Trump's Iran War Reaches Vietnam and Iraq War's Level of Unpopularity

[Doc7505]

In 10 states, a gallon of gas now costs more than $5

Imagine how Republicans will fare in November if gas prices continue rising at current rates

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Using California gas prices as a prop is misleading.
Gas prices where I live just broke $4.00/gal. With the lowering of the per crude oil barrel prices, gasoline and diesel prices will come down.

 

[georgephillip]

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Using California gas prices as a prop is misleading.
Gas prices where I live just broke $4.00/gal. With the lowering of the per crude oil barrel prices, gasoline and diesel prices will come down.

Never underestimate Trump's capacity for failure:

US Israel Iran War News Live Updates: ‘Ports fully ready’ - Iran offers ship support in Hormuz after Project Freedom's pause

"Iran War Updates: The United States and Iran have intensified hostilities in the Gulf, carrying out fresh missile and drone strikes as they compete for control over the Strait of Hormuz, a key global energy route.

"The renewed clashes come despite a recent ceasefire, raising concerns about a broader escalation in the region.

"The latest round of attacks includes reported explosions and fires on merchant vessels, as well as strikes on infrastructure in the United Arab Emirates, including an oil port in Fujairah.

"These developments signal a widening of the conflict’s geographical scope.

"The escalation follows the US launch of 'Project Freedom', an initiative aimed at reopening the strait to commercial shipping.

"The US military has claimed success in escorting vessels and neutralising threats, including the destruction of six Iranian boats.

"However, Iran has rejected these claims and warned against any foreign military presence in the area.

"The Strait of Hormuz remains central to the crisis, as it is one of the world’s most critical oil transit routes.

"Continued disruption has pushed up oil prices and increased shipping insurance costs, reflecting growing uncertainty in global markets.

"Both sides have issued conflicting accounts of events, making it difficult to independently verify developments on the ground.

"Shipping companies have adopted a cautious approach, avoiding the strait amid fears of further attacks.

"Meanwhile, diplomatic efforts are underway, with Iran indicating that talks mediated by Pakistan are ongoing. Iranian officials have emphasised that a military solution is not viable, even as tensions continue to rise.

"The evolving situation underscores the high stakes involved, with implications not only for regional stability but also for global energy security and economic stability.

"Read More

"07:18 (IST) May 07

"US Iran war: 'Trump failed across all fronts'- IRGC issues warning over potential military action against Iran
Iran’s IRGC Navy has warned that any potential attack by its adversaries would be met with a response 'beyond their calculations,' according to remarks by the force’s political deputy reported by Fars News Agency."

 

[luiza]

And worse
It is going so badly for king Trumpfy

He cancels Project Freedom as Iran downs KC-135 Squadron .

 

[georgephillip]

And worse
It is going so badly for king Trumpfy

He cancels Project Freedom as Iran downs KC-135 Squadron .

Trump had done more to end the US empire than anyone ever imagined:

US KC-135 tanker disappears over Qatar after emergency signal

"The cause of the emergency remains unknown, and there has been no official confirmation linking the incident to hostile activity.

"Fars News Agency, often associated with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, also reported the loss of the aircraft’s signal citing the same tracking data

"So far, neither Iranian authorities nor the US military have issued an official statement regarding the status of the KC-135."

 

[The Duke]

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Using California gas prices as a prop is misleading.
Gas prices where I live just broke $4.00/gal. With the lowering of the per crude oil barrel prices, gasoline and diesel prices will come down.

Gas is $4.60 here now. Really this is gouging by big oil, IMO.
We don't need oil from the middle east. :/

 

[22lcidw]

Trump had done more to end the US empire than anyone ever imagined:

US KC-135 tanker disappears over Qatar after emergency signal

"The cause of the emergency remains unknown, and there has been no official confirmation linking the incident to hostile activity.

"Fars News Agency, often associated with Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, also reported the loss of the aircraft’s signal citing the same tracking data

"So far, neither Iranian authorities nor the US military have issued an official statement regarding the status of the KC-135."

He is strengthening the empire as much as he can in its decline. How can we pay as many people as possible off and make products if we live off of China making the same products for a small percentage of the price we can.

 

[georgephillip]

He is strengthening the empire as much as he can in its decline. How can we pay as many people as possible off and make products if we live off of China making the same products for a small percentage of the price we can.

If that was true, why did Trump start another war of aggression in Iran?

 

[SweetSue92]

Sixty one percent of Americans might be on the light side of how many Americans think this war is a mistake. I think it is likely higher, the real number is 70 to 75% of Americans who disapprove. That includes those who say it was a "good idea", as they can't lie to themselves convincingly enough.

Hegseth's Congressional testimony was painful to watch, his conduct only serving to reinforce one's apprehension on how all this turns out.

