If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?

[Zavulon]

Your English is commendable.

Thank you. But there is no limit to perfection, they say.

But you thrive on propaganda.

Actually, no. I've tried a bit to discuss some books and movies in Reviews forum, but didn't get enough feedback. But here... Oh, here your reaction is quite satisfying. So, to be honest, it's you who thrive on propaganda.

It doesn’t matter what I may or may not accept as truthful. You simply refuse to support the nonsense you spew.

C'mon... If I'd said, that there is a big scaffold on the central square of San Francisco and good white people publicly hang ten n$ggers a week just for lulz, would you search for confirmation or refutation of it? You do know what they can hide and what they can not. Hell, "youwerenotthere" is one of the reasons why I don't get veteran's certificate. But it's simply impossible to hide one million killed or even 0.5 mln killed.

I reject everything you say which you won’t and can’t support.

You made a nonsense (and even internally controversial) statement. You suppose to prove it.

You’re silly. Nobody with a brain sees PuKin as anything supernatural. He’s just a rancid ******* shit stain murderous creep.

Ok. And if he just an ordinary human being, how could he send hundreds of thousands to the certain death against their will?

Hey. CNN isn’t a metric by which actual journalism can be measured.

As if others are somehow better.

No. You don’t. Stop spewing your fantasies.

Right after you stop spewing stupid propaganda.

You’re brainwashed for sure. And I don’t trust what you say. You are a joke.

And are you not?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Canada is not a part of the United States of America, as a political unity. But Canada is a part of America (specifically - Northern America) as a geographic term, and even as part of the common linguistic and cultural space. Average WASP from Alberta may have more common with a WASP from Minnesota than with, say, Chinese-speaking Canadian citizen from Vancouver. Same way, Ukraine (or different parts of it) may be or may be not a part of Russian Federation, Soviet Union, Russian Empire, Great Duchy of Moscow, Vladimir's Rus, Great Duchy of Lithuania, Jemaya and Russia, Rzeczpospolita, Austria-Hungary or any other political unity. But Ukraine (Borderlands) is and have been for more than eleven centuries, a part of Russian cultural and lingustic space, a part of Russia (in the wider meaning of the term).

You seem to feel that because Russia has a history of invading Ukraine that somehow makes Ukraine Russian. It doesn't! Ukraine is a sovereign nation. Putin didn't care. He wanted Ukrainian territory and decided he would just take it. Now he's starting to understand what a misguided idea that was. Half a million Russians dead. Billions of dollars of military assets destroyed. Now infrastructure inside of Russia is being targeted by Ukraine and the Russian people are getting a small taste of what THEY have been doing to Ukraine for years! This ends badly for Russia and Putin.

 

[Zavulon]

You seem to feel that because Russia has a history of invading Ukraine that somehow makes Ukraine Russian.

My Mom was Ukrainian and she (as well as most of people I know) said that Ukrainians are just a kind of Russian. Usually it's not ethnonim. It's ethnochoronim. Like "New Yorker", "Californian" or, may be, "Hoosier". Not about who you are, but about where do you live.

It doesn't! Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

It's not, and never have been.

Putin didn't care. He wanted Ukrainian territory and decided he would just take it.

It's not about territory at all. In the first place it's about elimination of the Kievan Neo-Nazi regime and rolling back NATO.

Now he's starting to understand what a misguided idea that was. Half a million Russians dead. Billions of dollars of military assets destroyed. Now infrastructure inside of Russia is being targeted by Ukraine and the Russian people are getting a small taste of what THEY have been doing to Ukraine for years! This ends badly for Russia and Putin.

There is conception of lesser evil. Even fifty millions killed Russians and hundreds of destroyed towns and cities is pretty acceptable price for survival of Russians and elimination of NATO. There is no safety in appeasement, and this is exactly why NATO should be rolled back or eliminated.

 

[Man With A Plan]

My Mom was Ukrainian and she (as well as most of people I know) said that Ukrainians are just a kind of Russian. Usually it's not ethnonim. It's ethnochoronim. Like "New Yorker", "Californian" or, may be, "Hoosier". Not about who you are, but about where do you live.


It's not, and never have been.


It's not about territory at all. In the first place it's about elimination of the Kievan Neo-Nazi regime and rolling back NATO.


There is conception of lesser evil. Even fifty millions killed Russians and hundreds of destroyed towns and cities is pretty acceptable price for survival of Russians and elimination of NATO. There is no safety in appeasement, and this is exactly why NATO should be rolled back or eliminated.

NATO only exists because of how the USSR took over surrounding nations following WWII. NATO has never attacked the USSR or Russia! NEVER! It's a defensive organization. Ukraine wanted to join NATO because they feared being invaded by Putin. With good cause obviously!

 

[BackAgain]

Thank you. But there is no limit to perfection, they say.


Actually, no. I've tried a bit to discuss some books and movies in Reviews forum, but didn't get enough feedback. But here... Oh, here your reaction is quite satisfying. So, to be honest, it's you who thrive on propaganda.

Here ^ we see how unfamiliar you are with logic.

Your posting about literature or films is clearly insignificant.

