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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

The Constitutional phrase "All enemies both foreign and domestic" refers to enemies of the United States, not enemies of Donald Trump, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Qunatics and other fascist organizations.
 

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Any one personally know anyone in ANTIFA? Been to a meeting, anything constructive in that regard, or is this an invisible bogy man?

It's more of an invisible bogey man.

It's a bunch of individuals that object to fascism. There's no formal organization, it's an idea.

Some of those individuals may form small groups which get out of hand, and some may cause violence, but there is no tactical leadership or organization.

It's just an idea, and that's what really scares the fascists.
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

The Constitutional phrase "All enemies both foreign and domestic" refers to enemies of the United States, not enemies of Donald Trump, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Qunatics and other fascist organizations.
Doesn't answer my question:
Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation?
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Except of course for Presidential elections. Then it doesn't matter who you are.
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

The Constitutional phrase "All enemies both foreign and domestic" refers to enemies of the United States, not enemies of Donald Trump, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Qunatics and other fascist organizations.
Doesn't answer my question:
Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation?

I didn't intend to answer your question, I intended to correct your misinterpretation of the phrase "All enemies foreign and domestic".

But just to straighten your dumbass out:

Anti-Nationalists aren't against national patriotism. That's why you're the only one that has ever used the term. It's a totally bogus term.

What YOU call anti-nationalists are people who are against the perverse use of national patriotism to further anti-American beliefs.

There's a difference between nationalists and white nationalism. White nationalists pervert national patriotism to promote anti-American ideas.

Any other dumb questions?
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Except of course for Presidential elections. Then it doesn't matter who you are.

The police can ask anyone on public property for identification. They generally don't hang out at the polls and ask people for ID, because they know it would be a huge waste of their time.
 

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Wow, everyone....

Post # 44


Nazis are not fascists


Translation - fascists are whatever the leftwing bigots at the top of ANTIFA want them to be....

And ANTIFA wants to define fascist as supporting trump....
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

The Constitutional phrase We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.refers to enemies of the United States, not enemies of Donald Trump, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Qunatics and other fascist organizations.
Doesn't answer my question:
Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation?

I didn't intend to answer your question, I intended to correct your misinterpretation of the phrase "All enemies foreign and domestic".

But just to straighten your dumbass out:

Anti-Nationalists aren't against national patriotism. That's why you're the only one that has ever used the term. It's a totally bogus term.

What YOU call anti-nationalists are people who are against the perverse use of national patriotism to further anti-American beliefs.

There's a difference between nationalists and white nationalism. White nationalists pervert national patriotism to promote anti-American ideas.

Any other dumb questions?
The bullshit and totally bogus term is "white nationalist" which is a fairly recent invention by the far Left to imply that there is something wrong with being both white and a nationalist. Are all whites patriots (another term for nationalists)? Are all nationalists white? Are all nationalists American? Using the term white nationalist to mean white supremist is left wing propaganda plain and simple.

"All enemies foreign and domestic" means exactly what it says; all enemies of America and the Constitution whether they claim to be Americans or not. That includes anti-American/anti-Constitution groups or individuals. America is a Constitutional Republic and is defined as such in the Constitution. Anyone who attempts to force any other form of government on Americans becomes an enemy who all members of government, the military, and law enforcement as well as others are sworn to defend against. Fascism is a form of government. So is Communism. Anarchy is a lack of any government (including our own).
Any other dumb statements?
 

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As for the OP's question, the answer is that we shouldn't. I don't think most people know what fascism is. Just reading the posts in this thread, much less this message board, tells me that many-if-not-most people think it is just brutal authoritarianism, which is too broad a definition. That gives people the ability to lump it in with Marxism and Communism, but the two are opposite sides of a spectrum. We have virtually no actual Communist threat in this country right now, but about a quarter to a third of us apparently support a system that is at best 'fascism-adjacent.'

The answer is education. More of us need to set aside the partisan BS, know how to spot it and why it is such a threat. Hopefully, then, enough voters can do what's best for the country, rather than for them personally, and reject it.
Giving up on democracy for an authoritarian is the most natural thing in the world. Democracy takes work, patience, not always getting we want. It seems to take forever to make a decision, there are always nay sayers braying against the ideas we like best. We vote for people to represent us but sometimes they let us down, don't do what they promised, and we're stuck with them for years.

