Zone1 why do some Protestants think that only they are Christians and the Catholics are not?

No, my criteria would be physical not spiritual.
You wouldn't consider it a 'miracle' if ding suddenly stopped being a religious hypocrite and asshole? I would.

To me that would amount to a decades dead corpse coming to life and walking out of a smelly tomb filled with corruption, parasites, maggots, creepy things that creep, flies, rats, mice, worms, and long dead mens bones.
 
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No. I didn’t say that. I said it was intentionally written to explore who Jesus is. It had nothing to do with the miracles performed. It had to do with how the apostles perceived Jesus. Prior to the resurrection they were uncertain. As in who is this guy that is able to do the things he is doing.
I agree, the focus of the NT is mainly theological, the history has been seriously massaged to fit. That is a main reason I don't accept assertions of miracles and the resurrection as historical.

Mark more than the other three gospels spotlights the uncertainty of the apostles concerning who Jesus is prior to the resurrection. In fact, even after the resurrection Thomas had his doubts, but Jesus put those to rest.
If Jesus' closest associates didn't know he was God, how could anyone else know? They saw miracles (the resurrection was just another miracle) but didn't see he was God? Seems unlikely to me.
 
Thanks for tying to tell me what I believe, but you are wrong. Not only do I believe that God gave commandments I also see clearly the mercy and wisdom of God for doing so for such pitiful creatures lost in abject confusion.

And thanks to you, sweet cheeks, many will see the wisdom of God in giving the law that prohibits eating the flesh of unclean creatures that DO NOT RUMINATE by demonstrating the terrifying and deeply disturbing consequences, the death, a curse, for setting that clear, simple, and easy to comply with instruction aside.
And yet you reject God’s command in Leviticus 18:22 because according to you God would have to be a pitiful prick of a god.
 
I agree, the focus of the NT is mainly theological, the history has been seriously massaged to fit. That is a main reason I don't accept assertions of miracles and the resurrection as historical.


If Jesus' closest associates didn't know he was God, how could anyone else know? They saw miracles (the resurrection was just another miracle) but didn't see he was God? Seems unlikely to me.
The focus of the gospels is Jesus, who Jesus is and why he is here.

You don’t accept the miracles because you don’t believe who Jesus said he was. You have already admitted that if you had witnessed the miracles in person you would have believed Jesus is God. I submit to you that that belief would require more. Namely Jesus explains who he is and why he is here and something even more miraculous like seeing him put to death and then seeing him resurrected.

The evidence and the accounts make perfect sense. You reject it all on the grounds that you do not believe in anything supernatural even though by definition the creation of the universe was a supernatural event.
 
And yet you reject God’s command in Leviticus 18:22 because according to you God would have to be a pitiful prick of a god.
No, I understand the deeper implications of the Law and comply with it unlike you who has lifted his skirt for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth, everything from talking serpents to swine that do not ruminate, maggots, vultures, talking donkeys, wolves, goats, bottom feeders, and creepy things that creep.

Do you call trump daddy? Do you call your priest father? Do you seek spiritual life from a lifeless piece of bread?

You are guilty of violating Leviticus 18:22 and openly and brazenly defying many other of the Divine commands.

IN FULL VIEW OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. Pervert..

Sorry darling, you lose.
 
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No, I understand the deeper implications of the Law and comply with it unlike you who has lifted his skirt for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth, everything from talking serpents to swine that do not ruminate.

Do you call trump daddy? Do you call your priest father? Do you seek spiritual life from a lifeless pice of bread?

Sorry darling, you lose.
You make up your own interpretations to suit your needs. You practice the time honored tradition of political subversive by trying to subordinate religion.
 
I read the first word and the last word of your post out of respect for you. Out of respect for God and my own beliefs, I skipped past the rest.
You could have just said that you are a faithless coward. But this response is just as good. Thanks for sharing!
 
