Why England Sucks

[MadChemist]

Well here is where I am going to show you compassion. These issues you discuss suck and it is disheartening. They fucking real. How ever not all of this is the governments fault. The real problem is the fucking internet and people being buried in their phones. They are immersed in virtual reality and arguing with each other all day just like you and I have been doing for the past hour or two over this thread. People can now have porn shoved in their face 24 hours a day for free. They can even find live murder to watch if they no their way around the digital world. Instead of being outside like we are biologically designed to do we sit on here and bitch at each other. We troll one another , we belittle each other along with all the other terrible things that can be witnesses on line. It is easy to sit and complain and feed our heads with debauchery all day when we should be out side with our fellow man accomplishing things and learning to Cooperate with each other like we use to. Yes the cost of housing is going up also making living more difficult. How ever there is hope. Population expansion is slowing. We are not building the Mcmansions at the rate we have in the past.The upside to the covid thing was many people rediscovered the out doors. Fishing license sales doubled in the past year. Instead of filled bars we had filled parks. Try and see the positives around you and spread them. Instead of worrying about big cars and big houses measure your wealth by the number and quality of your friends around you. Try and rediscovere strong family ties and let them know you love and appreciate them every day. Take the time to be with these people physically instead of online or on your phone. Rediscover nature and physical activity and we can right the ship. Spend less time worrying about Washington and more time worrying about the beautiful people sitting in the room with you.

Now you are talking some sense.

 

[MadChemist]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

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I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

Are you positive about that last statement ?

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

 

[MadChemist]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

 

[MadChemist]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why England Sucks, According to People from Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland

51 percent of voters in Northern Ireland, 50 percent of voters in Scotland and 31 percent of voters in Wales want out of the UK. Here's why.

www.vice.com

Looks like Brexit has uncovered other stuff.

Oh my.

This is the country that spawned the United States and has been slowly slipping into darkness for a century.

They are the ones who gave us Neville Chamberlain.

From the article:

In January, the Sunday Times reported a looming constitutional crisis for the UK: New polls revealed that 51 percent of voters in Northern Ireland, 50 percent of voters in Scotland and 31 percent of voters in Wales want a border poll in the next five years. Though the Sunday Times report is framed around the disintegration of “British” identity – with voters in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland all identifying more closely with their national identity as opposed to Britain – what the reports omit is how much this rejection of the union is to do with just how shit England is.

UK is a Muslim caliphate with shitty weather. What’s not to love?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

Congratulations on beating cancer.

 

[MadChemist]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

1. I am sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.
2. Sounds like you beat the odds.
3. I am not sue what you know about medicare....but it spends a lot of money on cases like yours. I know from watching it happen.
4. I hope you are well.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

Congratulations on beating cancer.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

1. I am sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.
2. Sounds like you beat the odds.
3. I am not sue what you know about medicare....but it spends a lot of money on cases like yours. I know from watching it happen.
4. I hope you are well.

Thanks for your concern.
I haven't beaten cancer and I am still terminally ill.
The cancer spread from my bowel to my liver without me even noticing. By the time I got treatment 80% of my liver was infected and a small border that appeared like a bacon rind could be seen on my scans on the outside of my liver was the only healthy tissue remaining. My liver had expanded by four centimeters and was pressing on my stomach wall making me want to continually throw up, The cancer had also appeared in two parts of my lung and to my left upper arm. The Chemo quickly began to shrink the cancer in my liver and within a few months completely cleared it from my bowel, lungs and arm. Now it has shrunk in my liver to the size of a walnut but it cant get rid of it.
It is now a question of how long my body can continue to take the very strong chemo before it starts to break down or when the side effects become too much for me to continue treatment. There is also a chance the remaining cancer might mutate.
Treatment takes five hours of toxic chemicals being pumped through my body.

Having said all that I wouldn't want anyone reading this to think I'm in any way down or depressed. I at least have had a good 65 years. It is the little kids who I feel sorry for especially the ones who are never going to have a life. It must be so hard on their poor parents.

My consultant tells me that NHS funding will continue as long as I can keep going.

Thanks again for your concern!

 

[MadChemist]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

Congratulations on beating cancer.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

1. I am sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.
2. Sounds like you beat the odds.
3. I am not sue what you know about medicare....but it spends a lot of money on cases like yours. I know from watching it happen.
4. I hope you are well.

