Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[hobelim]

Jesus never taught that the words in the Law were figurative and that the subjects hidden and not literal

Yes he did.

" The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

By saying eat my flesh he was referring directly to kosher law where the flesh of one creature or another, whether clean or unclean, are all human archetypes, their flesh represents the teaching of people like you who crawl on their belly, and swine that do not RUMINATE.

When Jesus said "its not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, its what comes out of it" he is clearly showing that the subject of kosher law is about teaching not food.

All this without mentioning Jesus himself openly saying he was using figures of speech.

"Till now I have been using figures of speech." John 16:29

I am afraid that with your own words YOU have been exposed as an actor and lying fraud. Just not a very good one.

Deal with it. It can't be undone.

Putz.

 

[Quantrill]

Yes he did.

" The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it BURIED IT AGAIN."

By saying eat my flesh he was referring directly to kosher law where the flesh of one creature or another, whether clean or unclean, are all human archetypes, their flesh represents the teaching of people like you who crawl on their belly, and swine that do not RUMINATE.

When Jesus said "its not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man, its what comes out of it" he is clearly showing that the subject of kosher law is about teaching not food.

All this without mentioning Jesus himself openly saying he was using figures of speech.

"Till now I have been using figures of speech." John 16:29

I am afraid that with your own words YOU have been exposed as an actor and lying fraud. Just not a very good one.

Deal with it. It can't be undone.

Putz.

More lies and ignorance. The parables are not the words of the Law. The parables you present are the words of Christ after His rejection by Israel.

How could Jesus be referring to the law when He said eat my flesh and drink my blood, when that was forbidden?

Sorry, your use of (John 16:29) is another lie. Jesus didn't say that. His disciples said that. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb."

You have been shown to be a liar. Deal with it. You and your god, whoever he is, is a phony.

I wrote and asked many questions in post #(1040). Yet you only respond to one sentence. What a piece of shit you are. My opinion.

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[hobelim]

How could Jesus be referring to the law when He said eat my flesh and drink my blood,

How? the subject of kosher law is about flesh which represents teaching. So unless you eat his flesh, accept the revelation from my God about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subject of the Law that became his flesh, teaching given for the life of the world, life being the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands, and drink his blood meaning do it in the same way that Jesus followed the Law. Life is in the blood, in the doing.

when that was forbidden?

"Keeping company" with prostitutes was also forbidden. So was eating and drinking and partying like it was 1969 with sinners prostitute and all sorts of "bad characters" was also forbidden. So what. The law is not about diet fashion or sex and never was.. Only the perverse like you think it is and by thinking so you have constructed your own prison.

You have allowed Satan to enter your mind to perpetuate lies, the same ignorant perverse interpretation of the Law that Jesus lived and died opposing.

What a guy!

 

[hobelim]

Sorry, your use of (John 16:29) is another lie. Jesus didn't say that. His disciples said that. "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

Sorry. The quote is from John 16:25 where Jesus said, "Till now I have been using figures of speech."

And even John 16:29 confirms that Jesus spoketh figuratively before all that nutty talk about bread from heaven that became his flesh, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead, eat my flesh, etc., etc.

"I piss on your god. I shit on your god.

Pft. You only pisseth and shitteth on yourself.

I have spoken.

 

[Quantrill]

How? the subject of kosher law is about flesh which represents teaching. So unless you eat his flesh, accept the revelation from my God about the figurative nature of the words and hidden subject of the Law that became his flesh, teaching given for the life of the world, life being the promise for fulfilling the Laws demands, and drink his blood meaning do it in the same way that Jesus followed the Law. Life is in the blood, in the doing.



"Keeping company" with prostitutes was also forbidden. So was eating and drinking and partying like it was 1969 with sinners prostitute and all sorts of "bad characters" was also forbidden. So what. The law is not about diet fashion or sex and never was.. Only the perverse like you think it is and by thinking so you have constructed your own prison.

You have allowed Satan to enter your mind to perpetuate lies, the same ignorant perverse interpretation of the Law that Jesus lived and died opposing.

What a guy!

Only the flesh of the sacrifice was allowed to be eaten. (Lev. 7:5-8) Not the blood. (Lev. 17:11-12)

So, again, how could Jesus be referring to the law when he said eat my flesh and drink by blood, when that was forbidden?

