Why Would We Go to War with Iran?

[gipper]

Do We Go to War to Prevent Iran from Having Nuclear Weapons?

I hate war. As a historian, I have read countless books about war, especially those over the past ce

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With due respect to Mr. Lewis, I think he misses the point.

Has there ever been a time (in recent history) when a sovereign nation formally and emphatically declared that it intended to obliterate a nearby country, as well as one on the other side of the world?

Nuclear aspirations or not, Iran declares constantly that it will not rest until Israel is gone, along with every Jew who lives there. They declare that the United States is the "Great Satan," and that it will do the same to the U.S. in the event that it obtains the means to do so. It is also worth mentioning that neither Israel nor the U.S. has any animosity against Persia or its people, except in reaction to the atrocities with which we are all familiar.

This alone justifies the attacks on Iran, as well as the pursuit of any means necessary to prevent Iran from building the tools necessary to carry out its stated intentions.

The lack of expressions of outrage from the usual suspects at the U.N. is telling.

Because Israel wants it and they own our ruling class. Nothing new here.

 

[Ringo]

But the most amazing thing is that Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Germany, Jordan, France, Syria and the UK support Israel and not Iran...

 

[Stryder50]

That is just a lie.
Iran never threatened anyone.
Everyone should want Israel gone, but that means a 1 state solution where it is called Palestine, and no longer has an illegal state religion.

The US is the "great Satan" who murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iranian civilians in 1953 when the CIA conducted the destruction of the Iranian democracy, and installed the Shah as a dictator. That is well known history.
Claiming the US "has no animosities towards Persia" is an obvious lie, since they we would not have conducted Operation Ajax and wiped out their democracy.

Iran has a legal right to nukes are a defensive deterrent any claim that risks the US is false because Iran has not means of reaching the US with

Western Allies, USA & UK, became involved with/in Persia/Iran early WWII.

First was when Nazi Germany and Vichy France started insurrections in that part of the Middle East.

Second was just after the USA began Lend-Lease and rather than have Russia/USSR move into Iran, the UK/USA made arrangements to set-up rail transit through to Russia for the Lend-Lease going via that route.

The Shah situation was an effort to thwart Soviet meddling in Iran seeking to get a "People's Revolution" to expand it's "Iron Curtain" in that direct/country.

 

[Stryder50]

Anyone attacking Iran has to be an idiot since drones capable or assassinating anyone are very cheap and easy to come by.
Anyone who tries to attack Iran will have a run in with a drone soon after.

There's a Predator in circling over-watch on your location.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
We gave Saddam weapons like anthrax and mustard gas to use on Iran.
Ambassador Glasspie gave Saddam permission to invade Kuwait for stealing oil.

Wrong on all counts. If for no other reason that simple fact is that the USA has no stocks of war gases or biological weapons. Glaspie gave no such permission, Saddam heard what he wanted to hear.

 

[scruffy]

Wrong.
The whole world has turned against Israel.
They actually were very unpopular even in 1946 when Menachem Begin blew up the British peacekeepers in the King David Hotel.

Jeez. You're a nut. Don't you have anything recent? Maybe the last decade or something?

 

[scruffy]

Wrong.
It is the US ships who are intercepting Iranian missiles, not anyone else.

Horseshit.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Libya is a shit hole country with the largest active slave trade in the world.

Thanks Obama/Xiden and Clinton

The return of slavery in Libya​

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Today Libya is, alas, still a breeding ground for slavery. The migration crisis has multiplied opportunities for smugglers to reduce many migrants to the

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Libya, a transit zone for migrants and traffickers​

Slavery in Libya will never be a distant memory. Since 2011, with the collapse of the Libyan regime resulting from the death of its leader Muammar Gaddafi, the country has never ceased to sink into a pit of problems, with the migration crisis playing a role in this collapse.

This is of course what the Demafacsit want, and what they are fighting for in the United States today, in places like LA....they want their slaves and illegals to exploit.

You are supporting my argument. Since WW2, WHAT COUNTRY IS BETTER AFTER THE US ATTACKED IT?

 

[struth]

You are supporting my argument. Since WW2, WHAT COUNTRY IS BETTER AFTER THE US ATTACKED IT?

What countries have we “-attacked?”

 

[Stryder50]

Back in 2009-2010 there was an opportunity to remove the mullahs and possibly have a more neutral Iran. But Muslim (and traitor) Obama turned the USA back on the Green Movement, letting them be destroyed by the Iranian dictatorship.

It might be possible to revive that grassroots movement for regime change, and assist with some minimumal USA aid to regime change Iran.
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The Iranian Green Movement (Persian: جنبش سبز ایران, jonbash sabz iran) or Green Wave of Iran (موج سبز ایران, moj sabz iran),<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> also referred to as the Persian Awakening or Persian Spring by the western media,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> refers to a political movement that arose after the 12 June, 2009 Iranian presidential election and lasted until early 2010,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> in which protesters demanded the removal of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from office. Green was initially used as the symbol of Mir Hossein Mousavi's campaign, but after the election it became the symbol of unity and hope for those asking for annulment of what they regarded as a fraudulent election. Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi are recognized as political leaders of the Green Movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri was also mentioned as spiritual leader of the movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

The Green Movement protests were a major event in Iran's modern political history and observers claimed that these protests were the largest since the Iranian Revolution of 1978–79.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> While the protests started out as a peaceful, non-violent movement, hundreds of people were arrested and several died as protests turned more violent in the following months. The movement eventually had trouble with retaining its momentum.
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Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia

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[Stryder50]

Back in 2009-2010 there was an opportunity to remove the mullahs and possibly have a more neutral Iran. But Muslim (and traitor) Obama turned the USA back on the Green Movement, letting them be destroyed by the Iranian dictatorship.