Thanks for your concern.
I haven't beaten cancer and I am still terminally ill.
The cancer spread from my bowel to my liver without me even noticing. By the time I got treatment 80% of my liver was infected and a small border that appeared like a bacon rind could be seen on my scans on the outside of my liver was the only healthy tissue remaining. My liver had expanded by four centimeters and was pressing on my stomach wall making me want to continually throw up, The cancer had also appeared in two parts of my lung and to my left upper arm. The Chemo quickly began to shrink the cancer in my liver and within a few months completely cleared it from my bowel, lungs and arm. Now it has shrunk in my liver to the size of a walnut but it cant get rid of it.
It is now a question of how long my body can continue to take the very strong chemo before it starts to break down or when the side effects become too much for me to continue treatment. There is also a chance the remaining cancer might mutate.
Treatment takes five hours of toxic chemicals being pumped through my body.

Having said all that I wouldn't want anyone reading this to think I'm in any way down or depressed. I at least have had a good 65 years. It is the little kids who I feel sorry for especially the ones who are never going to have a life. It must be so hard on their poor parents.

My consultant tells me that NHS funding will continue as long as I can keep going.

Thanks again for your concern!

All the best !!!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

Congratulations on beating cancer.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Actually, if you look at the OP, it's not me.

I found it interesting that others in the U.K. say England sucks.

I was quoting it.

While I am not fond of England for a couple of reasons, I don't go with what I don't know.

What I do recall was that several years ago a woman wanted to pay for a research therapy for cancer. She could not get approval through whatever entity there was.....and she died.

Seemed pretty beauracratic to me.

Well as a matter of fact I have Terminal Cancer. I was diagnosed in Aug 2014 and told that even with treatment I had no more than 6 months to live.
Luckily for me, my body has responded far better and way beyond what my doctors thought possible. Last week I had my 122 treatments of Chemotherapy. Each treatment cost £ 6000 and that is without consultancy fees. That is £732,000 plus consultant costs paid for by the NHS. I can no longer work and trying to pay that plus living costs would not have been impossible. We are all treated in the same unit and receive the best treatment possible whether private or NHS. Had I been living in the US I would have ran out of money and died by now. The NHS not only saved my life as I was in a far worse state than I'm in now, but has kept me alive for seven years. So how bureaucratic does that sound?

1. I am sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.
2. Sounds like you beat the odds.
3. I am not sue what you know about medicare....but it spends a lot of money on cases like yours. I know from watching it happen.
4. I hope you are well.

Thanks for your concern.
I haven't beaten cancer and I am still terminally ill.
The cancer spread from my bowel to my liver without me even noticing. By the time I got treatment 80% of my liver was infected and a small border that appeared like a bacon rind could be seen on my scans on the outside of my liver was the only healthy tissue remaining. My liver had expanded by four centimeters and was pressing on my stomach wall making me want to continually throw up, The cancer had also appeared in two parts of my lung and to my left upper arm. The Chemo quickly began to shrink the cancer in my liver and within a few months completely cleared it from my bowel, lungs and arm. Now it has shrunk in my liver to the size of a walnut but it cant get rid of it.
It is now a question of how long my body can continue to take the very strong chemo before it starts to break down or when the side effects become too much for me to continue treatment. There is also a chance the remaining cancer might mutate.
Treatment takes five hours of toxic chemicals being pumped through my body.

Having said all that I wouldn't want anyone reading this to think I'm in any way down or depressed. I at least have had a good 65 years. It is the little kids who I feel sorry for especially the ones who are never going to have a life. It must be so hard on their poor parents.

My consultant tells me that NHS funding will continue as long as I can keep going.

Thanks again for your concern!

You are indeed a warrior. Keep up the good fight, good sir.

 

[WelfareQueen]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

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I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

You have no fucking idea what your talking about. I worked in an ER here in the States for years. Everyone by Law receives medical treatment that presents in an ER regardless of the ability to pay.

 

[AMart]

England went from being the largest global empire to it's own citizens having no real dream to carry on. Their globalist leaders import Muslim low IQ Pakis who rape British girls. London isn't even a British city anymore.

