Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[ding]

That's your misinterpretation of what free will is. Free will is not without temptation. Do you actually know what temptation is? Temptation is just one kind of manipulation. Free will is a decision making process which can be subject to external influence. That's almost common sense. Adam as tempted to eat the fruit under manipulation by no means says that the decision is not from Adam's own free will.

The opposite force is also true, Christians can be guided by the Holy Spirit in the decsion making process. It by no means says the presence of the guidance of the Holy Spirit stopped the function of free will.

Romans 1:19-20
By your understanding, it means our science can explore outside of our own space? Apparently it remains your misunderstanding. The Scripture is not broken, your understanding will.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.


Faith is sometimes the exlusive way for humans to reach a truth, even when it is clearly presented. That's what is said. It's never about how science can discover the invisible as you are trying to advocate!

This is actually rather common among humans. In 2024 (not 2020) it's clearly presented that Trump won the votes. Do you have the scientific evidence as an individual? You don't. You have zero evidence about the votes of any US presidents in history! You faith leads to the presentation of truth which is clearly presented to you! That's how reality works.

Other than faith, there's nothing humans (the majority) can rely on to reach a truth such as the voting result of the election! Get a clue! Now you (I mean any single human embracing that mentality) are the proof that you (your mind) is under manipulation for you to fallaciously conclude that "you have the evidence of the votes of any US presisdent". You have the free will to keep that (fallacious) decision though! That's how your free will works! Again, get a clue (on the difference between a manipulation and free will)!

You clearly know (or can know) who the presidents are in US history, it's not by science nor evidence but by faith! How many votes did George Washington get? To this question, your science is a joke! Only your faith together with a piece of human testimony (writing/recording) shall possibly work! (unfold yourself from the manipulation to correctly perceive what truth could mean). The god of this world has clearly blinded the minds of men like you!

I never said free will was without temptation. Your argument was that we are being manipulated. Maybe you used the wrong word. Or maybe you meant that they TRY to manipulate us. At any point in our lives we are the sum of our choices despite what any other agency (angels, demons, Holy Spirit, government, individuals, etc.) may try to do.

And I never said science can explore anything outside of our space and time. Science can be used to explore the indirect evidence for a creator. Beyond that is the sphere of philosophy and logic.

 

[ding]

Don’t get your point

How does not believing something enrich your life?
Your life goes on without it …..fully enriched

Exactly. Your ATHEISM (i.e. non-belief in a providential and moralistic God) does not enrich your life.

My belief in a providential and moralistic God does enrich my life.

Ergo, atheism does not offer a functional advantage while faith does.

 

[ding]

your science is a joke!

That's how I see you reading allegorical passages literally. God gave you a brain to use.

 

[ding]

Well, I noticed that every professed believer who worships Jesus as if he was a mangod, which is idolatry, (not to mention ridiculous) displays all of the signs of what the authors of scripture described as "the death" a curse.

Christ's own words and actions say otherwise.

 

[rightwinger]

Exactly. Your ATHEISM (i.e. non-belief in a providential and moralistic God) does not enrich your life.

My belief in a providential and moralistic God does enrich my life.

Ergo, atheism does not offer a functional advantage while faith does.

Believing in Santa Claus enriches your life

 

[BULLDOG]

Exactly. Your ATHEISM (i.e. non-belief in a providential and moralistic God) does not enrich your life.

My belief in a providential and moralistic God does enrich my life.

Ergo, atheism does not offer a functional advantage while faith does.

Making life decisions based on morals, logic, and reason is always better than basing them on some imaginary fable, especially when you consider that which fable you believe depends more on where you were born than anything else.

 

[ding]

I'll take it.

Gaining knowledge enriches my life. Not believing in something without sufficient reason, I find is the best path to do that. So, I don't believe in a religion.

That's no different for people of faith. How has your atheism created a functional advantage that is not available for people of faith? Because people of faith are capable of "gaining knowledge."

