Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

[EMH]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...

 

[sarahgop]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...

Antifa is a Brownshirt group.

 

[westwall]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Don't know. Why do you?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

Because not everyone sees life as a series of your binary choices.

 

[OldLady]

As for the OP's question, the answer is that we shouldn't. I don't think most people know what fascism is. Just reading the posts in this thread, much less this message board, tells me that many-if-not-most people think it is just brutal authoritarianism, which is too broad a definition. That gives people the ability to lump it in with Marxism and Communism, but the two are opposite sides of a spectrum. We have virtually no actual Communist threat in this country right now, but about a quarter to a third of us apparently support a system that is at best 'fascism-adjacent.'

The answer is education. More of us need to set aside the partisan BS, know how to spot it and why it is such a threat. Hopefully, then, enough voters can do what's best for the country, rather than for them personally, and reject it.

Giving up on democracy for an authoritarian is the most natural thing in the world. Democracy takes work, patience, not always getting we want. It seems to take forever to make a decision, there are always nay sayers braying against the ideas we like best. We vote for people to represent us but sometimes they let us down, don't do what they promised, and we're stuck with them for years.

Historically, the ancient Greeks tried it in Athens and when Rome read about it, they thought it sounded good. It worked for a couple hundred years, but the senators and leaders became too interested in their own power and wealth, and eventually one climbed to the top of the heap and they said So be it, and schemed to be the next #1.

If you think our story is any different, you're wrong. The bread and circuses are coming thick and fast to keep the rabble quiet. The Congress is about preserving its own power. And one is trying as we speak to climb to the top of the heap and take charge. Right now, as we speak, while we bicker on the internet between ourselves over nonsense and treat it all like a form of entertainment.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

At least one poster in recent threads praised Pinochet; that's as fascist (and pitiful) as they come. Talk is getting pretty extreme. Division is rife. America's enemies are celebrating.

Pinochet was the only leader in the Western Hemisphere who successfully beat back the Communists

 

[westwall]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

Because not everyone sees life as a series of your binary choices.

Nor yours.

 

[Pellinore]

As for the OP's question, the answer is that we shouldn't. I don't think most people know what fascism is. Just reading the posts in this thread, much less this message board, tells me that many-if-not-most people think it is just brutal authoritarianism, which is too broad a definition. That gives people the ability to lump it in with Marxism and Communism, but the two are opposite sides of a spectrum. We have virtually no actual Communist threat in this country right now, but about a quarter to a third of us apparently support a system that is at best 'fascism-adjacent.'

The answer is education. More of us need to set aside the partisan BS, know how to spot it and why it is such a threat. Hopefully, then, enough voters can do what's best for the country, rather than for them personally, and reject it.

Giving up on democracy for an authoritarian is the most natural thing in the world. Democracy takes work, patience, not always getting we want. It seems to take forever to make a decision, there are always nay sayers braying against the ideas we like best. We vote for people to represent us but sometimes they let us down, don't do what they promised, and we're stuck with them for years.

Historically, the ancient Greeks tried it in Athens and when Rome read about it, they thought it sounded good. It worked for a couple hundred years, but the senators and leaders became too interested in their own power and wealth, and eventually one climbed to the top of the heap and they said So be it, and schemed to be the next #1.

If you think our story is any different, you're wrong. The bread and circuses are coming thick and fast to keep the rabble quiet. The Congress is about preserving its own power. And one is trying as we speak to climb to the top of the heap and take charge. Right now, as we speak, while we bicker on the internet between ourselves over nonsense and treat it all like a form of entertainment.

Oh, I've read enough history to know not to think we're any different at all. Our Founding Fathers thought the same, which is why they gave us every weapon they could think of to help us resist it. Jury's out whether they will work. I have talked to people—otherwise rational, virtuous, patriotic Americans—who believe that we're for some reason immune to the danger of authoritarianism, and it makes me cringe.

I was making a point about the different kinds, and how the way that people misuse the term 'fascism' is actually making it easier for it to gain a foothold.

 

[OldLady]

As for the OP's question, the answer is that we shouldn't. I don't think most people know what fascism is. Just reading the posts in this thread, much less this message board, tells me that many-if-not-most people think it is just brutal authoritarianism, which is too broad a definition. That gives people the ability to lump it in with Marxism and Communism, but the two are opposite sides of a spectrum. We have virtually no actual Communist threat in this country right now, but about a quarter to a third of us apparently support a system that is at best 'fascism-adjacent.'

