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you are an echo chamber - repeating vibrations as if a response.
Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?
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you are an echo chamber - repeating vibrations as if a response.
Exactly, and He was saying HE existed before Abraham, and took God's title for Himself. You can't escape that without massive twisting of Scripture. It must be exhausting.
And, as I've shown you in Scripture that you insist on ignoring, He set aside His station to become one of us. He didn't consider equality with God something to hold onto for His advantage. You don't like that part of Scripture so you denigrate the writer and ignore it, at your own peril.
You do know that Elohim is a plural noun, correct? So when God created everything, it is more than one person doing it?
What you call evidence is what was written by men and proves nothing especially if you don't understand basic literature or failed to include in your speculation what are well known facts about reality and facts about the one true God of Israel.
That scares you, to think that you have wasted so much time and money pretending to believe in maudlin crap about a trinity that became a Jewish mangod who died for your sins but never existed. What's worse what you are saying hear show that you are under the dominion of a spirit of perversity, a soulless believer in the Antichrist.
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No he is saying before Abraham was born, I am. God exists. The God of Abraham who was with and in Jesus, but not Jesus.
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wrong---the plural is used as an honorific in hebrew.
Again, you are citing a letter of Paul which does not trump what Jesus said about himself. Paul was a guilt ridden self loathing homophobic misogynist, a Roman shill preaching Mithraism in the name of Jesus, a rabid anti Christian persecutor who misled early Christians into submitting to the Roman government WHEN NERO WAS CAEASR and brazenly contradicted Jesus on many key issues foundational to salvation misleading people into setting aside the Divine commands which amounts to murder, like "satan was a murderer from the beginning."
And any intelligent person must pick and choose what is true and what is false, what is clean teaching or unclean teaching, teaching the edifies of teaching that that defiles and contaminates the mind. Ignore this at your peril. You have failed to stand guard over the sanctity of your own mind, failed to include reality in your speculations, failed to admit to your stupid errors and so you have lost it. Seriously lost it, perhaps forever.
"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) BURIED IT AGAIN."
"Anyone who sets aside even the least of these commands, AND TEACHES OTHERS TO DO THE SAME, will be called least in the kingdom of Heaven." To understand what Jesus meant by saying least, see Genesis 3:14
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Elohim is singular when referring to God.
Do yourself a favor. Go back to the drawing board.
No, any plain reading of the Scripture, complete with the reaction of the Jews trying to kill Him for saying it, CLEARLY points to Jesus saying He is "I AM", aka God. Only if you desperately seek to avoid that conclusion do you add to, reinterpret the plain meaning of, and in general ignore this passage.
The plain meaning of what He said in today's understanding is that He was claiming to be God.
The understanding of the Jews around Him of what he meant is that He was claiming to be God. They tried to kill Him for it.
You can only avoid that by completely rewriting it to suit yourself. So now you're faced with one of two conclusions, either Jesus was who He said He was or, as you claim, He was a lunatic. If you choose the latter, then why do you even bother talking about Him? Let those of us who know better discuss matters among ourselves.
A plain reading of "If your right eye offends thee pluck it out." is not what Jesus meant by using hyperbole.
Thats the thing. One must dig deep to find hidden treasure buried in a filed. The field being the words in scripture.
"The kingdom of heaven is like hidden treasure buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again."
"I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and acts on them: He is like a man who in building a house DUG DEEP and laid his foundation on solid rock." Luke 6:48. Lets face it dude. You fucked up.
Is that too hard for a believer to believe? Do yourself a favor. Go back to the drawing board before its too late.
Can you dig it?
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huh? when did DA JOOOOOS try to kill Jesus? Da jooos did kill people back in the day---
what stopped'em from killing Jesus? Do jews regularly kill people for making claims about
being a "messiah" or "GAWD"? (historically, there have been cases----in fact you can find
cases in psychiatric wards ------uhm......even in "kosher" hospitals"------used to be treated
with kosher thorazine----in any case they did have something like jails back then---for the
"sick"-----those "infected"
GMCGeneral
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And this is why there is such a push with Catholic propaganda today. They are bleeding numbers while churches that preach sola scriptura and salvation by grace alone without works are growing in both numbers and spiritual maturity.
that's spiritual maturity?
If you recall, and I'm SURE you do, the Jews as a governed society were not allowed to execute prisoners. That was reserved for the Romans to do. This was not executing a prisoner, this was attempting to murder someone over religious differences.
And yes, it was a capital crime in Jewish society to blaspheme the name of God, and claiming to be God was blasphemy.
In that case, Jesus was indeed using terminology well known and in use in His day. This bolsters my case, because the Jews around Him at the time knew what He was talking about, just like they knew He was claiming to be God when He took one of God's titles for Himself.
your understanding of the society and culture and law of Roman occupied Judea 2000 years ago
is very deficient. In fact that BAN ON EXECUTION by the occupying Roman forces is actually a
myth. Further, Jesus was, by far, assuming he did claim to be a messiah----not unique---
and none were executed. The other myth you believe is that people were stoned left and
right------even the story of the "adulteress" on the verge of being stoned is nonsensical.
HOWEVER ----that which was HAPPENING was ASSASSINATION According to the NT
Jesus was a recognized celebrity------killing him would have been "a breeze" In general,
the people who were being killed----were being killed for POLITICAL REASONS very much
like the PATRIOTS were killing LOYALISTS in Colonial America
You are just wrong. If they knew what the was talking about how do you explain this little exchange?
He said to them, I am going away, and you will look for me, but you will die in your sin. Where I am going, you cannot come. So the Jews began to ask, Will he kill himself, since he says,Where I am going you cannot come?
Even the disciples, the ones closest to him, didn't understand what he was saying or what he meant many times.
But the disciples did not understand any of these things. The meaning was hidden from them, and they did not comprehend what He was saying. Luke 18:34
HOW CAN YOU FAIL TO SEE THAT I WAS NOT SPEAKING ABOUT BREAD?
Matthew16:11
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And Judas was what amounts to a hit man.
This is wrong in your diatribe. The Jews wanted to kill Jesus, not because He claimed to be the Messiah, but because He claimed to be God. It was blasphemy in the Law, punishable by death.
And the Bible makes it plain when people didn't understand something and when they did. Jesus NEVER denied that He was claiming to be God when He said, "Before Abraham was, I AM". He NEVER denied that He was claiming to be God by forgiving sin. He never said, "Hey, no, I'm not God".
Luke wasn't there. He was something like a NYT columnist -----lots of imagination
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