Zone1 Why do Protestants "always" try to insult Catholics?

[SweetSue92]

I cannot change Truth. I cannot change God. And why would I? I'm very glad God doesn't lower himself to our level just because His ways sound "divisive and exclusionary."

Jesus founded a Church. It stands to reason that everyone calling him or herself a Christian should belong to it.

Am I right so far?

And if that Church says there is no salvation outside of it, I think it would be wise to believe that, or at least try to believe it (it may be difficult since we have had 500 years of heresy from Luther et al).

There was a monk (possibly St Bernard?) who died and then appeared to someone he knew, probably someone in the monastery... told him that when he died, something like 32,000 people also died (exact # was given but I cannot recall the exact # but it was over 32,000)

One went directly to Heaven, 2 went to Purgatory to be purified before entering Heaven
and all the rest fell into Hell

Luther rebelled because your church was selling Indulgences and other atrocities. You know this, right?

 

[Zebra]

Luther rebelled because your church was selling Indulgences and other atrocities. You know this, right?

the church has stopped that ... so the Lutherans could return.

 

[Meriweather]

Luther rebelled because your church was selling Indulgences and other atrocities.

Not the Church--a few of the Church leaders and other Church leaders and priests (including Luther) spoke out against it. Luther was influenced by secular people and secular reasons to breaking away. Luther was their poster boy. Remember his dismay when people began breaking away from his church.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Luther rebelled because your church was selling Indulgences and other atrocities. You know this, right?

Does Christ's Church stop being Christ's Church because there are sinners in it?

So you believe that humans can destroy Christ's Church?

Those humans... they certainly are powerful! Therefore, who needs Jesus?

That's what you'd have to believe to believe as Protestants do

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why didn't Jesus extol the virtues of what you call "Christ's Church" in Revelation? All of Paul's churches made the cut.
Is Christ going to reside at the Vatican when He returns?

 

[Zebra]

Not the Church--a few of the Church leaders and other Church leaders and priests (including Luther) spoke out against it. Luther was influenced by secular people and secular reasons to breaking away. Luther was their poster boy. Remember his dismay when people began breaking away from his church.

who broke away?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Why didn't Jesus extol the virtues of what you call "Christ's Church" in Revelation? All of Paul's churches made the cut.
Is Christ going to reside at the Vatican when He returns?

You obviously don't read my posts/threads.

I am NOT a Vatican 2 Catholic

The Catholic Church is not there anymore.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Pick a year when there wasn't a Vatican controversy. You have defined the years you don't approve of. What if there is an era that you approve of, but come to find out the Pope had a mistress?

 

[forkintheroad7]

Pick a year when there wasn't a Vatican controversy. You have defined the years you don't approve of. What if there is an era that you approve of, but come to find out the Pope had a mistress?

Past (real) popes who had a mistress never TAUGHT that that was OK, that doctrines on marriage were to be changed because of their desire to sin.

THAT is the difference (in a nut shell, though it is hardly simple) btwn what happened back when and what is happening today.

But I've virtually given up on Protestants understanding ... what I understand vis a vis the Church Christ founded and etc. It seems you have to be raised Catholic (and then do research on your Church) before you fully understand

 

[Cougarbear]

I just had this one poster (can't remember what topic) tell me, after I suggested a website he could go to in order to learn about Catholicism:

"I'll stick to following Jesus"

It's the usual way Protestants I have encountered over the years interact with Catholics who adhere to their Faith: Insult them (by insinuating that they are following Christ and you, you disgusting Catholic, are not.)

I just can't believe some of the rot I hear from some of these posters... I mean, it kind of blows me away, the closed-minded-ness... the lack of interest in Church history OR Church teachings. They don't investigate Catholicism... and yet try to come across like they are experts on it.

Well, one thing I can do is use the great feature here: Ignore. Why should I be the least bit bothered that they do this kind of thing?

If they want to end up in Hell for rejecting Christ's TRUE Church (again, NO LONGER @ the Vatican), that is on them. I've done my part.

"True Church?" Who designated the Catholic Church "The True Church?" Catholics did. They gave themselves their own made up authority and then authorized the 27 books of the Bible the Catholic Bible of Authority. Circular reasoning? The thing is, the Bible already had it's own authority written by Apostles of Jesus Christ with Authority to do so. The Catholic Church just accepted already authoritative scriptures in a list. The thing is, the Catholic Church doesn't even follow the Bible when looking at the blueprints in the Bible for the true Church of Jesus Christ. It doesn't. I mean, what's a Cardinal??? I've never seen it in the Bible anywhere. Yet, their Pope is picked from and by the Cardinals. So, I'd have to ask, by what authority does the Pope have if he is elected by something never mentioned in the Bible?
But Protestants, don't get too high and mighty. You came out from within the Catholic Church. If the Catholic Church is not the true Church then neither are any of your 45,000 so-called Christian Churches. Why are there 45,000 different sects of Christian Churches if the Bible is authoritative anyways? It's called "Unintentional Blindness" and is a real phenomenon. You see what you want to see. And sometimes, you throw out what is in the Bible because of Intentional Blindness.