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[hobelim]

Only the flesh of the sacrifice was allowed to be eaten.

Jesus was not a sacrifice.

YOU have been carefully chosen and prepared as a sacrifice for the expiation of sin. Your slaughter has been dedicated to the Lord, my God. The fat trimmed from the flesh stripped from the bone and thrown on the fire is a soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord my God. Your blood has already been swallowed up by the ground.

Don't take it too hard.

You don't seem to mind your beloved antichrist being sacrificed for you. Pft. Whats good for the goose!

 

[Quantrill]

Sorry. The quote is from John 16:25 where Jesus said, "Till now I have been using figures of speech."

And even John 16:29 confirms that Jesus spoketh figuratively before all that nutty talk about bread from heaven that became his flesh, giving sight to the blind, raising the dead, eat my flesh, etc., etc.



Pft. You only pisseth and shitteth on yourself.

I have spoken.

Proverbs are not parables or figures of speech.

The disciples didn't always understand what Jesus said when He spoke plainly.

No, I piss and shit on your god who is no god. And you are no follower of God and Christ.

You have spoken...big shit. Who cares?

You're a phony.

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[hobelim]

Proverbs are not parables or figures of speech.

You need to invest some of the cash you rob from the dead and buy a decent translation ghoul.

Get The New English Bible Oxford study edition. I doubt it will help, so if that doesn't work and you want to know the truth take a shit, slap yourself in the face, say three our fodders, and then solemnly chant ten times out loud:

OWA TANA SIAM

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus was not a sacrifice.

YOU have been carefully chosen and prepared as a sacrifice for the expiation of sin. Your slaughter has been dedicated to the Lord, my God. The fat trimmed from the flesh stripped from the bone and thrown on the fire is a soothing and fragrant offering to the Lord my God. Your blood has already been swallowed up by the ground.

Don't take it too hard.

You don't seem to mind your beloved antichrist being sacrificed for you. Pft. Whats good for the goose!

What a liar you are. (John 1:29) "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

(Rev. 13:8) "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Scripture declares you are a liar. Scripture declares you are a phony and your god is a phony.

Jesus was the Supreme and Only Sacrifice for man.

I don't mind showing you are full of shit, and your make believe god is full of shit.

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[Quantrill]

You need to invest some of the cash you rob from the dead and buy a decent translation ghoul.

Get The New English Bible Oxford study edition. I doubt it will help, so if that doesn't work and you want to know the truth take a shit, slap yourself in the face, say three our fodders, and then solemnly chant ten times out loud:

OWA TANA SIAM

You need to invest in some 'preparation H' for all that talk out your ass.

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[hobelim]

Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world."

Jesus was not born to be "a perfect human sacrifice" to himself. Thats absurd. No one murdered Jesus or took away his life. Jesus could have easily disappeared and enjoyed life in obscurity. He laid down his life of his own free will trying to help Jews understand very simple things such as kosher law was never about what's for dinner.

Jesus took way the sin of the world for all those who accept his teaching, "eat his flesh", that the words used in the law are figurative, the subjects HIDDEN and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, and comply with the law in that light "drink his blood" which fulfills the promise of God for abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth for all who do it. LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD, in the doing.

Thats why Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh AND drink my blood, you can have no life in you." Like you.

Who pisseth and shitteth on my God.

of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Jesus also said that he was present at "the creation of heaven and earth" which is a story about the Law being spoken into existence, but Jesus wasn't there. Moses was. What can be surmised by this is that "the Christ" has been appearing on earth for thousands of years born into a family and given a new name with every incarnation.

"To him who is victorious I will give some of the HIDDEN MANNA; I will give him also a white stone, and on that stone will be written A NEW NAME, known to none but him that receives it." Rev 2:17

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus was not born to be "a perfect human sacrifice" to himself. Thats absurd. No one murdered Jesus or took away his life. Jesus could have easily disappeared and enjoyed life in obscurity. He laid down his life of his own free will trying to help Jews understand very simple things such as kosher law was never about what's for dinner.

Jesus took way the sin of the world for all those who accept his teaching, "eat his flesh", that the words used in the law are figurative, the subjects HIDDEN and not necessarily directly connected to the literal meaning of the words used, and comply with the law in that light "drink his blood" which fulfills the promise of God for abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth for all who do it. LIFE IS IN THE BLOOD, in the doing.