It might be possible to revive that grassroots movement for regime change, and assist with some minimumal USA aid to regime change Iran.
...
The Iranian Green Movement (Persian: جنبش سبز ایران, jonbash sabz iran) or Green Wave of Iran (موج سبز ایران, moj sabz iran),<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> also referred to as the Persian Awakening or Persian Spring by the western media,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> refers to a political movement that arose after the 12 June, 2009 Iranian presidential election and lasted until early 2010,<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> in which protesters demanded the removal of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from office. Green was initially used as the symbol of Mir Hossein Mousavi's campaign, but after the election it became the symbol of unity and hope for those asking for annulment of what they regarded as a fraudulent election. Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi are recognized as political leaders of the Green Movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri was also mentioned as spiritual leader of the movement.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a>

The Green Movement protests were a major event in Iran's modern political history and observers claimed that these protests were the largest since the Iranian Revolution of 1978–79.<a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a><a href="Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> While the protests started out as a peaceful, non-violent movement, hundreds of people were arrested and several died as protests turned more violent in the following months. The movement eventually had trouble with retaining its momentum.
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Iranian Green Movement - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

For those not quite astute enough, some limited support from the USA in form of select airstrikes and Special Forces insertion, weapons and equipment supplied to dependable Green Insurgents, find Iranian military and leadership willing to turn, etc. and the situation could be changed, fixed, and neutralized in little time.

Assuming other powers like Russia or China don't meddle in opposition.

Also, of course, some co-ordination with Israel on these operations.

It would seem there is more support among the Iranian people for this sort of solution than for keeping the mullah fanatics in power.

 

[GLASNOST]

Why Would We Go to War with Iran?​

Because the MIC will have to accept the fact that Russia is going to slam the door shut on Ukraine.

 

[braalian]

But the most amazing thing is that Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Germany, Jordan, France, Syria and the UK support Israel and not Iran...

calling the UK, Germany and France "Muslim countries" makes you a ridiculous person

 

[braalian]

Anyone attacking Iran has to be an idiot since drones capable or assassinating anyone are very cheap and easy to come by.
Anyone who tries to attack Iran will have a run in with a drone soon after.

and yet, they've never managed to kill any high ranking Israelis with these drones.

Why?

Iseral killed the highest ranking Iranians in their military in a matter of minutes.

Why?

Your claptrap doesn't add up....

 

[Dorian Mode]

I don't particularly like Israel's government, and I don't like Iran's government. So, if two bad governments want to destroy each other, I say let them do it. BUT, America should stay out and fix America's internal problems for the time being. If and once China and/or Russia enter this war, then it is time for America to make a hard decision.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Do We Go to War to Prevent Iran from Having Nuclear Weapons?

I hate war. As a historian, I have read countless books about war, especially those over the past ce

townhall.com

With due respect to Mr. Lewis, I think he misses the point.

Has there ever been a time (in recent history) when a sovereign nation formally and emphatically declared that it intended to obliterate a nearby country, as well as one on the other side of the world?

Nuclear aspirations or not, Iran declares constantly that it will not rest until Israel is gone, along with every Jew who lives there. They declare that the United States is the "Great Satan," and that it will do the same to the U.S. in the event that it obtains the means to do so. It is also worth mentioning that neither Israel nor the U.S. has any animosity against Persia or its people, except in reaction to the atrocities with which we are all familiar.

This alone justifies the attacks on Iran, as well as the pursuit of any means necessary to prevent Iran from building the tools necessary to carry out its stated intentions.

The lack of expressions of outrage from the usual suspects at the U.N. is telling.

Oil.

4 OPEC countries in 2001 hated the US. Iraq, bye bye, Syria, bye bye, Venezuela, sanctions, Iran, sanctions.....

 

[struth]

Oil.

4 OPEC countries in 2001 hated the US. Iraq, bye bye, Syria, bye bye, Venezuela, sanctions, Iran, sanctions.....

Syria isn’t in OPEC

 

[braalian]

I don't particularly like Israel's government, and I don't like Iran's government. So, if two bad governments want to destroy each other, I say let them do it. BUT, America should stay out and fix America's internal problems for the time being. If and once China and/or Russia enter this war, then it is time for America to make a hard decision.

Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 1960s. It has never once used them, despite being surrounded by hostile nations that literally make up chants about "pushing the jews into the sea".

If the Islamafascists in power in Tehran ever develop the bomb, they'll nuke any "infidels" they see fit as soon as they possibly can.

That's a big, big, big, big difference.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 1960s. It has never once used them, despite being surrounded by hostile nations that literally make up chants about "pushing the jews into the sea".

If the Islamafascists in power in Tehran ever develop the bomb, they'll nuke any "infidels" they see fit as soon as they possibly can.

That's a big, big, big, big difference.

That's a supposition, just like they said with North Korea, who hates the entire world and now has nukes. It seems having nukes is a defensive position, as many countries have nukes but only one has ever used them. Moreover, atomic bombs are last millennium's weapon of choice. Bioweapons are the weapons of the future and no one can stop any country from developing them. Humanity continues to develop more and better ways to destroy humanity and eventually this will occur. We need leaders who understand this and are smart enough to avoid the destruction of humanity. Both Israel and Iran lack such intelligent leadership.

 

[georgephillip]

Has there ever been a time (in recent history) when a sovereign nation formally and emphatically declared that it intended to obliterate a nearby country, as well as one on the other side of the world?

You should worry more about the sovereign nation, armed with hundreds of nuclear weapons, which is currently committing genocide in Gaza, and will never hesitate to use a nuclear weapon to destroy Tehran if its cities continue to burn