 

[hadit]

I just had this one poster (can't remember what topic) tell me, after I suggested a website he could go to in order to learn about Catholicism:

"I'll stick to following Jesus"

It's the usual way Protestants I have encountered over the years interact with Catholics who adhere to their Faith: Insult them (by insinuating that they are following Christ and you, you disgusting Catholic, are not.)

I just can't believe some of the rot I hear from some of these posters... I mean, it kind of blows me away, the closed-minded-ness... the lack of interest in Church history OR Church teachings. They don't investigate Catholicism... and yet try to come across like they are experts on it.

Well, one thing I can do is use the great feature here: Ignore. Why should I be the least bit bothered that they do this kind of thing?

If they want to end up in Hell for rejecting Christ's TRUE Church (again, NO LONGER @ the Vatican), that is on them. I've done my part.

Look in the mirror before complaining about others insulting you. You regularly insult those in the Body of Christ who do not hold membership in the Catholic Church.

 

[Care4all]

I just had this one poster (can't remember what topic) tell me, after I suggested a website he could go to in order to learn about Catholicism:

"I'll stick to following Jesus"

It's the usual way Protestants I have encountered over the years interact with Catholics who adhere to their Faith: Insult them (by insinuating that they are following Christ and you, you disgusting Catholic, are not.)

I just can't believe some of the rot I hear from some of these posters... I mean, it kind of blows me away, the closed-minded-ness... the lack of interest in Church history OR Church teachings. They don't investigate Catholicism... and yet try to come across like they are experts on it.

Well, one thing I can do is use the great feature here: Ignore. Why should I be the least bit bothered that they do this kind of thing?

If they want to end up in Hell for rejecting Christ's TRUE Church (again, NO LONGER @ the Vatican), that is on them. I've done my part.

You can learn more about what your differences are if you continue to speak with them, and do some research on what the issues are that they disagree with the Catholic Church on...research the Church's views with Biblical support for their beliefs and do the same with the Protestants beliefs and their Biblical support.

Of course this is better done in person, so you are limited.

I was reared Catholic, and my husband belonged to a non denominational Community Church, when we met...his family...mostly mom, had the family change denominational churches a few times.... Baptist, Episcopal and the Community Church.

Anyway, like all protestants they were taught that Catholics were bad or not really Christians and a whole bunch of other Southern traditions said about them. And honestly, I think I was trained to believe only Catholics were true Christians....not directly....but indirectly...with rules, like you have to marry a Catholic.

But they loved me, and I loved them and their son!

And religion was important to both of us! My hubby...boyfriend or fiance at the time, gave me a Student Bible to read, which had explanations for each book, before you read it, and during the read here and there where it became tough to understand...

as a Catholic... though hearing the Gospel and other Scripture my whole life in Mass and catechism, I never owned my own Bible, to hold and read myself, and even scribble notes in, as my mother in law did...her Bible that she had for at least 50 years has notes that old from when she heard preachers, preach on the passage, in Sunday sermons or Bible study classes.

She was a walking Bible, any questions I had on something she could lead me directly to the Bible verses discussing the topic...

To make a long long story shorter, we learned from each other, around the kitchen table, with Bibles in hand, that we were both, Christians. I was even able to convince her that some things she believed about Catholics were simply not true....using Bible verses! She even apologized for all the years she thought evil of us from her training before she passed onward.

Dear Lord I miss her!

 

[Moonglow]

I just had this one poster (can't remember what topic) tell me, after I suggested a website he could go to in order to learn about Catholicism:

"I'll stick to following Jesus"

It's the usual way Protestants I have encountered over the years interact with Catholics who adhere to their Faith: Insult them (by insinuating that they are following Christ and you, you disgusting Catholic, are not.)

I just can't believe some of the rot I hear from some of these posters... I mean, it kind of blows me away, the closed-minded-ness... the lack of interest in Church history OR Church teachings. They don't investigate Catholicism... and yet try to come across like they are experts on it.

Well, one thing I can do is use the great feature here: Ignore. Why should I be the least bit bothered that they do this kind of thing?

If they want to end up in Hell for rejecting Christ's TRUE Church (again, NO LONGER @ the Vatican), that is on them. I've done my part.