The answer is education. More of us need to set aside the partisan BS, know how to spot it and why it is such a threat. Hopefully, then, enough voters can do what's best for the country, rather than for them personally, and reject it.

Giving up on democracy for an authoritarian is the most natural thing in the world. Democracy takes work, patience, not always getting we want. It seems to take forever to make a decision, there are always nay sayers braying against the ideas we like best. We vote for people to represent us but sometimes they let us down, don't do what they promised, and we're stuck with them for years.

Historically, the ancient Greeks tried it in Athens and when Rome read about it, they thought it sounded good. It worked for a couple hundred years, but the senators and leaders became too interested in their own power and wealth, and eventually one climbed to the top of the heap and they said So be it, and schemed to be the next #1.

If you think our story is any different, you're wrong. The bread and circuses are coming thick and fast to keep the rabble quiet. The Congress is about preserving its own power. And one is trying as we speak to climb to the top of the heap and take charge. Right now, as we speak, while we bicker on the internet between ourselves over nonsense and treat it all like a form of entertainment.

Oh, I've read enough history to know not to think we're any different at all. Our Founding Fathers thought the same, which is why they gave us every weapon they could think of to help us resist it. Jury's out whether they will work. I have talked to people—otherwise rational, virtuous, patriotic Americans—who believe that we're for some reason immune to the danger of authoritarianism, and it makes me cringe.

I was making a point about the different kinds, and how the way that people misuse the term 'fascism' is actually making it easier for it to gain a foothold.

Please don't take my post as an argument against yours. I found your post thoughtful and I wasn't addressing you when I said "you."

Good post. Thanks.

 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

Because not everyone sees life as a series of your binary choices.

Nor yours.

NO U!

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

If the goal was to pit American against American.......DAMN they knew what they were / are doing !!!!!!!

 

[Dragonlady]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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I noticed you left out the historic facts as to what antifa is and where it came from,,they are communist that are far more violent and oppressive than any fascist in history,,,

Fascists murdered 6 million people in Germany and Europe. How much more vicious and violent could anti-fa possibly have been than that?

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby? You don't have the common sense God gave a goose.

 

[OKTexas]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Projecting much?

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[westwall]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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I noticed you left out the historic facts as to what antifa is and where it came from,,they are communist that are far more violent and oppressive than any fascist in history,,,

Fascists murdered 6 million people in Germany and Europe. How much more vicious and violent could anti-fa possibly have been than that?

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby? You don't have the common sense God gave a goose.

Antifart communists murdered 65 MILLION. Moron.

 

[progressive hunter]

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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I noticed you left out the historic facts as to what antifa is and where it came from,,they are communist that are far more violent and oppressive than any fascist in history,,,

Fascists murdered 6 million people in Germany and Europe. How much more vicious and violent could anti-fa possibly have been than that?

How many times were you dropped on your head as a baby? You don't have the common sense God gave a goose.

the ideology that antifa supported killed 100 million people in russia and china,, I think 100 is a bigger number than 6,, and if you check your history that number is closer to 11,,

what say you??

 

[schmidlap]

Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?​

I am unaware of any patriot who would. A few fringe crackpots may be smitten with Q crap, but Pelosi's unequivocal condemnation speaks for Americans in general: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., condemned what she called the "violent actions of people calling themselves Antifa."

The former guy's fawning over Vlady Putin, lavishing praise on Xi Jianping, and declaring his love for Kim Jung Un is a weakness that should never be applied to domestic politics, let alone international affinities.

 

[sartre play]

Any one personally know anyone in ANTIFA? Been to a meeting, anything constructive in that regard, or is this an invisible bogy man?

 

[Richard-H]

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

Perfect description of the democrat party and the stalinist dictators who ruled like stalin the last year.

Grasping at straws much?

 

[there4eyeM]

At least one poster in recent threads praised Pinochet; that's as fascist (and pitiful) as they come. Talk is getting pretty extreme. Division is rife. America's enemies are celebrating.

Pinochet was the only leader in the Western Hemisphere who successfully beat back the Communists

This is equivalent to saying rectal cancer "beat back" lung cancer by killing the patient earlier.

 

[Richard-H]

I'm no big fan of Antifa. I can understand the concept, but I've been at a few events where Antifa showed up. In my experience, they attract a few too many people who are there mostly for the chance to fight someone. This is exacerbated by the fact that because they are so informal (they are organized basically like fans of a sports team—the same idea, but no unifying authority) that they don't have anyone to control or focus their actions.

So it's their individualism that upsets you?