Why would Putin not want a cease fire while a long term peace agreement is finalized.

[EvilCat Breath]

No, thats a lie you made up to justify to yourself your own poor behaviors and the idiotic things you say.

I say, assassinate Putin yesterday, carpet bomb all of his forces in Ukraine, then watch as russia does not launch nukes.

Or, just keep him at bay until he drops dead or all of his conscripts do the same.

Thanks for asking, surrender monkey.

Putin is way better than democrats. Take shitstain obama's peace prize away and give it to Putin. Now, it's mighty tempting to wish Russian nukes falling on say, New York and Los Angeles. But he's not that kindly.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Why do you assume Putin wants peace in the first place OP?

He doesn't. To think he does is foolish. He was killing innocent men, women and children while sitting next to Trump in Alaska.

 

[airplanemechanic]

That is my point, Putin is playing Trump. Putin is getting what he wants while Trump thinks his best friend, Putin, would never lie to him.

Trump is not stupid. Trump is doing what he has to do. He's not skipping any steps. That way, his critics, like you, can't say he didn't try when he finally gives up if it doesn't work and sanctions Russia and rearms Ukraine.

You have to "do diplomacy." I mean past presidents have met with the likes of Stalin, Mao, etc. It's part of the game.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Putin is way better than democrats. Take shitstain obama's peace prize away and give it to Putin. Now, it's mighty tempting to wish Russian nukes falling on say, New York and Los Angeles. But he's not that kindly.

ODS

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump is not stupid.

Haha

Come on

Trump is pretty stupid. Objectively.

Trump is rolling over for Putin and selling out Ukraine in hopes of having something to brag about when he shitposts.

Nothing more. And everyone knows it, especially the European heads of state.

 

[Stuartbirdan2]

Putin is way better than democrats. Take shitstain obama's peace prize away and give it to Putin. Now, it's mighty tempting to wish Russian nukes falling on say, New York and Los Angeles. But he's not that kindly.

Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments, Revisited

The comprehensive legacy of the 44th President.

washingtonmonthly.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments, Revisited

The comprehensive legacy of the 44th President.

washingtonmonthly.com

I forgot some of the more disgusting things he was responsible for. His handiwork that we are trying to undo to this day.

 

[MarcATL]

/---/ With no help from democRATs.
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Help doing what exactly?

Has Trump expressed that he wants or needs any help in whatever he's doing?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Haha

Come on

Trump is pretty stupid. Objectively.

Trump is rolling over for Putin and selling out Ukraine in hopes of having something to brag about when he shitposts.

Nothing more. And everyone knows it, especially the European heads of state.

No, he's not stupid at all. This kind of stupidity is why your party isn't in charge anymore. You can't tell a nuclear nation that invaded another nation "You get nothing and we want you to stop after you lost a million people" and expect them to do anything but say "yea, **** you".

He knows that if he tells Putin "you get no land" Putin says **** you, and keeps the war going indefinitely. Then liberals like you will say Trump failed and Putin played him. Just like you are saying now. Trump will HAVE to give Putin SOMETHING to stop the killing. But Ukraine will get security guarantees in return. It's not a great situation, but if it stops 7000 people a week from dying, it's decent enough.

Trump has played Putin like a fiddle. Putin was hoping to drive a wedge between the US and Europe, and instead he got to see the US and European allies all together at the same table at the White House all coming together to support Ukraine. That was absolutely the LAST thing Putin wanted to see.

Trump is winning this battle of attrition hands down.

Stop watching PMSNOW and learn something.

Oh yea, please remember, you democrats gave Putin Crimea. No problem at all. So don't act like you suddenly give a **** about Ukraine. The war was started under you libshits. Putin said had Trump won, there would have been no war. Now the real men have to come in and try to sort out the mess you left them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, he's not stupid at all.

I had to stop there.

Good god this country is in trouble.

Embarrassing.

 

[Man With A Plan]

tRump has no cards to play with Putin

Putin said at the beginning of this fiasco, NATO agreed “not one inch closet to Russia “

obomba helped orchestrate a coup in 14

Thinking that would pressure Putin

Putin took Crimea without combat

biden kept dangling joining NATO to Zelenskyy

Knowing full well that would NEVER happen

Putin is in control

The best tRump can do is hope that his base thinks that he has something to do with the end result

I beg to differ. The cards that Trump will be playing is lowering the price of natural gas and oil, depriving Putin of cash and threatening harsh sanctions against countries like India if they continue to buy oil from Russia. That's always been the correct way to handle someone like Putin.