I’m glad you are satisfied by my ongoing refutations of your propaganda efforts. I don’t buy into propaganda at all. That’s strictly a you thing.

You make many efforts to share your view of the world via transparently dishonest propaganda. Thankfully, you’re not smart enough to ever be successful.

 

[Zavulon]

NATO only exists because of how the USSR took over surrounding nations following WWII.

Plain lie. Russia created Warsaw Pact 6 years after NATO creation of NATO. Abd, of course, after European attack on Russia, European countries had to be supervised very closely.

NATO has never attacked the USSR or Russia! NEVER!

Plain lie. NATO countries support and use as proxies Kievan regime. And their facilitation already had become participation.

It's a defensive organization.

Plain lie. It never fought a defensive war. Only offensive. Direct or indirect.

Ukraine wanted to join NATO because they feared being invaded by Putin. With good cause obviously!

No. Kievan regime became NATO's hired gun and just sell Ukrainians as cannon fodder. Defund Ukraine, open the borders, and watch, how many Ukrainians actually want to die for no reason.

 

[candycorn]

If we won the war why is Iran making demands before an end to the war?​

Good question.

 

[Zavulon]

Here ^ we see how unfamiliar you are with logic.

Your posting about literature or films is clearly insignificant.

As well as my posting about political or military issues (at least from my point of view). Actually, I much more value classic Greek, Roman and Indian mythology or American fiction movies than stupid beliefs of Iodine-deficite Galician farmers, imbecilic claims of CNN or pretty simple and plain quotations from Walter F. Hahn's "American strategy for the nuclear age".
You've decided to talk about war, not me. What is even worse for you, you've decided to discuss the situation you know nothing about.

I’m glad you are satisfied by my ongoing refutations of your propaganda efforts. I don’t buy into propaganda at all. That’s strictly a you thing.

C'mon. You are full of propaganda. What is worse, you are full of stupid propaganda, that clearly demonstrates the lack of critical thinking.

You make many efforts to share your view of the world via transparently dishonest propaganda. Thankfully, you’re not smart enough to ever be successful.

Oh my gosh. Man, I already said you, that sharing even basics of my view with you, would demand from both of us a lot of efforts and time, and, highly likely, it won't be successful anyway, mostly because of American educational system that is really crippling children.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Plain lie. Russia created Warsaw Pact 6 years after NATO creation of NATO. Abd, of course, after European attack on Russia, European countries had to be supervised very closely.


Plain lie. NATO countries support and use as proxies Kievan regime. And their facilitation already had become participation.


Plain lie. It never fought a defensive war. Only offensive. Direct or indirect.


No. Kievan regime became NATO's hired gun and just sell Ukrainians as cannon fodder. Defund Ukraine, open the borders, and watch, how many Ukrainians actually want to die for no reason.

You mean the Nazis attacking the Soviet Union? After the Soviet Union first joined up with Hitler to attack Poland? Is that the history you're referring to, Zavulon? Not the finest hour for your country!
The truth is that the United States saved your ass with Lend/Lease in WWII.
Ah, so you were just "supervising" Poland, East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and parts of Finland? The Soviet Union had a long history of absorbing it's neighbors. Vladimir Putin wanted to get the band back together. He never wanted the USSR to cease to exist.
As for what the Ukrainians "want"? Dude, it's pretty obvious that they want to be their own country and they've not only survived your attempts to crush them...now they've turned the tide of the war and are starting to bring the conflict to Russia. Have fun with that!

 

[Zavulon]

You mean the Nazis attacking the Soviet Union? After the Soviet Union first joined up with Hitler to attack Poland?

After Poland joined with Hitler to attack Russia's ally - Czechoslovakia. It was an act of collective self-defense. And no, we didn't attack Poland. We just liberated Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, when Polish state already ceased it existence.

Is that the history you're referring to, Zavulon? Not the finest hour for your country!

May be not finest, but quite fine. Smart and good move. Instead of fighting more or less united after Chamberlain-Hitler Pact Europe, we played our enemies against each other.

The truth is that the United States saved your ass with Lend/Lease in WWII.

The truth is that it was only $20 bln worth, about $200 bln modern dollars. You gave to Ukraine more than $350 bln, and they are still losing.
US help was very useful, it saved many lives, and we really appreciate it, but it definitely wasn't decisive thing.

Ah, so you were just "supervising" Poland, East Germany, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and parts of Finland?

Yep. Actually, together with the USA, England, France and China we were supervising the whole world.

The Soviet Union had a long history of absorbing it's neighbors.

Any great nation has. That's what makes nations great.

Vladimir Putin wanted to get the band back together. He never wanted the USSR to cease to exist.

As welll as absolute majority of USSR citizens.

As for what the Ukrainians "want"? Dude, it's pretty obvious that they want to be their own country and they've not only survived your attempts to crush them...now they've turned the tide of the war and are starting to bring the conflict to Russia. Have fun with that!

We do know what Ukrainian Nazies do want. They want to kill Russians, and they've started from temporarily their country. But soon, most of them will be dead, and the rest will seek for shelter in Canada and Argentina, and Ukraine will be returned in the Russia, and every survived Ukrainian will be pretty happy about that.

