Zone1 Why Is There Such Little Faith In Jesus Today?

[ChristisKing]

When I say Jesus, I mean the REAL Jesus. Not the Jesus that people look through rose colored glasses saying that Jesus loves everybody therefore He accepts you exactly as you are and you don't have to repent if you're gay and can continue living in your lifestyle. Whereas I lost track how many times that in the Bible that Jesus warned people they're going to be thrown into the lake of fire if they don't repent.

 

[Mr Natural]

Nobody’s stopping you from having all the faith you want.

 

[Moonglow]

When I say Jesus, I mean the REAL Jesus. Not the Jesus that people look through rose colored glasses saying that Jesus loves everybody therefore He accepts you exactly as you are and you don't have to repent if you're gay and can continue living in your lifestyle. Whereas I lost track how many times that in the Bible that Jesus warned people they're going to be thrown into the lake of fire if they don't repent.

Yes, Jesus offers an unconditional, boundless love that embraces all people, meeting them right where they are. This concept beautifully reflects the core message of grace, emphasizing that no one is beyond the reach of His love. [1, 2]
While there is universal agreement on His unconditional love, within Christian theology, there are varied perspectives on how "acceptance" interacts with personal growth: [1, 2, 3]

• Unconditional Grace: Many believers emphasize that God's love is not based on performance. He welcomes the broken, the outcast, and the sinner without requiring them to "clean up" first. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• A Call to Transformation: Many theologians and communities assert that while God loves you as you are, His love is so transformative that He does not want to leave you as you are. This view holds that divine love naturally inspires inward growth, sanctification, and a desire to align with His teachings. [1, 2]
• Acceptance vs. Approval: Many faith leaders draw a line between accepting a person's inherent worth and approving of every action. This mirrors the biblical example of Jesus, who showed deep grace and dignity to people while also guiding them away from destructive patterns. [1, 2]

 

[ChristisKing]

Yes, Jesus offers an unconditional, boundless love that embraces all people, meeting them right where they are. This concept beautifully reflects the core message of grace, emphasizing that no one is beyond the reach of His love. [1, 2]
While there is universal agreement on His unconditional love, within Christian theology, there are varied perspectives on how "acceptance" interacts with personal growth: [1, 2, 3]

• Unconditional Grace: Many believers emphasize that God's love is not based on performance. He welcomes the broken, the outcast, and the sinner without requiring them to "clean up" first. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
• A Call to Transformation: Many theologians and communities assert that while God loves you as you are, His love is so transformative that He does not want to leave you as you are. This view holds that divine love naturally inspires inward growth, sanctification, and a desire to align with His teachings. [1, 2]
• Acceptance vs. Approval: Many faith leaders draw a line between accepting a person's inherent worth and approving of every action. This mirrors the biblical example of Jesus, who showed deep grace and dignity to people while also guiding them away from destructive patterns. [1, 2]

Yep, you follow the watered down version of Jesus. Jesus is love for sure, but He also holds people accountable for their sins if they don't repent. There's that R word again.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

When I read the red letters, I don't see Jesus saying anything about gay people.

Saul, who persecuted the followers of Jesus, had some strong opinions, though.

 

[ChristisKing]

When I read the red letters, I don't see Jesus saying anything about gay people.

The sexually immoral counts.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The sexually immoral counts.

If you can quote Jesus saying that being gay is immoral, I promise to read it.

 

[ChristisKing]

If you can quote Jesus saying that being gay is immoral, I promise to read it.

Well Jesus isn't saying it but Leviticus 18:22 mentions it.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Well Jesus isn't saying it but Leviticus 18:22 mentions it

So, you AREN'T putting your faith in Jesus, but in the Old Testament, then.

I figure that since Jesus established a New Testament, He would know what was really important and what was not. He talks about SO many things, that it strikes me as a bit odd to focus on that which he never mentioned, instead.

 

[BreezeWood]

When I say Jesus, I mean the REAL Jesus. Not the Jesus that people look through rose colored glasses saying that Jesus loves everybody therefore He accepts you exactly as you are and you don't have to repent if you're gay and can continue living in your lifestyle. Whereas I lost track how many times that in the Bible that Jesus warned people they're going to be thrown into the lake of fire if they don't repent.

the real jesus, liberation theology, self determination is the quality most people keep alive ...

rather than the false 4th century christian bible of servitude and denial written with forgeries lies and fallacies on nearly every page and its incorporated judaism false commandments, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid et al the 1st century events and jesus repudiated to bring an end to religious tyrannies.

 

[ChristisKing]

So, you AREN'T putting your faith in Jesus, but in the Old Testament, then.

I figure that since Jesus established a New Testament, He would know what was really important and what was not. He talks about SO many things, that it strikes me as a bit odd to focus on that which he never mentioned, instead.

Revelation 21:18.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Revelation 21:18.

Are you somehow under the impression that Jesus wrote the book of Revelation?

 

[ChristisKing]

Are you somehow under the impression that Jesus wrote the book of Revelation?

John 10:30.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

John 10:30.

O.k.

So, where are His admonitions against homosexuality?

Do you think He somehow DOESNT know what is important and what is not?

For a thread imploring people place their faith in Jesus, you are doing anything but.

 

[dudmuck]

John 10:30.

that verse is about the trinity, not revelation.

 

[ChristisKing]

that verse is about the trinity, not revelation.

Yeah it's about Jesus and the Father both being one and both being God. I was just about to explain that before you posted this.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yeah it's about Jesus and the Father both being one and both being God. I was just about to explain that before you posted this.

Yes.

And you still have not placed your faith in Him to the point where you trust that he would be talking about something A LOT if it were as important as you make it instead of not even mentioning it once.

 

[Quantrill]

Are you somehow under the impression that Jesus wrote the book of Revelation?

Are you under the impression that Jesus wrote the red letters in the Bible?

(Rev. 1:8) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending..." (Rev. 21:6-8) "And he said unto me, It is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end....But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers....shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

(Lev. 18:22) "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Yes.

And you still have not placed your faith in Him to the point where you trust that he would be talking about something A LOT if it were as important as you make it instead of not even mentioning it once.

How many times does God have to say something so that you claim to believe it? Do you believe what is said a lot in the Bible?

Quantrill

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Are you under the impression that Jesus wrote the red letters in the Bible?

(Rev. 1:8) "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending..." (Rev. 21:6-8) "And he said unto me, It is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end....But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murders, and whoremongers....shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

(Lev. 18:22) "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Quantrill

The red letters represent His words as quoted.