Thats why Jesus said, "Unless you eat my flesh AND drink my blood, you can have no life in you." Like you.

Who pisseth and shitteth on my God.


Jesus also said that he was present at "the creation of heaven and earth" which is a story about the Law being spoken into existence, but Jesus wasn't there. Moses was. What can be surmised by this is that "the Christ" has been appearing on earth for thousands of years born into a family and given a new name with every incarnation.

"To him who is victorious I will give some of the HIDDEN MANNA; I will give him also a white stone, and on that stone will be written A NEW NAME, known to none but him that receives it." Rev 2:17

Well, Scripture says otherwise as I just showed you. And since you're a liar, I will believe the Scripture. "Slain from the foundation of the world". (Rev. 13:8)

The salvation of Christ does not result in those who 'accept his teaching'. It is the result of those who accept His Person...Who He is. (Matt. 16:13-17). "Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God"

Those verses you quote...are they the word of God? Is the Bible the Word of God? You're a phony, and full of shit. Yes, I piss and shit on your god as he is no god. You don't know his name. You don't declare his writings. You don't tell others where to learn of him. You're full of shit. Your god is you who is trying to use the Bible yet you don't believe the Bible.

Preparation H is your lip balm, cause you're always talking out your ass.

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[ninja007]

1 John 5:13 KJV - These things have I written unto you​

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These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

If anyone wants me to believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect entity, that created the entire universe and all in it and who we just happen to look like, and happens to be invisible, the following will have to happen:
He/She/It, must appear before ALL humans in the world in the air (not television) at the same time, speak to all of them in all their native tongues at the same time and claim which of the 4200 religions he/she/it wants us to follow.
Then and only then will I believe in a deity and follow its demand.

 

[Meriweather]

If anyone wants me to believe in an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect entity, that created the entire universe and all in it and who we just happen to look like, and happens to be invisible, the following will have to happen:
He/She/It, must appear before ALL humans in the world in the air (not television) at the same time, speak to all of them in all their native tongues at the same time and claim which of the 4200 religions he/she/it wants us to follow.
Then and only then will I believe in a deity and follow its demand.

You want to test God...which, according to the Commandments, won't work. The Bible also notes that should someone rise from the dead, not all will believe that/him, either. Some seem programmed to doubt, no matter how amazing the circumstances might be.

 

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the desert religions are as political as they are false beliefs and have not been historical any more than mythologies having the same characteristics ...

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there have always been diehard fundamentalists - atheists, it's just not attractive enough or a medium of worship to be as prevalent as religions, especially among those so easily captivated in illicit pursuits known as desert dwellers.

The evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ says otherwise.

 

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How do I prove a negative?

I feel my life is enriched through marriage, children, friends and my favorite dog

Let's use murder as an analogy. You can prove it wasn't possible for you to commit the murder or you can prove someone else committed the murder.

How has your atheism enriched your life? I don't believe it has.

 

[Hafar1014]

What embarrassing nonsense.

Did your brain make that intentionally?

If Santa Clause didnt exist you couldnt mention him. You did which proves he does exist. He is a fictional character. Context is everything. Like most atheists you need a simple easy to understand reality. Dumbed down, concrete limited small narrow.

 

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Why do posters on this thread believe religious events that occurred thousands of years ago yet mock more recent religious events like Mormons and Scientology even though they occurred within a couple hundred years?

Evidence. Specifically the evidence for the resurrection of Christ. That and the indirect evidence for God. Specifically what he has created.

 

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Dust from a Deity's Disintegration

If God existed at the Creation, then it wasn't from nothing. It was from God Himself breaking up into matter and energy.

You're also assuming that substances had a beginning. It's more likely that they were eternal and came in from another universe. If you can believe that God is eternal, with no beginning, then you have to accept the idea that everything else could have been eternal and not need a Creator.

I think it's more like God willed the universe into existence rather than than God breaking himself up into matter/energy. FWIW matter is energy (e=mc^2).

Mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life, has existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of physical reality - that the stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind-stuff. It is the constant presence of Mind that has composed a physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create.

I'm not assuming the universe wasn't created from pre-existing matter/energy. That's what the science shows.

God isn't a "thing." "Things" must have a beginning. No such limitation applies to the incorporeal.