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Poll: Trump’s Iran war reaches Iraq- and Vietnam-era disapproval levels​

A Post-ABC-Ipsos poll shows most Americans call the military action a mistake, even as Republicans remain strongly supportive. Many Americans fear the conflict will lead to a recession.



President Donald Trump’s war in Iran is as unpopular among Americans as the Iraq War during the year of peak violence in 2006 and the Vietnam War in the early 1970s, according to a Washington Post-ABC News-Ipsos poll, amid growing economic pain and fears of terrorism as a result of the military campaign.

Sixty-one percent of Americans say that using military force against Iran was a mistake, with fewer than 2 in 10 Americans believing that the U.S. actions in Iran have been successful. About 4 in 10 say it has been unsuccessful, while another 4 in 10 say it is “too soon to tell.” The polling numbers indicate a broadly unpopular war effort and growing economic fallout at a time when the White House has been trying to convince Americans that they are better off under Trump than under Democrats.

But support for the war among self-identified Republicans remains high: 79 percent say it was the right decision. Independents who lean toward the Republican Party are roughly split, with 52 percent saying it was the right decision and 46 percent saying it was a mistake.

Trump has indicated that the current impasse with Iran could last for an extended period, saying Wednesday that he planned to make Iranian leaders “cry uncle” and that there would “never be a deal unless they agree that there will be no nuclear weapons.” Iranian leaders — who have long denied they are seeking a nuclear weapon — say they want to reach an initial agreement to end the war and reopen a crucial global shipping chokepoint, the Strait of Hormuz, taking on nuclear talks only after that.

The president on Wednesday ruled out face-to-face negotiations for now, after an initial round in early April broke without a deal. He has paused the war indefinitely, but global oil inventory is diminishing with the near-total halt in shipping traffic through the strait. Brent crude futures, the global oil benchmark, were down 3.7 percent on Thursday, backing away from their highest level since 2022.

WaPo

First, we definitely do not want a nuclear-capable Iran. If you think gas prices are high now? Wait til they could make a nuke and then make it the entire world's problem.

Second, Trump has missed the temperature of Americans. People are being CRUSHED out here. Covid did us in (that was largely a Democrat doing, fwiw) and he hasn't put economic recovery front and center. We had Israel and then Iran and no help for housing, job market, GAS PRICES.

He will most likely pay in the midterms, and frankly, has brought it on himself.

 

[22lcidw]

If that was true, why did Trump start another war of aggression in Iran?

We need to control points of commerce on the planet. Hormuz is one of them. However, ideas for a canal and pipelines will bypass that. Another is the Malacca Strait. The Panama Canal. The Suez Canal. Access controlling China from its ports. Iran has seemed for intent on building Nukes with a militarized government than enriching itself to provide its people with comforts.

 

[gipper]

We need to control points of commerce on the planet. Hormuz is one of them. However, ideas for a canal and pipelines will bypass that. Another is the Malacca Strait. The Panama Canal. The Suez Canal. Access controlling China from its ports. Iran has seemed for intent on building Nukes with a militarized government than enriching itself to provide its people with comforts.

What right does the US government have to control world commerce?

 

[gipper]

He is strengthening the empire as much as he can in its decline. How can we pay as many people as possible off and make products if we live off of China making the same products for a small percentage of the price we can.

You voted for no new wars, mass deportations, release of Epstein, JFK, and 9/11 files. You’ve gotten none of this.

Now you’ve gotten a war of aggression for Israel, pushing up the price of gas and inflation. Now they want an amnesty for illegals. You got redacted Epstein files and now they won’t release anymore files and no prosecutions.

How can you be happy about this?

 

[22lcidw]

What right does the US government have to control world commerce?

The founding fathers created the Navy and Marines to keep the sea lanes open. They did not support foreign entanglements though. Trade is commerce to give people a better life.

 

[gipper]

The founding fathers created the Navy and Marines to keep the sea lanes open. They did not support foreign entanglements though. Trade is commerce to give people a better life.

No they didn’t. You clearly know nothing about the Founders. They were universally for nonintervention and no ties to any nation. Unlike our non-stop interventions and ties to the Zionist/Nazi regime committing genocide.

 

[georgephillip]

We need to control points of commerce on the planet. Hormuz is one of them. However, ideas for a canal and pipelines will bypass that. Another is the Malacca Strait. The Panama Canal. The Suez Canal. Access controlling China from its ports. Iran has seemed for intent on building Nukes with a militarized government than enriching itself to provide its people with comforts.

I don't think we have the military potential to control the Straits of Hormuz without making a WWII level of spending, including reintroducing a draft of 18-24 year olds.

Even that might not suffice if Russia and/or China decided to become directly involved.

Are you willing to risk WWIII for the American Empire?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

The founding fathers created the Navy and Marines to keep the sea lanes open. They did not support foreign entanglements though. Trade is commerce to give people a better life.