Historically, the ancient Greeks tried it in Athens and when Rome read about it, they thought it sounded good. It worked for a couple hundred years, but the senators and leaders became too interested in their own power and wealth, and eventually one climbed to the top of the heap and they said So be it, and schemed to be the next #1.

If you think our story is any different, you're wrong. The bread and circuses are coming thick and fast to keep the rabble quiet. The Congress is about preserving its own power. And one is trying as we speak to climb to the top of the heap and take charge. Right now, as we speak, while we bicker on the internet between ourselves over nonsense and treat it all like a form of entertainment.
Oh, I've read enough history to know not to think we're any different at all. Our Founding Fathers thought the same, which is why they gave us every weapon they could think of to help us resist it. Jury's out whether they will work. I have talked to people—otherwise rational, virtuous, patriotic Americans—who believe that we're for some reason immune to the danger of authoritarianism, and it makes me cringe.

I was making a point about the different kinds, and how the way that people misuse the term 'fascism' is actually making it easier for it to gain a foothold.
Please don't take my post as an argument against yours. I found your post thoughtful and I wasn't addressing you when I said "you."

Good post. Thanks.
Ah! Super, thank you.
 

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Any one personally know anyone in ANTIFA? Been to a meeting, anything constructive in that regard, or is this an invisible bogy man?
I know a few guys who support them and defend them when the topic comes up. They may or may not have marched with them, I don't know.
 

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I'm no big fan of Antifa. I can understand the concept, but I've been at a few events where Antifa showed up. In my experience, they attract a few too many people who are there mostly for the chance to fight someone. This is exacerbated by the fact that because they are so informal (they are organized basically like fans of a sports team—the same idea, but no unifying authority) that they don't have anyone to control or focus their actions.

So it's their individualism that upsets you?
No. I didn't say that, or anything close to that.
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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TLDR
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation? Might also want to define "anarchy" and "communism" (both of which we have fought long since we fought the Nazis). "All enemies foreign and domestic" most certainly includes antifa.

The Constitutional phrase We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.refers to enemies of the United States, not enemies of Donald Trump, Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, Qunatics and other fascist organizations.
Doesn't answer my question:
Silliest thing I've read in a long time. Why would an anti-nationalist care who the Nation has fought or why? Why pretend to care about the Constitution that establishes a nation?

I didn't intend to answer your question, I intended to correct your misinterpretation of the phrase "All enemies foreign and domestic".

But just to straighten your dumbass out:

Anti-Nationalists aren't against national patriotism. That's why you're the only one that has ever used the term. It's a totally bogus term.

What YOU call anti-nationalists are people who are against the perverse use of national patriotism to further anti-American beliefs.

There's a difference between nationalists and white nationalism. White nationalists pervert national patriotism to promote anti-American ideas.

Any other dumb questions?
The bullshit and totally bogus term is "white nationalist" which is a fairly recent invention by the far Left to imply that there is something wrong with being both white and a nationalist. Are all whites patriots (another term for nationalists)? Are all nationalists white? Are all nationalists American? Using the term white nationalist to mean white supremist is left wing propaganda plain and simple.

"All enemies foreign and domestic" means exactly what it says; all enemies of America and the Constitution whether they claim to be Americans or not. That includes anti-American/anti-Constitution groups or individuals. America is a Constitutional Republic and is defined as such in the Constitution. Anyone who attempts to force any other form of government on Americans becomes an enemy who all members of government, the military, and law enforcement as well as others are sworn to defend against. Fascism is a form of government. So is Communism. Anarchy is a lack of any government (including our own).
Any other dumb statements?
Nationalists are those who believe that true members of their group is superior to all others, and deserve more social benefits than anyone else. Usually, then the term is used on its own, it refers to people of a nation believing in their nation's superiority, but it can also apply to those of an ethnicity, religion, and so on. Therefore, "white nationalists" believe that whites are naturally superior, "Christian nationalists" believe that about Christians, and so on. It's not new or one-sided; the term has been around since the 50s, and is used commonly in political science.
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




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ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
Nazis are fascists, but they are not Fascists.

Mussolini's group was the Fascists, with a capital F. The idea, as it spread, came to be called fascism, with a lower-case f. It's similar to Democratic/democratic or Republican/republican; one is the party, one is the idea. I know, I would rather they have used a separate term, but political theorists are like that.

