Zone1 Why Is There Such Little Faith In Jesus Today?

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The red letters represent His words as quoted.

Who is speaking in (Rev. 21:6-8)? See again post #(18).

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[Moonglow]

When I say Jesus, I mean the REAL Jesus. Not the Jesus that people look through rose colored glasses saying that Jesus loves everybody therefore He accepts you exactly as you are and you don't have to repent if you're gay and can continue living in your lifestyle. Whereas I lost track how many times that in the Bible that Jesus warned people they're going to be thrown into the lake of fire if they don't repent.

Forgiving "70 times 7" is a biblical principle meaning that forgiveness must be infinite, limitless, and unconditional. The phrase originates from the Gospel of Matthew 18:21-22 in the Christian New Testament. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[JustAnotherNut]

I have to agree with everyone else. God and Jesus does love everyone right where they are. That UNCONDITIONAL love is what inspires us to transform to His way of thinking & doing.

Somewhere in the Bible, it does say that 'He found me while I was still in my sin' or 'He brought me out of my sin'......or something to that effect. And in my own experience that is exactly what happened. I was living a life of sin and was constantly being met with God, Faith or whatever like happenings. Then it became my choice of accepting Him and giving up that sinful life......or not. I chose Him.


Also remember, no one sin is greater than any other because all sin is against Gods will. So homosexuality is just as much a sin as murder, or blasphemy or not honoring your parents or any other sin.

 

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So, you AREN'T putting your faith in Jesus, but in the Old Testament, then.

I figure that since Jesus established a New Testament, He would know what was really important and what was not. He talks about SO many things, that it strikes me as a bit odd to focus on that which he never mentioned, instead.

The Old Testament is all about Jesus. (Luke 24:7) (Luke 24:44)

Do you think Jesus thought that was important?

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When I read the red letters, I don't see Jesus saying anything about gay people.

Saul, who persecuted the followers of Jesus, had some strong opinions, though.

Saul got his message from Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Do you believe that?

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[Dogmaphobe]

Saul got his message from Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11-12) "But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Do you believe that?

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Saul never met Jesus when Jesus was alive.

He is Jesus' usurper.

 

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Because Marxists put all their faith in the state. All the communist countries promoted that.

They have this idea that man is immoral until he works for the government. And then, that government employee’s heart turns to gold!

 

[ChristisKing]

Forgiving "70 times 7" is a biblical principle meaning that forgiveness must be infinite, limitless, and unconditional. The phrase originates from the Gospel of Matthew 18:21-22 in the Christian New Testament. [1, 2, 3, 4]

I have to agree with everyone else. God and Jesus does love everyone right where they are. That UNCONDITIONAL love is what inspires us to transform to His way of thinking & doing.

Somewhere in the Bible, it does say that 'He found me while I was still in my sin' or 'He brought me out of my sin'......or something to that effect. And in my own experience that is exactly what happened. I was living a life of sin and was constantly being met with God, Faith or whatever like happenings. Then it became my choice of accepting Him and giving up that sinful life......or not. I chose Him.


Also remember, no one sin is greater than any other because all sin is against Gods will. So homosexuality is just as much a sin as murder, or blasphemy or not honoring your parents or any other sin.

Yeah but nobody is arguing all of that. People still need to repent from their sins and stop living a sinful lifestyle. Otherwise, you aren't really saved. That's my point.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Yeah but nobody is arguing all of that. People still need to repent from their sins and stop living a sinful lifestyle. Otherwise, you aren't really saved. That's my point.

It doesn't usually happen overnight either. It takes time and only God knows what's going on inside.

Think of the story of the seed scattered on the ground........some didn't grow at all, some took root and grew only to be choked out by the weeds, and others grew to harvest.


While we are called to follow Him and obey His commands, we are also told not to judge others who still live in sin because we too are sinners.......even as believers we continue to sin. Nobody on this earth is perfect and is why we need Jesus as our intercessor.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The Old Testament is all about Jesus. (Luke 24:7) (Luke 24:44)

Do you think Jesus thought that was important?

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Matthew 7:15

 

[JustAnotherNut]

When I say Jesus, I mean the REAL Jesus. Not the Jesus that people look through rose colored glasses saying that Jesus loves everybody therefore He accepts you exactly as you are and you don't have to repent if you're gay and can continue living in your lifestyle. Whereas I lost track how many times that in the Bible that Jesus warned people they're going to be thrown into the lake of fire if they don't repent.

In answer to the question in the title of this thread.........in 'the Last Days' believers do fall away from His teachings

 

[ChristisKing]

It doesn't usually happen overnight either. It takes time and only God knows what's going on inside.

Think of the story of the seed scattered on the ground........some didn't grow at all, some took root and grew only to be choked out by the weeds, and others grew to harvest.


While we are called to follow Him and obey His commands, we are also told not to judge others who still live in sin because we too are sinners.......even as believers we continue to sin. Nobody on this earth is perfect and is why we need Jesus as our intercessor.

I had to charge my phone so I couldn't respond right away and I agree, but they still need to be told to repent due to the fact that they're living in sin. They have to have both sides of the message but spoken in love and not fear mongering.

 

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How many times does God have to say something so that you claim to believe it? Do you believe what is said a lot in the Bible?

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Simple questions. Please answer.

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Matthew 7:15

(Matt. 7:15) doesn't refute (Luke 24:27) or (Luke 24:44). Try again.

Did Jesus think the Old Testament was important?

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Saul never met Jesus when Jesus was alive.

He is Jesus' usurper.

That's not what (Gal. 1:11-12) says. What now?

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Dogmaphobe

Again, Who is speaking in (Rev. 21;6-8)? See again post #(18).

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[Dogmaphobe]

That's not what (Gal. 1:11-12) says. What now?

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All this through Sauls claims, only.

He was a Pharisee who persecuted Jesus' followers and saw an opportunity to co-opt the entire movement. Once again, read Matthew 7:15

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Paul stressed faith over works.

Jesus did not.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

I had to charge my phone so I couldn't respond right away and I agree, but they still need to be told to repent due to the fact that they're living in sin. They have to have both sides of the message but spoken in love and not fear mongering.

Most people by the time they are adults already know right from wrong without having to be told. Those living a sinful life know it is, but lack the understanding of it's impact....on Him, themselves and those around them. When God chooses to intervene and open their understanding is when people are then transformed and choose His ways, even if only for a time.

IDK about you but when someone tries to tell me what to do or that I'm doing it wrong......I don't want to here it. Kinda like with an addict, you can tell them they need to quit all you want, but only when they've had enough will they seek treatment.

 

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All this through Sauls claims, only.

He was a Pharisee who persecuted Jesus' followers and saw an opportunity to co-opt the entire movement. Once again, read Matthew 7:15

So? It's the testimony of the Bible. The Word of God. Just because you don't believe it means nothing.

I don't know what you think (Matt. 7:15) is saying, but it doesn't prove anything you keep using it for. "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are raving wolves."

Jesus was crucified for 'blasphemy' against God. And he spoke your 'red letters'. My oh my. What now? The accusation means nothing unless you can prove it by the Word of God.

Your claim that Paul never met Jesus when he was alive is a lie.

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Paul stressed faith over works.

Jesus did not.

Gee, nice statement. Sounds so authoritative.

Yet nothing to prove it. So, prove it.

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