Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

This is wrong in your diatribe. The Jews wanted to kill Jesus, not because He claimed to be the Messiah, but because He claimed to be God. It was blasphemy in the Law, punishable by death.
Thats what his enemies claimed. Thy had been trying to frame a charge against him daily. And here you are perpetuating the lie that Jesus claimed to be God ignoring the entire Bible except for a few quotes in the NT. even ignoring the many more times Jesus made it clear that he didn't not think of himself as or claim to be God.

A scholar you are not. Much less honest.
 
"Before Abraham was, I AM". He NEVER denied that He was claiming to be God by forgiving sin. He never said, "Hey, no, I'm not God".
Jesus said he was given the authority to forgive sins, given the authority by God. Just like the high priest has the authority slaughter a he goat for the EXPIATION of sin. You have brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people because it is a well known fact, then and now, that anyone who claims to be God is insane.
 
Thats what his enemies claimed. Thy had been trying to frame a charge against him daily. And here you are perpetuating the lie that Jesus claimed to be God ignoring the entire Bible except for a few quotes in the NT. even ignoring the many more times Jesus made it clear that he didn't not think of himself as or claim to be God.

A scholar you are not. Much less honest.
I am fascinated----who were the "enemies" of Jesus and why?
 
I am fascinated----who were the "enemies" of Jesus and why?
Lets call them philosophical enemies, the pharisees and the sadducees. They saw Jesus as a traitor and threat for revealing "the secrets of the kingdom of God" Hidden wisdom in the Law that was deliberately being withheld by a few elite from the rest of the population so they could lead smooth easy lives off of the suffering of the laity.

That there was hidden meaning in the law being withheld is proven by the contemporary writings of his time.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.


On religious discussion.


No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.


Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline.


Thats why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. They put it on the lamp stand so everyone in the room can see" And thats why some exclaimed,"Where did he get this teaching!" not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret especially from froward men of ill repute like Jesus who was a "sinner" always in bad company. And they were right. Jesus was a "sinner" but only according to the most perverse superficial literal interpretation of the words used in the Law possible.
 
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Jesus said he was given the authority to forgive sins, given the authority by God. Just like the high priest has the authority slaughter a he goat for the EXPIATION of sin. You have brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people because it is a well known fact, then and now, that anyone who claims to be God is insane.
true-----EVEN BACK THEN-----anyone who claimed to be "GAWD" or having conversations
with gawd was "INFECTED" (approximately ---uhm ---something like DEBEK from which the
word DYBBUK is derived. -------not Criminal ----just nuts. Ask Freud
 
Lets call them philosophical enemies, the pharisees and the sadducees. They saw Jesus as a traitor and threat for revealing "the secrets of the kingdom of God" Hidden wisdom in the Law that was deliberately being withheld by a few elite from the rest of the population so they could lead smooth easy lives off of the suffering of the laity.

That there was hidden meaning in the law being withheld is proven by the contemporary writings of his time.


On the appointment of presbyters.

When these men have undergone, with blamelessness of conduct, a two year preparation in the fundamentals of the community, they shall be segregated as especially sacred among the formal members of the community. Any knowledge which the expositor of the Law may posses but which may have to remain arcane to the ordinary layman, HE SHALL NOT KEEP HIDDEN FROM THEM; for in their case there need be no fear that it might induce apostasy.


On religious discussion.


No one is to engage in discussion or disputation with men of ill repute; and in the company of froward men everyone is to abstain from talk about (KEEP HIDDEN) the meaning of the Law.


Dead Sea Scrolls, manual of discipline.


Thats why Jesus said, "No one lights a candle and then hides it under a bushel. They put it on the lamp stand so everyone in the room can see" And thats why some exclaimed,"Where did he get this teaching!" not because it was unknown, never heard before, but because it was supposed to be kept secret especially from froward men of ill repute like Jesus who was a "sinner" always in bad company. And they were right. Jesus was a "sinner" but only according to the most perverse superficial literal interpretation of the words used in the Law possible.
you contradict yourself. The people who withdrew to the "MIDBAR" back then developed secret
societies to escape Roman occupied Judea-----the corruption of Roman appointed priests,
tax collectors , to wit THE BAD GUYS (mafia like) For the Romans---those were the GOOD GUYS --
as in "good fellas" -----cosa nostra. Their enemies were the PHARISEES (like John the mikveh
man and Jesus) -----secret societies means secret societies------SO EVERYONE KNEW? ------
nope-------no internet back then. People in the general crowd could not even HACK IN
 
you contradict yourself. The people who withdrew to the "MIDBAR" back then developed secret
societies to escape Roman occupied Judea-----the corruption of Roman appointed priests,
tax collectors , to wit THE BAD GUYS (mafia like) For the Romans---those were the GOOD GUYS --
as in "good fellas" -----cosa nostra. Their enemies were the PHARISEES (like John the mikveh
man and Jesus) -----secret societies means secret societies------SO EVERYONE KNEW? ------
nope-------no internet back then. People in the general crowd could not even HACK IN
I agree with most of that but....Everyone knew?