Robert Paxton (whose book, The Anatomy of Fascism, is one you should all read) pointed out that fascism adapts itself to the culture it takes over. Nazism was the 1930s German version of fascism, adapted to the German culture of the time, which is why it embraced anti-Semitism in ways the Italians did not.
 

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But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support,

This statement is untrue. Antifa are, in fact, the fascists they claim to be against.
 
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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




.



ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
Very few Americans know the term "fascist" can be credited to Mussolini.

The trump Nazis throw words like "socialism", "socialist", "communist", "communism", "fascist", "traitor", "Marxist", and a host of other criticisms aimed at anyone who opposes their agenda of white supremacy. It's an agenda promoted by the GOP, FOX Noise, and every other right-wing extremist propaganda source. But, none of them know the true meaning of their favored insults for those they've deemed the "enemies of America", The Republican Party's political strategists spent the last six decades planting select and erroneous images in the trump Nazis' stupid heads.

In addition to the treasonous congressional Republicans that have gotten behind the grifter trump, and in doing so, have abandoned our democratic principles, the 74 million trump Nazis are electing more of these traitors-to-democracy. The goal of the GOP is to cheat tens-of-millions of Americans of their right to vote, as the Grand Old Party and the 74 million trump Nazis continue to oppose all anti-fascist groups, pro-Democracy organizations and individuals, or anyone else advocating for equality.

The 74 million trump Nazis have elevated their wannabe führer to cult hero status for his many forms of hate-speech and his complimentary language towards neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and other fascist groups. His despicable oratory during the five years of his first presidential campaign and failed presidency, regularly brought thundering applause from the 74 million trump Nazis, while at the same time, these 74 million traitors maintained their delusion of being staunch defenders of the United States Constitution.

For the vast majority of these 74 million trump Nazis, flying the American Flag right beside the Nazis' swastika is called "patriotism".


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Any one personally know anyone in ANTIFA? Been to a meeting, anything constructive in that regard, or is this an invisible bogy man?
I know a few guys who support them and defend them when the topic comes up. They may or may not have marched with them, I don't know.

Each one gets a definition quiz, and none are even close.....
 

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Why Would Any American Support Fascism In Our Midst?

One of the most trusted dictionaries, Merriam-Webster, defines fascism as: 1. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” 2. “a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”

By those definitions, fascism goes against every principle on which this nation was founded.

Antifa stands for anti-fascism, and the name comes from early 1930s Germany, where socialist "anti-fa" groups attempted to stand up to the rise of Adolf Hitler's Nazis.

It was loosely organized groups like these in Germany that helped crews from allied aircraft shot down over Germany and Nazi occupied countries return to England or home to the U.S.

During WWII, the United States military combined with the United States Merchant Marine was the largest group in the “antifa” organization, fighting fascism in Europe, the Pacific, and other parts of the globe during that time in history. And while it might have escaped the memories of the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics, many members of these services died fighting fascism.

Hopefully, our military personnel remain loyal to their oath to protecting the United States Constitution, as it was written and interpreted as of January 1, 2020. And will continue to fight fascism as their fathers, grandfathers, and great grandfathers have in the past. Remember, enemies both foreign and domestic.

Since WWII Antifa tactics in the U.S. mostly involved publicly outing right-wing extremists and organizing counter-protests. However, since the impeached president trump's election in 2016, he has regularly encouraged, and defended, violence from neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups.

Antifa has engaged in direct confrontations with these neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups, and some of these confrontations have led to destructive civil disobedience. But the primary goal of antifa is to block neo-Nazis and white supremacists from gaining public support, support which has, sadly, increased during the impeached president trump's short time in the Whitest House. Antifa makes little effort to recruit or promote a specific antifa agenda. The growing hatred among conservatives for antifa’s anti-racist, anti-sexist and anti-homophobia ideals is worsened by the group’s opposition to the predatory capitalism practiced here in the U.S., due to the fact the lower 99% receive an ever-dwindling financial benefit and have lost all political influence to the billionaire class.