Why can't you damn Christians get along with each other?

 

[forkintheroad7]

You can learn more about what your differences are if you continue to speak with them, and do some research on what the issues are that they disagree with the Catholic Church on...research the Church's views with Biblical support for their beliefs and do the same with the Protestants beliefs and their Biblical support.

Of course this is better done in person, so you are limited.

I was reared Catholic, and my husband belonged to a non denominational Community Church, when we met...his family...mostly mom, had the family change denominational churches a few times.... Baptist, Episcopal and the Community Church.

Anyway, like all protestants they were taught that Catholics were bad or not really Christians and a whole bunch of other Southern traditions said about them. And honestly, I think I was trained to believe only Catholics were true Christians....not directly....but indirectly...with rules, like you have to marry a Catholic.

But they loved me, and I loved them and their son!

And religion was important to both of us! My hubby...boyfriend or fiance at the time, gave me a Student Bible to read, which had explanations for each book, before you read it, and during the read here and there where it became tough to understand...

as a Catholic... though hearing the Gospel and other Scripture my whole life in Mass and catechism, I never owned my own Bible, to hold and read myself, and even scribble notes in, as my mother in law did...her Bible that she had for at least 50 years has notes that old from when she heard preachers, preach on the passage, in Sunday sermons or Bible study classes.

She was a walking Bible, any questions I had on something she could lead me directly to the Bible verses discussing the topic...

To make a long long story shorter, we learned from each other, around the kitchen table, with Bibles in hand, that we were both, Christians. I was even able to convince her that some things she believed about Catholics were simply not true....using Bible verses! She even apologized for all the years she thought evil of us from her training before she passed onward.

Dear Lord I miss her!

Thanks for an interesting post.

I have used scripture often in trying to get nonCatholics to realize that Catholics are not.. uh... from Hell. I seroiusly believe some posters here basically think that way. I keep thinking to myself: If only they knew... if only they knew...

Knew what, you may ask? Well, how beautiful Catholicism is, the Mass, the Real Presence in the Churches, which amazingly is still there despite all the heresy "in higher places." But really, is it a high place if there is entrenched and obstinate heresy?

Anyhow, I'm glad you got along w/ your in-laws. That's kind of rare, it seems, but how would I know? I've never been married and never will be, I'm sure. In any case, I dont' get along with anyone---

except Jesus

 

[forkintheroad7]

"True Church?" Who designated the Catholic Church "The True Church?" Catholics did.

I've posted the following truth seemingly thousands of times and NOT one Protestant EVER addresses this historical fact:

The Catholic Church can be traced back (easily) to the time of the Ascension. A lot of books and manuscripts have not survived history (fires, etc) but extant documents show the Church Jesus founded was called Catholic AT LEAST as far back as 107 AD.

Protestants can only trace their religion(s) back to Martin Luther, fallen, formally ex-communicated, rebellious Catholic priest who is likely in Hell right now for dividing Christendom (and other serious sins).

You protestants don't answer on this topic because you KNOW your "churches" are modern, man-made inventions and you are too prideful to admit that.. so you just ignore the issue entirely.

sheez

 

[Cougarbear]

I've posted the following truth seemingly thousands of times and NOT one Protestant EVER addresses this historical fact:

The Catholic Church can be traced back (easily) to the time of the Ascension. A lot of books and manuscripts have not survived history (fires, etc) but extant documents show the Church Jesus founded was called Catholic AT LEAST as far back as 107 AD.

Protestants can only trace their religion(s) back to Martin Luther, fallen, formally ex-communicated, rebellious Catholic priest who is likely in Hell right now for dividing Christendom (and other serious sins).

You protestants don't answer on this topic because you KNOW your "churches" are modern, man-made inventions and you are too prideful to admit that.. so you just ignore the issue entirely.

sheez

To begin with, John the Revelator either died or was translated into a being who cannot die until the Second Coming. That was about 100 A.D. He was the last Apostle/Prophet because the rest of the Church had fallen into Apostacy. Evident by no more Apostles or Prophets. So, of course in 107 A.D. the name of the Church was changed from The Church of Jesus Christ to the Roman Catholic Church. Clear Apostacy. Protestants came out from the Apostacy Church of Catholic and therefore are also in a state of apostacy. By 1820, there were no Churches on the face of the entire earth that were Christ's Church and were in the state of apostacy. Oh, most of the members of the 45,000 churches are good people just trying their best with less than the full Gospel of Jesus Christ. But, the heavens were closed. No more Revelation and no more authority. The Bible does not give authority. It's just a book. But, in 1820, the heavens opened and the Father and Son again spoke to us through a 14 year old boy, Joseph Smith. By 1830, the Lord's Church was again established with his name in it, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We again have Prophets and Apostles. The heavens and authority is again given to man to do the work of the Lord.