You missread. I just said the only a few elite were given the secrets of the kingdom of God and yes, the Dead Sea community was against the Roman occupation, corruption of Temple worship, corrupt priests, tax collectors, etc.

But Jesus was a friend to the bad guys (mafia like) sinners tax collectors hitmen and all sorts of bad characters.

Objectively speaking, knowing a few bad characters myself, to the Romans standing around watching one guy who claimed to come down from the sky arguing with people afraid of bacon must have just seemed funny.


 
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I agree with most of that but....Everyone knew?

You missread. I just said the only a few elite were given the secrets of the kingdom of God.
try again-----'everyone' jumped and said--------because 'everyone' knew. This event
did not take place in the secret enclave out in the midbar (desert, wilderness) It took
place in the city where "everyone" did not know. As to "sinners" ----for the pharisees---
the sadducean priests and the tax collectors and the money changers were "sinners" ---
For the Romans they were the ALLIES ---THE GOOD GUYS. and the Pharisees were the
bad guys (the ELLIOT NESS TYPES in the perception of AL CAPONE) The text approaches sensible
if you know WHO IS WHO. "the secrets is given to the elite......."???? IS YOU DEBEKED?
(infected----as in harboring a DYBBUK)
 
try again-----'everyone' jumped and said--------because 'everyone' knew. This event
did not take place in the secret enclave out in the midbar (desert, wilderness) It took
place in the city where "everyone" did not know. As to "sinners" ----for the pharisees---
the sadducean priests and the tax collectors and the money changers were "sinners" ---
For the Romans they were the ALLIES ---THE GOOD GUYS. and the Pharisees were the
bad guys (the ELLIOT NESS TYPES in the perception of AL CAPONE) The text approaches sensible
if you know WHO IS WHO. "the secrets is given to the elite......."???? IS YOU DEBEKED?
(infected----as in harboring a DYBBUK)
Where are you getting this "everyone jumped and said" and "everyone knew" shit? Not from me.

And Jesus probably was raised as a pharisee but, as it is written, he was nowhere to be found in the tomb, a whitewashed tomb being what he called pharisaic beliefs and practices, full of corruption and dead mens bones.
 
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Where are you getting this "everyone knew" shit? Not from me.

And Jesus probably was raised as a pharisee but, as it is written, he was nowhere to be found in the tomb, a whitewashed tomb being what he called pharisaic beliefs and practices, full of corruption and dead mens bones.
ok----just the people present at the event -----who were they? visitors from the midbar?
itinerant preachers like John the Mikveh man and Elijah?
 
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What difference does it make?

If you have something to say about why protestants think they are christian and catholics are not, no one is stopping you.

So what is it?
the first theological argument I witnessed ----we three girls were all six years old----
(first grade)----sandy (protestant) said, ACCUSINGLY "YOU PRAY TO MARY" ---
Lenore (catholic) said "NO, we pray FOR mary" I did not take part. Does that help?
 
Thats what his enemies claimed. Thy had been trying to frame a charge against him daily. And here you are perpetuating the lie that Jesus claimed to be God ignoring the entire Bible except for a few quotes in the NT. even ignoring the many more times Jesus made it clear that he didn't not think of himself as or claim to be God.

A scholar you are not. Much less honest.
Well, you disdain most of the NT because you disagree with the guy that wrote a lot of it, so you feel safe in ignoring what he had to say. The entire Bible points to Jesus being God, including Daniel's vision of Yeshu taking His throne next to God's throne and being worshipped. Naturally, you believe God would accept someone being worshipped in His presence who is not Him.
 
Jesus said he was given the authority to forgive sins, given the authority by God. Just like the high priest has the authority slaughter a he goat for the EXPIATION of sin. You have brought the name of Jesus into disrepute among intelligent people because it is a well known fact, then and now, that anyone who claims to be God is insane.
So you believe Jesus was insane, got it.
 
So you believe Jesus was insane, got it.
If Jesus claimed to be God he was insane.

I know thats not what he meant by saying things like the father and I are one, if you have seen me you have seen the father, etc, you are the one who says Jesus claimed to be God which amounts to saying Jesus was insane.

Capisci?
 
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