How long will the majority of the American people continue to sit idly by while the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics (which includes William Barr, etc.) turn this country into a fascist dictatorship? Waiting to take action until November 2020 could very well be too late, given the crises of the COVID-19 pandemic and the right-wingers’ perceived danger of ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. All of the congressional Republicans and way, way too many congressional Democrats are helping the impeached president trump reach this goal. And before dismissing this as a needless worry, because the United States Constitution precludes our government from establishing permanent dictatorial rule, remember the Patriot Act. That small, reinterpretation of the constitution allows U.S. citizens facing only accusations of terrorism to be jailed indefinitely, held in secret, and bans all outside contact, including that to a legal representative. So, don’t rely on playing the “constitution card” to win against all the momentum the impeached president trump has behind him in becoming the United States’ first dictator. In addition to the congressional Republicans, he has the conservatives in the USSC in his hip pocket.

The impeached president trump has blamed the current protest violence in the United States on Antifa, and both Whitest House National Security Adviser Robert O'Brien and Attorney General Bill Barr have also singled out Antifa "radical militants" for stoking the rioting. So, to take the heat off white supremacist organizations that are actually causing the looting and riots, the impeached president trump plans for our government to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization.

Tricky Dick Nixon employed a similar strategy when public pressure to end the Vietnam war threatened his reelection. Stoking violence at protests did, for a short time, reinforced his image as the “Law and Order” president. But, the ‘Watergate’ scandal brought his claims to law and order crashing down. As it turns out, the protesters were right, just as the peaceful protests are now. Also, there is no reason for Antifa to commit violence, as the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics claim, against the very people and principles for which their movement advocates.

It is far more credible to the reality of the here and now for the fascist groups the impeached president trump and his devoted fanatics have taken into their hearts to be the driving force behind the violence occurring at peaceful ‘Black Lives Matter’ demonstrations. For their hatred to flourish, neo-Nazis and other white supremacist fascist groups must invalidate these protests’ legitimacy.

What is antifa and what does the movement want?




.



ANTIFA are amazingly stupid people who parrot and spin with no regard to the truth of the practice of fascism. There is one historical data point of fascism, hitler's nazi party. That party supported the following....

Gun control/confiscation
Socialism
Demanding "papers" to move about freely
Hate hoaxes - false flag attacks
Election fraud
State sponsored abortion
State sponsored racial preferences
Restriction of free speech


There is no sane human being in the US today who can support the democrats and claim to be "anti fascist."

The ANTIFA are exactly what they claim to oppose...
First, Nazi's aren't fascists in the true sense of the word. Mussolini coined the term 'fascist'.

The Nazi's were beyond fascism.

The Nazi's were not socialist. Hitler had no economic policy - he did whatever he wanted at the time. Some of which was capitalist, some was socialist.

We in the United States have for a long time been required to have identification or we can be taken to a police facility until we are identified. So, we're really not different in that respect.

Oops...lunch time....
Very few Americans know the term "fascist" can be credited to Mussolini.

The trump Nazis throw words like "socialism", "socialist", "communist", "communism", "fascist", "traitor", "Marxist", and a host of other criticisms aimed at anyone who opposes their agenda of white supremacy. It's an agenda promoted by the GOP, FOX Noise, and every other right-wing extremist propaganda source. But, none of them know the true meaning of their favored insults for those they've deemed the "enemies of America", The Republican Party's political strategists spent the last six decades planting select and erroneous images in the trump Nazis' stupid heads.

In addition to the treasonous congressional Republicans that have gotten behind the grifter trump, and in doing so, have abandoned our democratic principles, the 74 million trump Nazis are electing more of these traitors-to-democracy. The goal of the GOP is to cheat tens-of-millions of Americans of their right to vote, as the Grand Old Party and the 74 million trump Nazis continue to oppose all anti-fascist groups, pro-Democracy organizations and individuals, or anyone else advocating for equality.

The 74 million trump Nazis have elevated their wannabe führer to cult hero status for his many forms of hate-speech and his complimentary language towards neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and other fascist groups. His despicable oratory during the five years of his first presidential campaign and failed presidency, regularly brought thundering applause from the 74 million trump Nazis, while at the same time, these 74 million traitors maintained their delusion of being staunch defenders of the United States Constitution.

For the vast majority of these 74 million trump Nazis, flying the American Flag right beside the Nazis' swastika is called "patriotism".


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ANTIFA is a dem front fraud and its purpose is to twist the definition of fascism to enable morons with IQ under 5 to call republicans fascist....
 

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