Protecting international waters is not a foreign entanglement. It’s national security.

 

[georgephillip]

Protecting international waters is not a foreign entanglement. It’s national security.

At its narrowest point, the Straits of Hormuz is not considered international waters:

GoogleAI Overview:

"The Strait of Hormuz is not considered "international waters" (high seas) in the sense of being free from coastal state jurisdiction; rather, at its narrowest (roughly 21–30 miles wide), it is entirely comprised of the overlapping territorial waters of Iran and Oman."

 

[Mac-7]

Sixty one percent of Americans might be on the light side of how many Americans think this war is a mistake. I think it is likely higher, the real number is 70 to 75% of Americans who disapprove. That includes those who say it was a "good idea", as they can't lie to themselves convincingly enough.

Hegseth's Congressional testimony was painful to watch, his conduct only serving to reinforce one's apprehension on how all this turns out.

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Poll: Trump’s Iran war reaches Iraq- and Vietnam-era disapproval levels​

A Post-ABC-Ipsos poll shows most Americans call the military action a mistake, even as Republicans remain strongly supportive. Many Americans fear the conflict will lead to a recession.



President Donald Trump’s war in Iran is as unpopular among Americans as the Iraq War during the year of peak violence in 2006 and the Vietnam War in the early 1970s, according to a Washington Post-ABC News-Ipsos poll, amid growing economic pain and fears of terrorism as a result of the military campaign.

Sixty-one percent of Americans say that using military force against Iran was a mistake, with fewer than 2 in 10 Americans believing that the U.S. actions in Iran have been successful. About 4 in 10 say it has been unsuccessful, while another 4 in 10 say it is “too soon to tell.” The polling numbers indicate a broadly unpopular war effort and growing economic fallout at a time when the White House has been trying to convince Americans that they are better off under Trump than under Democrats.

But support for the war among self-identified Republicans remains high: 79 percent say it was the right decision. Independents who lean toward the Republican Party are roughly split, with 52 percent saying it was the right decision and 46 percent saying it was a mistake.

Trump has indicated that the current impasse with Iran could last for an extended period, saying Wednesday that he planned to make Iranian leaders “cry uncle” and that there would “never be a deal unless they agree that there will be no nuclear weapons.” Iranian leaders — who have long denied they are seeking a nuclear weapon — say they want to reach an initial agreement to end the war and reopen a crucial global shipping chokepoint, the Strait of Hormuz, taking on nuclear talks only after that.

The president on Wednesday ruled out face-to-face negotiations for now, after an initial round in early April broke without a deal. He has paused the war indefinitely, but global oil inventory is diminishing with the near-total halt in shipping traffic through the strait. Brent crude futures, the global oil benchmark, were down 3.7 percent on Thursday, backing away from their highest level since 2022.

WaPo

Trump is doing whats best for America in the long run

But its hurting him politically

 

[georgephillip]

Is he lying (again)?

"'Live Updates: Trump calls off scheduled attack on Iran amid "serious negotiations" toward peace deal...'"​

"What to know about the Iran war today:​

• "President Trump announced Monday that he was calling off what he said was a scheduled attack on Iran that was supposed to happen Tuesday
• Live Updates: Trump calls off scheduled attack on Iran amid "serious negotiations" toward peace deal
• "The president said he made the decision because 'serious negotiations' were taking place toward a peace deal that Mr. Trump said will be acceptable to the U.S. and countries in the Middle East."

 

[odanny]

Trump is doing whats best for America in the long run

But its hurting him politically

He is doing what is best for him financially. There were multiple issues that needed to be addressed that were ignored by previous administrations that Trump had a golden opportunity (no pun intended) to repair, and instead of using a knife to cut the fat off a bloated government, instead of just fixing a border issue that was essentially a layup waiting to be made, Trump got out the chainsaw and blowtorch and proceeded to **** everything up in the "repair" process.

Relationships lost or damaged, expertise in government gone, markets that disappeared due to unreasonable and arbitrary tariffs, the list goes on, you get the idea.

 

[georgephillip]

He is doing what is best for him financially. There were multiple issues that needed to be addressed that were ignored by previous administrations that Trump had a golden opportunity (no pun intended) to repair, and instead of using a knife to cut the fat off a bloated government, instead of just fixing a border issue that was essentially a layup waiting to be made, Trump got out the chainsaw and blowtorch and proceeded to **** everything up in the "repair" process.

Relationships lost or damaged, expertise in government gone, markets that disappeared due to unreasonable and arbitrary tariffs, the list goes on, you get the idea.

Trump is always about doing what's best for him financially:

"Steady price for Palantir stock as Donald Trump insider stock purchases draw regulatory scrutiny"​

Steady price for Palantir stock as Donald Trump insider stock purchases draw regulatory scrutiny