 

[BackAgain]

As well as my posting about political or military issues (at least from my point of view). Actually, I much more value classic Greek, Roman and Indian mythology or American fiction movies than stupid beliefs of Iodine-deficite Galician farmers, imbecilic claims of CNN or pretty simple and plain quotations from Walter F. Hahn's "American strategy for the nuclear age".
You've decided to talk about war, not me. What is even worse for you, you've decided to discuss the situation you know nothing about.



C'mon. You are full of propaganda. What is worse, you are full of stupid propaganda, that clearly demonstrates the lack of critical thinking.


Oh my gosh. Man, I already said you, that sharing even basics of my view with you, would demand from both of us a lot of efforts and time, and, highly likely, it won't be successful anyway, mostly because of American educational system that is really crippling children.

Say goodnight, Gracie.

 

[Man With A Plan]

After Poland joined with Hitler to attack Russia's ally - Czechoslovakia. It was an act of collective self-defense. And no, we didn't attack Poland. We just liberated Western Ukraine and Western Belarus, when Polish state already ceased it existence.


May be not finest, but quite fine. Smart and good move. Instead of fighting more or less united after Chamberlain-Hitler Pact Europe, we played our enemies against each other.


The truth is that it was only $20 bln worth, about $200 bln modern dollars. You gave to Ukraine more than $350 bln, and they are still losing.
US help was very useful, it saved many lives, and we really appreciate it, but it definitely wasn't decisive thing.

Yep. Actually, together with the USA, England, France and China we were supervising the whole world.

Any great nation has. That's what makes nations great.


As welll as absolute majority of USSR citizens.

We do know what Ukrainian Nazies do want. They want to kill Russians, and they've started from temporarily their country. But soon, most of them will be dead, and the rest will seek for shelter in Canada and Argentina, and Ukraine will be returned in the Russia, and every survived Ukrainian will be pretty happy about that.

The Ukrainians will be dead soon? LOL You've been trying to accomplish that for years, Zavulon! Not only haven't you managed to defeat the Ukrainians...you're now losing ground to them. Crimea is cut off. Ukrainian drones are striking Moscow. The vaunted Russian tank forces have been rendered useless by Ukrainians flying drones. You're going to lose every bit of ground you tried to steal and your military has been exposed as a paper tiger!

 

[Zavulon]

The Ukrainians will be dead soon? LOL You've been trying to accomplish that for years, Zavulon!

And population of "Independent Ukraine" already decreased from 52 mlns in 1991 to barely 20 mln now. They are running out of people. And soon, in a year or two there will be no adult male Ukrainians at all.

Not only haven't you managed to defeat the Ukrainians...you're now losing ground to them.

It's not about territory and never have been. At least not about immediate control.

Crimea is cut off.

Crimea was cut off from water back in 2014 and from electricity back in 2015. Little problems with gasoline for civilians (first of all for tourists) isn't something impressive.

Ukrainian drones are striking Moscow.

And Russian missiles are striking Kiev much more effectively. The difference is that Russian missiles and UAVs are destroying really important targets, and Kievan regime just kill some random people or damage not that useful buildings.

The vaunted Russian tank forces have been rendered useless by Ukrainians flying drones.

As if NATO tanks were very useful against Russian UAVs.

You're going to lose every bit of ground you tried to steal and your military has been exposed as a paper tiger!

It's just your wishful-thinking. If necessary we are ready to lose even Moscow, but to defeat the enemies. The West can surrender now and minimise the damage or provoke Russia for further escalation and surrender after their nuclear bases destroyed. Or, if they decide retaliate - they will surrender after destruction of their main cities.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Because your unsupported claims are made by you for a reason. If you want to make the claims you make, you should also be able to establish that your claims have even a minor amount of factual support.

If the only thing you are doing is posting what you wish to believe, that’s fine. But just understand that, given your complete lack of credibility, your words have no weight.

Sure. You bloviate an awful lot for someone who isn’t seeking to persuade others of whatever nonsense you spew.

You don’t know that. And you also aren’t convincing that your answer is “it’s pointless.” The reality is that you cannot support your claims. Not a lack of purpose served. Just a lack of honesty from you.

You’re in full babble mode. Your gibberish is nonsensical and largely unintelligible.

It came from a number of western sources. And their estimates are in significant agreement with each other.
Your problem is that you just don’t care for the truth.


Your alleged certainty is just another way of conceding that you don’t know what you’re talking about.

You don’t study anything. You live a gullible life. You’re told what to believe, and you unreasoningly but meekly and dutifully comply.

Russia did not start the War Backagain.

Barack O'Bama, & his political allies did, by overthrowing an Elected Leader of Ukraine.

That led to "Maidan", & many other Atrocities, then to the Secession of the Eastern Provinces, which led to Ukraine attacking them, with the Eastern Provinces appealing to become part of Russia again

I actually thought that when Trump proclaimed to be able to stop the war in One Day, that he was going to announce to the World, what had truly happened, but as usual,.... That was just another Broken Campaign Promise.