An example of what I am asking for would be my belief that God is pruning me which brings great peace and joy during challenges in my life. This is a functional advantage that atheists cannot match.

God isn't religion. So maybe stop equivocating.

 

[ding]

Believing in Santa Claus enriches your life

Apparently more so than atheism enriches yours. Does that make you feel better since atheism offers zero functional advantages?

 

[hobelim]

The salvation of Christ does not result in those who 'accept his teaching'.

You are wrong.

"Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ - and never do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and acts upon it - I will show you what he is like: he is like a man who in building his house, dug deep and laid the foundation on solid rock. And when the flood came, the river burst upon that house and could not shake it, because it had been soundly built. But the one who hears my words and does not act on them is like a man who built a house on the soil without a foundation. As soon as the river burst against it, the house collapsed, and fell with a great crash.".” Luke 6:46-49

You contradict the words of the Jesus you pretend to love so much you threw him under the bus to save yourself in your unrestrained imagination from the penalty for your own sins, the death you so perfectly display. Pssssst!

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!

It is the result of those who accept His Person...Who He is. (Matt. 16:13-17). "Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God"

The Son of the living God is just a relational metaphor for the prophet described in Deuteronomy 18:18, a Jewish man.

Yes, I piss and shit on your god as he is no god.

You seem upset. Was it something that I said?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[hobelim]

Christ's own words and actions say otherwise.

Wrong.

"Go and tell my brothers that I am ascending to my Father and your Father; My God and your God." John 20:17

By saying that his Father is their Father and his God is their God the real Jesus effectively eliminated any possibility that he either claimed to be or thought of himself as God. Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

You worship the Antichrist, a substitute counterfeit ascetic pusillanimous Jesus conjured from the depths a Roman hell, unleashed on the world in 325ce, created in the image and likeness of Mithras, the secret Babylonian MYSTERY RELIGION of the Roman government and military, a coequal triune edible mangod whose miracles of the lie that scripture is to be read literally doesn't correspond to any real living being ever in existence

 

[hobelim]

Genesis describes evolution. Christians are unable to understand that

Genesis describes the Law spoken into existence through Moses as "a light to the nations", around 3500 years ago, teaching all people of every nation, kingdom, people, language, and tribe, to separate light from darkness by differentiating clean from unclean, right from wrong, true from false, good from evil, life from death.

Christins seem to be unable to understand that.

 

[Hafar1014]

Genesis describes the Law spoken into existence through Moses as "a light to the nations", around 3500 years ago, teaching all people of every nation, kingdom, people, language, and tribe, to separate light from darkness by differentiating clean from unclean, right from wrong, true from false, good from evil, life from death.

Christins seem to be unable to understand that.

Genesis is an allegory Leviticus is civil law

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

If Santa Clause didnt exist you couldnt mention him.

What bizarre nonsense.

Just, freakish.

 

[hobelim]

Genesis is an allegory Leviticus is civil law

Still, its a violation of the Law to eat "the flesh" of creepy things that creep, like trump, a vile and loathsome creep, and all of his soulless sycophants that are like writhing maggots feasting on a decomposing corpse.



"And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.

Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, (a reference to the talking serpent) and whatsoever goeth upon all four, (a reference to people getting down on their hands and knees) or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, (a coven of creeps) them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby." Leviticus 11:41-43

 

[Hafar1014]

What bizarre nonsense.

Just, freakish.

The logic is 100% sound you just dont understand what context means.
You claimed SC doesnt exist yet mentioned him in your statement. Thats a contradiction.
Logic; If SC doesnt exist how can you know his name?
In any case what does SC have to do with the belief in God? Nothing

 

[Quantrill]

You are wrong.

"Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ - and never do what I tell you? Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and acts upon it - I will show you what he is like: he is like a man who in building his house, dug deep and laid the foundation on solid rock. And when the flood came, the river burst upon that house and could not shake it, because it had been soundly built. But the one who hears my words and does not act on them is like a man who built a house on the soil without a foundation. As soon as the river burst against it, the house collapsed, and fell with a great crash.".” Luke 6:46-49

You contradict the words of the Jesus you pretend to love so much you threw him under the bus to save yourself in your unrestrained imagination from the penalty for your own sins, the death you so perfectly display. Pssssst!

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY!


The Son of the living God is just a relational metaphor for the prophet described in Deuteronomy 18:18, a Jewish man.



You seem upset. Was it something that I said?

Thanks for sharing.

No, not so. I showed you verses showing Jesus is the One and only sacrifice. (John 1:28) (Rev. 13:8) Here is another. (John 12:27) "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour."

When one accepts Jesus Person and is saved, one can call Him Lord. One will not follow Jesus teachings and be saved if he does not recognize Who Jesus is. The verses you use in (Luke6;46-49) are those prior to Jesus rejection by Israel, and still pertain to the offer of the Kingdom, of which He is King. And even then, His Person must be accepted as the Messiah before anyone can call Him Lord. And if one recognizes Christ as Messiah, they recognize Him also as the God/Man.

No, you pervert the words of Jesus Christ and refuse to believe Who He is, the Son of God, the God/Man. (Matt. 16:13-17) Jesus verified it. "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."

No, that is no metaphor.

Of course it's something you said and say. You're a phony and your god is a phony. Keep applying that preparation H to those lips of yours as you talk out your ass.

You don't believe Jesus Christ, you use Jesus Christ and the Bible.

You're welcome. Always love to share.

Quantrill

 

[hobelim]

When one accepts Jesus Person and is saved,

Accepts Jesus person? Having trouble sleeping? It's a fact that lack of sleep causes decreased neural function.

Maybe you should take a nap.

The real Jesus, not some imaginary mangod, taught the only right way to understand and comply with the divine commands that fulfills the promise of abundant blessings and eternal life in the sanctuary of God on earth.

But only for those who accept his teaching, and act on it, which leaves you out, left behind in complete darkness.

You "believe" that a mangod took the rap for your sins, the stupid things you say and do, but guess what! You died in the very day you started blubbering on your knees to a trinity that diddled a Jewish virgin. The Antichrist.

You've been existing without life separate from God, my God, for decades. The stench of your corruption is great! You "believe" that you are "saved" by doing the very thing that God, my God, promises results in death? Brilliant!

What a crock of shit. Can't you smell that smell? No? Thats a shame! Listen up! ATTENTION! NOW HEAR THIS;

YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD ALREADY. Death, a curse you so perfectly display. Unaware.


How is it that you don't know the only right course to take, believer? pft.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The logic is 100% sound you just dont understand what context means.

You argue all fictional characters actually exist.

You have fun with that.

 

[ding]

Making life decisions based on morals, logic, and reason is always better than basing them on some imaginary fable, especially when you consider that which fable you believe depends more on where you were born than anything else.

God is logic, truth, love and every extant moral attribute of existence. So your belief that persons of faith base their life decisions on fables is misinformed. But even then your post still isn't making an argument for the functional advantage that atheism has over faith in God. Because there isn't one.

Your problem - and people like you - is that you have no reasonable perception of God. You can't find what you don't know you are looking for. So instead you look for things that confirm your bias no matter how hard you have to bastardize them to suit your feelings. You know like the universe didn't have a beginning or life doesn't begin at conception.

But since you want to bring up decisions, decisions are always better made from a state of happiness rather than negative, neutral or stressed. It's just science. Or do you want to argue against that science too? So tell me again how atheism has enriched your life? Because we both know it hasn't.

 

[rightwinger]

Apparently more so than atheism enriches yours. Does that make you feel better since atheism offers zero functional advantages?

Lot of functional advantages
Don’t waste your time and money on a fantasy religion