Still, Jesuits have all the arguments to prove they are right.
That may be what they say yet just one casual look at what they do sweeps all of those arguments clean away.

They seek spiritual life (WORDS from God that are both Spirit and life that came to Jesus like manna from heaven that became his flesh, his teaching) from bread made by human hands that they worship and eat. Yum.

They religiously defy the Law of God, by worshiping a trinity, and desecrate the WORDS of Jesus, by teaching "the faithful" that the Body of Christ, Jesus himself, can be MADE BY HUMAN HANDS handed out and eaten like a cheap snack food (in a deranged eating of the god ritual) for spiritual life... and then crapped down the toilet.

Damn sardonic those crafty 4th century Romans....

If scripture is true Jesuits died a long time ago and as the living should know by now, the dead know nothing.

Even so I have always enjoyed hearing their latest Pope jokes.
 
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The focus of the gospels is Jesus, who Jesus is and why he is here.
Agreed.

You don’t accept the miracles because you don’t believe who Jesus said he was. You have already admitted that if you had witnessed the miracles in person you would have believed Jesus is God. I submit to you that that belief would require more. Namely Jesus explains who he is and why he is here and something even more miraculous like seeing him put to death and then seeing him resurrected.
I don't accept miracles because I've never seen one. As for the resurrection, it is a great story but hardly unique, I suspect that somehow the story got told and grew legs. Was it a case of mistaken identity or someone convinced the story of Jesus couldn't end on the cross, I don't know. As I recall Elvis had a bunch of sightings after his death.

The evidence and the accounts make perfect sense. You reject it all on the grounds that you do not believe in anything supernatural even though by definition the creation of the universe was a supernatural event.
I wouldn't call the accounts 'perfect' since they do not match each other.
 
I don't accept miracles because I've never seen one. As for the resurrection, it is a great story but hardly unique, I suspect that somehow the story got told and grew legs. Was it a case of mistaken identity or someone convinced the story of Jesus couldn't end on the cross, I don't know. As I recall Elvis had a bunch of sightings after his death.
The latest information on the Shroud of Turin is worth perusing.
 
New methods don't always hold up to scrutiny, we'll have to see. The radio carbon dating on the other hand is well tested.
Is it possible that the carbon dating was contaminated because of the carbon from the fire in 1532 making it appear to have been created in the Middle Ages?
 
Christianity is not about relics, it is about revelation. The words of Jesus are too strong and too clear for those who have chosen to manipulated them over time. Reducing them to nonsense has prevented many unfortunate souls from full release from the veil of appearances. His message is meant to sweep away illusion, much like Buddha, and crush the nutshell that society forms around the self.
 
The words of Jesus are too strong and too clear
Yet because of over 30,000 denominations it seems that many people have never heard a single word he said.

"You have eyes can't you see, you have ears can't you hear? How can you fail to see that I was not speaking about bread?"

Some things never change.
 
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Is it possible that the carbon dating was contaminated because of the carbon from the fire in 1532 making it appear to have been created in the Middle Ages?
Anything is possible but something so well known would have been taken into account. These people know what they are doing.
 
Agreed.


I don't accept miracles because I've never seen one. As for the resurrection, it is a great story but hardly unique, I suspect that somehow the story got told and grew legs. Was it a case of mistaken identity or someone convinced the story of Jesus couldn't end on the cross, I don't know. As I recall Elvis had a bunch of sightings after his death.


I wouldn't call the accounts 'perfect' since they do not match each other.
It’s your not accepting miracles which has biased you. I would have said biased your examination of the evidence but you never examined it before.

I think we should continue this discussion in our bull ring discussion.
 
What you call evidence provided by a written account of what someone else saw and heard amounts to hearsay.
The history of the first Christians worshipping Jesus as God as recorded by non-Christian historians is not hearsay. It’s literally how Christianity began. Christians worshipping Jesus as God is a core Christian belief that dates back to the resurrection of Christ.
 
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