fears of a wider conflict and higher oil prices 2.

Safe-haven assets like gold have risen, reflecting risk aversion, with gold prices nearing record highs 3.

Analysts suggest that if the conflict remains contained, equity markets may continue to recover, but escalation could lead to volatility and economic headwinds 3.

In summary, since Israel's attack on Iran, U.S. stock markets have shown resilience with a notable uptrend in defense and energy sectors, reflecting investor anticipation of increased defense spending and oil supply concerns. However, the overall market remains sensitive to developments in the conflict and potential U.S. involvement, which could lead to rapid shifts in sentiment 234.

Edit : Those billionaires and Congress must be happy!

sources:

1. https://www.perplexity.ai/finance
2. https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...-if-us-joins-israel-iran-conflict-2025-06-18/
3. What would an Israel-Iran war mean for the global economy?
4. Markets News, June 16, 2025: Stocks Rise, Oil Slides as Investor Concerns About Israel-Iran Conflict Ease; AMD Leads Chip Sector Rally
5. https://www.reuters.com/business/wa...-lower-mideast-conflict-continues-2025-06-17/
6. Israel, Iran Conflict Escalates, U.S. Sends Support; Defense Stocks Rise
7. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/st...-israel-s-attack-on-iran-pxcHASFstk1UQCKkNfUp
8. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/12/stock-market-today-live-updates.html
9. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/defe...ran-raise-middle-east-tensions-135055335.html
10. Markets News, June 17, 2025: Stocks Drop, Oil Surges as Israel-Iran Conflict Escalates; Fed Decision on Interest Rates Comes Wednesday
11. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/18/are...rade-what-the-israel-iran-conflict-shows.html
12. Aerospace & Defense: Industry Performance — Israel — TradingView

 

[braalian]

You should worry more about the sovereign nation, armed with hundreds of nuclear weapons, which is currently committing genocide in Gaza, and will never hesitate to use a nuclear weapon to destroy Tehran if its cities continue to burn

Never hesitate?

They’ve had nuclear bombs for two generations and never used them

That sounds like they’ve “hesitated” to me…..

 

[Godboy]

"HITLER'S ZIONIST COLONY JUST BOUGHT 100 YEARS OF BLOWBACK"




Since you've never been to the Middle East, you have no idea how the world's 1.8 Billion Muslims will retaliate against Israelis and innocent Jews around the world for decades to come.

Take a look around dude. NO ONE fears these stupid muslims. Muslims are super easy to defeat in battle.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Do We Go to War to Prevent Iran from Having Nuclear Weapons?

I hate war. As a historian, I have read countless books about war, especially those over the past ce

townhall.com

With due respect to Mr. Lewis, I think he misses the point.

Has there ever been a time (in recent history) when a sovereign nation formally and emphatically declared that it intended to obliterate a nearby country, as well as one on the other side of the world?

Nuclear aspirations or not, Iran declares constantly that it will not rest until Israel is gone, along with every Jew who lives there. They declare that the United States is the "Great Satan," and that it will do the same to the U.S. in the event that it obtains the means to do so. It is also worth mentioning that neither Israel nor the U.S. has any animosity against Persia or its people, except in reaction to the atrocities with which we are all familiar.

This alone justifies the attacks on Iran, as well as the pursuit of any means necessary to prevent Iran from building the tools necessary to carry out its stated intentions.

The lack of expressions of outrage from the usual suspects at the U.N. is telling.

Toppling Iran has little to do with nukes and everything to do with the USA / Jews controlling the Middle East. See the 'hit list' below.

Jews / America want regime change in Iran. Their goal is to topple the existing gov in Iran and install the Shaw of Iran's son in Iran. The Shaw of Iran's son is living in Virginia and ready to take control of Iran. Once accomplished, Iran as a proxy of the USA can shut off the oil to China. The USA can then use Iran for staging grounds to attack Russia, break it up and then move on to China.

Israel has 40% of Saudi Arabia in their sights for land take over. I'm surprised the Arabs are on the Jew's side. Israel also wants part of Egypt. It is all in their 'Greater Israel' expansion plans.

Google:

Greater Israel: an Ongoing Expansion Plan for the Middle East and North Africa – MEPEI

These countries are on Israel's hit list. The countries with an 'x' have been destabilized enough by the West to be considered a non-threat to Israel. The ones without an 'x' are still in progress.

Iran

Saudi Arabia

Somalia x

Lebanon x

Iraq x

Libya x

Syria x

Pakistan

 

[irosie91]

Take a look around dude. NO ONE fears these stupid muslims. Muslims are super easy to defeat in battle.

however---Grau is right about the primitive nature of Islamo-nazi "culture" ---hatreds run deep
and forever. The Sunnis are still murdering Shiites ----like a bizzaaro version of the Hatfields and
the McCoys.. You need not LIVE in the Levant to know. I have been very aware of it based on
my simple college time clerical job in a very large hospital in the USA. There were Indian and
Pakistani and Iranian resident doctors there. It took awhile but after a few months I began to see the pattern of INTENSE HATRED ------that was my introduction, not only to the Hindu/muslim divide--- but the
even MORE virulent hatred between Shiites and Sunnis---all because muhummad had a son-in-law---who
wanted the throne----that moves on into the MAHDHI BS. They've been killing each other for 14 centuries. As for their hatred of jews----read the koran and learn something of DHIMMITUDE----my
dhimmi is home----feel free to ask questions

 

[Paradoxical#1]

A radical Islamist theocracy with a deliverable nuclear ICBM or medium-range ballistic missile.

Gee, what could go wrong?

Ilhan will save the day.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ilhan will save the day.

In that case, we're all inexorably doomed.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

In that case, we're all inexorably doomed.

I'm just using the logic of the libs. Only America haters like Ilhan, and globalist leaders like Starmer and Macron know what's best for America.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I'm just using the logic of the libs. Only America haters like Ilhan, and globalist leaders like Starmer and Macron know what's best for America.

Oh, I know.

She truly does hate America. But in general, I don't care to make such accusations as to who hates or loves America. Anyone who truly wants better for America loves her. And then there are those who really revel in wishing for her destruction.

 

[irosie91]

I'm just using the logic of the libs. Only America haters like Ilhan, and globalist leaders like Starmer and Macron know what's best for America.

oy

 

[airplanemechanic]

The only real "terrorist" is the US.
What do you call it when the US illegally destroys the democracy in Iran in 1953?
What do you call it when the US illegally prevents the plebiscite in Vietnam and installs Diem as dictator?
What do you all it when the US gives Saddam permission to invade Kuwait, and they blows up everyone on the Highway of Death?
What do you call it when we lie about WMD so we can invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, the Ukraine, Palestine, etc.?

I call them all bullshit lies, that's what.

Nobody gave saddam "permission" to invade Kuwait. The highway of death was not military equipment, it was overwhelmingly thieves who invaded Kuwait, stole shit, and were trying to get back into Iraq.

Basically, they fucked around and found out.

If we lied about WMD's democrats did too. YEARS before Bush invaded Iraq, MULTIPLE democrats told us Saddam had, and would use, WMDs.

Iraq war was brought to you by Democrats, too

Joe Scarborough at Politico makes some good points about the origins of the Iraq war (h/t Voskamp): Two years before Bush was even elected to the White House, his predecessor told Americans that their…

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