 

[Flopper]

Why would Putin not want a cease fire while a long term peace agreement is finalized.
A cease fire would stop the killing of many Russians. It would stop the monetary cost of war.
If you are committed to peace, stop the fighting and work out an agreement.

Putin does not want a peace agreement. He wants the Ukraine because he believes it's part of Russia. As Putin said in an economic forum in St. Petersburg, " “I have said many times that I consider the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours,” Putin told forum guests. “We have an old rule. Wherever a Russian soldier sets foot is ours.”

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I beg to differ. The cards that Trump will be playing is lowering the price of natural gas and oil, depriving Putin of cash and threatening harsh sanctions against countries like India if they continue to buy oil from Russia. That's always been the correct way to handle someone like Putin.

Huh, he threatened them with sanctions already, more than once. But now Putin will be a'skeered!

Come on.

 

[Mrkelly]

I beg to differ. The cards that Trump will be playing is lowering the price of natural gas and oil, depriving Putin of cash and threatening harsh sanctions against countries like India if they continue to buy oil from Russia. That's always been the correct way to handle someone like Putin.

And Putin has given tRump a big **** you

Look up BRICS

 

[ElmerMudd]

You WANT the peace talks to fail! Of COURSE you do. There should be no cease fire. It's unnecessary.

Those are Russia's talking points. The rest of the world is saying cease fire and negotiate peace.
THAT STOPS THE KILLING.
You and Trump are doing Russia's bidding. Disgusting. Treasonous. Idiotic.

They want to keep fighting until they have all of Ukraine. Putin does not care how many Russians die.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Putin does not want a peace agreement. He wants the Ukraine because he believes it's part of Russia. As Putin said in an economic forum in St. Petersburg, " “I have said many times that I consider the Russian and Ukrainian peoples to be one people. In this sense, all of Ukraine is ours,” Putin told forum guests. “We have an old rule. Wherever a Russian soldier sets foot is ours.”

Putin can talk about history but he wants Ukraine for the resources it brings Russia. It is the bread basket of the region. He is focusinng on the port regions that help the Russian economy. Like all despots he wants more of everything. He will never be happy. He will continue to go after more.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Why would Putin not want a cease fire while a long term peace agreement is finalized.
A cease fire would stop the killing of many Russians. It would stop the monetary cost of war.
If you are committed to peace, stop the fighting and work out an agreement.

Putin is "committed to peace", as long as that peace is him winning. He doesn't care about Russians or Ukrainians. He cares about himself and his legacy.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Trump is not stupid. Trump is doing what he has to do. He's not skipping any steps. That way, his critics, like you, can't say he didn't try when he finally gives up if it doesn't work and sanctions Russia and rearms Ukraine.

You have to "do diplomacy." I mean past presidents have met with the likes of Stalin, Mao, etc. It's part of the game.

US Presidents have a history with Putin. Trump has not read the history.
Trump envies Putins power. Trump wants to end the war so he may get the Nobel peace prize and he still wants to be friends with Putin. That only works if Putin gets his way. If Putin gets his way, there is no Nobel peace prize for Trump. Maybe just the opposite.. Putin is taking advantage of Trump as he has attempted to take advantage of all US President. They all eventually realized it.

 

[Clipper]

You started it with nonsense about the difference between cease fire and peace. There is no difference, they go together except in the minds of the TDS afflicted.

There can be no peace agreement without a cease fire which Putin does not want. Trump backed off a cease fire because he's too spineless to stand up to Putin.

 

[Hafar1014]

US Presidents have a history with Putin. Trump has not read the history.
Trump envies Putins power. Trump wants to end the war so he may get the Nobel peace prize and he still wants to be friends with Putin. That only works if Putin gets his way. If Putin gets his way, there is no Nobel peace prize for Trump. Maybe just the opposite.. Putin is taking advantage of Trump as he has attempted to take advantage of all US President. They all eventually realized it.

Putins back is against the wall he is all bluster and threats. Sanction him and wreck his economy