“By 2015 more British Muslims were fighting for Isis than for the British armed forces.”
― Douglas Murray, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam

 

[Tommy Tainant]

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

And my favorite: The vaunted and stupid NHS:

The Doctor Who Loves UK’s NHS Has No Idea What She’s Talking About

This viral blog post is the rhetorical equivalent of me saying I had a great trip to the doctor in America, therefore the United Kingdom’s NHS sucks.

thefederalist.com

From the article:

There are very real gaps in the care socialized medicine provides. Gunter and others like her fail to address, or possibly learn in the first place, what these are. An example near and dear to my heart is the lack of preventive care provided under many of these systems. In the United Kingdom, where I lived off and on for seven years, you don’t have “well visits.” You see a doctor only once a problem is apparent. This never really bothered me until I became a mother.

For the first seven months of my son’s life, I was essentially on my own in fostering his health. A lactation consultant lectured me on the evils of bottle feeding, and a midwife weighed him two days after he was born, but that was it. My son didn’t have a pediatrician. He saw the same doctor I did, a man who admitted he knew little about babies and would Google my questions.


The difference when we moved to the United States was stark. Right away my son’s pediatrician noted he had weak muscle tone and was behind in several key areas of development. After an MRI, it was determined he had autism. He started a rigorous course of treatment including speech, physical, occupational, and feeding therapy. He is now incredibly high-functioning, which would not have been the case had his condition been spotted later on.

###################

I don't accept the well visits stuff as true.

It simply defys all logic.

But maybe it is the case.

In any event... the article is nice counter to the wishful thinking of those who are so in love with it.

The difference is in the UK if a drunk or drugged-up homeless person collapses in the street he/she will be taken to hospital and will receive exactly the same treatment as a multi-millionaire with the best private health insurance money can buy.

In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I am only quoting folks who seem to have some real world perspective.

I realize there are many such perspectives.

I just said "In the US even with Obamacare, 30 million Americans don't get any treatment." is that, and as I've mentioned Sandy Hook/Columbine NOT "real world perspectives?" or just the ones you choose to ignore in your ignorant and offensive thread?
As a matter of interest, how much did you pay for your "wellness clinics" while many of your fellow Americans can't afford to have an abscess under the tooth treated? But then why should you care if they have to walk about in excruciating pain every day.
A complete lack of empathy for your fellow countryman - you Americans greatest flaw.

So you sit in judgement of Americans.

How noble of you.

I've not met anyone with an abscess tooth who wasn't treated.

Sorry. I don't have any experience with that.

Ha ha ha - talk about the pot calling the kettle!
Your thread entitled Why England Sucks. Did you notice where I live?
So you don't think that, and without any provocation that is not just sitting in judgment but being deliberately offensive. Of course you could have made the points you made without the blunt and offensive title. You then have the audacity to accause me of "sitting in judgment" of you. As Hitler found out to his cost, - you don't fling shit at England without getting it back a hundredfold! I note you still haven't explained why you are happy that 6 year olds got slaughtered at Sandy Hook just to keep your Second Amendment rights So now can you explain it to me? Would you still have the same attitude if your child had been one of the victims? Of course, if you had done something like ditching that amendment after Columbine, Sandy Hook would never have happened.
So why didn't you do something like protest to your State Senators Office?
So England Sucks does it? Ha ha ha what a hypocrite you are.

I watched a Documentary about being poor in the US and this guy who had lost his job house etc and was living rough had an abscess under his tooth. Luckily for him, a mobile medical charity happened to visit where he lived in Arizona (or so we thought). They examined him and gave him a prescription to take to the local hospital. He was again examined and told the cost which he couldn't pay. He came away with nothing not even painkillers cos he hadn't the money. I couldn't believe that the comparatively wealthy doctors and nurses he came in contact with couldn't find it in their hearts to at least give him the 10 or so dollars to pay for the pain killers, but no they couldn't, and you say England sucks?

Last week these clowns were all laughing because a 3 year old toddler shot his baby brother. Thats real freedom for freedom loving dopes. The parents were probably charged for the ambulance that took the infant to hospital. Sick fucks.

 

[ekrem]

UK is in better shape than USA

2021 Texas power crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[AMart]

UK is in better shape than USA

2021 Texas power crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1 fluke incident. Texas one day, by itself will have a higher GDP than all of England. Average GDP per person in the UK is around 42K and in the USA around 65K. Average income around the world

 

[Tommy Tainant]

UK is in better shape than USA

2021 Texas power crisis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

1 fluke incident. Texas one day, by itself will have a higher GDP than all of England. Average GDP per person in the UK is around 42K and in the USA around 65K. Average income around the world

You need that money to have babies and pay for your cancer treatment. Not something we have to worry about.