 

[forkintheroad7]

To begin with, John the Revelator either died or was translated into a being who cannot die until the Second Coming. That was about 100 A.D. He was the last Apostle/Prophet because the rest of the Church had fallen into Apostacy. Evident by no more Apostles or Prophets. So, of course in 107 A.D. the name of the Church was changed from The Church of Jesus Christ to the Roman Catholic Church. Clear Apostacy. Protestants came out from the Apostacy Church of Catholic and therefore are also in a state of apostacy. By 1820, there were no Churches on the face of the entire earth that were Christ's Church and were in the state of apostacy. Oh, most of the members of the 45,000 churches are good people just trying their best with less than the full Gospel of Jesus Christ. But, the heavens were closed. No more Revelation and no more authority. The Bible does not give authority. It's just a book. But, in 1820, the heavens opened and the Father and Son again spoke to us through a 14 year old boy, Joseph Smith. By 1830, the Lord's Church was again established with his name in it, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We again have Prophets and Apostles. The heavens and authority is again given to man to do the work of the Lord.

I didn't get past the first 2 sentences because it's garbage.

But you are free to believe it.. free to go to Hell since you won't join the TRUE Church.

I am not reading through a bunch of human-made religious BS. Once you find Christ, the real Christ

you feel that way/think that way... It's like St Peter said when Jesus asked if he was also going to leave Him because the Eucharist teaching of His was "too hard"

Peter said to Jesus

"Where would we go? You have the Words of eternal life."

There is no salvation outside the True Church Christ founded (a 2000+ year old teaching)

 

[Cougarbear]

I didn't get past the first 2 sentences because it's garbage.

But you are free to believe it.. free to go to Hell since you won't join the TRUE Church.

I am not reading through a bunch of human-made religious BS. Once you find Christ, the real Christ

you feel that way/think that way... It's like St Peter said when Jesus asked if he was also going to leave Him because the Eucharist teaching of His was "too hard"

Peter said to Jesus

"Where would we go? You have the Words of eternal life."

There is no salvation outside the True Church Christ founded (a 2000+ year old teaching)

Actually, It's the Catholic Church that is a human based religion. There's very little accuracy about everything from the Priesthood to the baptizing of babies that is heretic. I can show you in the Bible everything that is not in the Catholic Church starting with the foundation stated in Ephesians 4:11-13, Apostles and Prophets. You have none. You don't. And, you can't just make up that you have. You have to have living Apostles and Prophets so that you "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." Eph 4:14.
That's just to start with. Then, their is the authority of the Priesthood lost when you changed the order from Melchizedek and Aaronic to Dominican, Monastic, Friars Minor, Saint Benedict, Apostolic Administrator, Augustinian, Benedictine, Canons Regular, Jesuits, Franciscans... On and on...

 

[Zebra]

Actually, It's the Catholic Church that is a human based religion. There's very little accuracy about everything from the Priesthood to the baptizing of babies that is heretic. I can show you in the Bible everything that is not in the Catholic Church starting with the foundation stated in Ephesians 4:11-13, Apostles and Prophets. You have none. You don't. And, you can't just make up that you have. You have to have living Apostles and Prophets so that you "henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive." Eph 4:14.
That's just to start with. Then, their is the authority of the Priesthood lost when you changed the order from Melchizedek and Aaronic to Dominican, Monastic, Friars Minor, Saint Benedict, Apostolic Administrator, Augustinian, Benedictine, Canons Regular, Jesuits, Franciscans... On and on...

What,s wrong with Saint Benedict?
And what,s right with Melchisedech?

 

[hadit]

I've posted the following truth seemingly thousands of times and NOT one Protestant EVER addresses this historical fact:

The Catholic Church can be traced back (easily) to the time of the Ascension. A lot of books and manuscripts have not survived history (fires, etc) but extant documents show the Church Jesus founded was called Catholic AT LEAST as far back as 107 AD.

Protestants can only trace their religion(s) back to Martin Luther, fallen, formally ex-communicated, rebellious Catholic priest who is likely in Hell right now for dividing Christendom (and other serious sins).

You protestants don't answer on this topic because you KNOW your "churches" are modern, man-made inventions and you are too prideful to admit that.. so you just ignore the issue entirely.

sheez

False. You yourself claim the Catholic Church is the real church, but not really because the Pope isn't right, but is really because long time, but not really because you don't agree with the leadership. You don't seem to realize all the denominations are branches from the root, Jesus Christ.