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Who Built the Egyptian Pyramids?
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they were not necessarily slaves----just hungry peopleThey were most likely built by thousands of slaves.
More than likely not one white supremacist held the whips either.
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There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.
Hyksos - Wikipedia
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Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.
the tanach precedes the Merneptah Stele and includes ETYMOLOGICAL evidence thatThere is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.
"the people later called jews" were in Egypt. Try to remember HEINRICH SCHLIEMAN---
it took a really long time for him to prove that there really was a TROY and that Homer
did not write fantasy. The people called "jews" still use terms picked up in Egypt
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the tanach precedes the Merneptah Stele and includes ETYMOLOGICAL evidence thatThere is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.
"the people later called jews" were in Egypt. Try to remember HEINRICH SCHLIEMAN---
it took a really long time for him to prove that there really was a TROY and that Homer
did not write fantasy. The people called "jews" still use terms picked up in Egypt
Schlieman has nothing to do with it.
You believe Moses wrote the Tanach?
There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.
Hyksos - Wikipedia
stupid question-------nobody makes that claim. Schlieman recognized that scriptural writings,the tanach precedes the Merneptah Stele and includes ETYMOLOGICAL evidence thatThere is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.
"the people later called jews" were in Egypt. Try to remember HEINRICH SCHLIEMAN---
it took a really long time for him to prove that there really was a TROY and that Homer
did not write fantasy. The people called "jews" still use terms picked up in Egypt
Schlieman has nothing to do with it.
You believe Moses wrote the Tanach?
which include the ODYSSEY, have historical significance. Other scriptural writings like the
BHAGAVAD GITA and even the koran have some historical value. During his time the Odyssey
was seen as a fantasy written by HOMER-----but Schlieman did FIND TROY and evidence of the
battles that destroyed it. As to the Tanach----even the traditional belief is that MOSES DID NOT
WRITE IT-------only a small part is attributed to him-----back in the day lots of writings were
ATTRIBUTED to the "leader" It is likely that David did not write ALL the Psalms of David---
maybe. Muhummad did not write anything at all-------the angel JIBRIL did it
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There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
no one so far has suggested that the wereThere is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
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Egyptians aren't black, more like dirty brown. From what, I don't know.Wrong again-----the idea that the Egyptians were BLACK---not mixed---BLACK---the nubian Pharaohs were black-----the ancient Egyptians were Caucasian.They were actually more asian-----------and then you have that whole Alexander the Great leaving the Ptolemy line in control of Egypt thing----only in the last 1500 years or so did Egypt start to darken up and not achieve anything worth noting.
Humans are like dogs---different breeds that are related. We just call them different races.
The earliest Egyptians were the Anu or Annu people.
Remember that Egypt had some 8 or 9 Nubian Pharaohs. They were definitely black.
Egypt had been invaded at times by Nubians and, of course beings of the same
species INTERBREED, Insisting that the ancient Egyptians were "BLACK" is
a black nationalist thing that became fashionable sometime in the first half of
the 20th century and really a BIGGIE circa 1970's. The "person of color" BS
is a throwback to those perverse and destructive times.
No one is insisting that ancient Egyptians were black. It appears that they were a mixed race people from ancient times.
Person of color is not a 1970s concept.
was VERY PROMINENT in the black nationalist literature in the 60s when I was doing
SOCIOLOGY in undergraduate school. AS to the idiot designation "Person of Color"
its nascence certainly was circa 1970 at a time when people STARTED looking for
any tenuous reason to FIND some "color" in family background. Mixed race is easy
to ascertain GEOGRAPHICALLY------humans INTERACT----the closer they are
geographically, the more MIXED they are. The other factor in Africa and later on Asia and
after that Europe and then the americas is THE SLAVE TRADE-----for at least 5000 years
the arab slavers spread caravans of ABED from the southern part of Africa to more prosperous parts of the world. I should add that I did enough sociology to claim it as a major---but I claimed biology...........the two subjects do "INTERSECT". Some sociologists INSIST that the word
MASRI means "black person"-----and some other interesting configurations of the term
MITZRAIM were bandied about (it's a bunch of sophistry equivalent to the "person of color"
BS )
There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
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There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
I just explained why. Didn't you read it?There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.
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I just explained why. Didn't you read it?There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.
Menetho (sp) wrote about the Expulsion of the Lepers, but that may have been propaganda so I don't put much stock in that.
Most scholars today think the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites. They have found thousands of clay tablets in 5 languages at Ras Shamra which correspond to the tablets found in Sumer and Dilmun. .. all predate the Hebrews.
in fact much of Psalms comes from Ras Shamra poetry.
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- #176
And then there's the presence of Egyptian names among ancient Israelites.
Why not Egyptian names? Egypt ruled Sinai and Canaan.
Sure. So what? I am addressing your silly claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt.And then there's the presence of Egyptian names among ancient Israelites.
Why not Egyptian names? Egypt ruled Sinai and Canaan.
And has nothing whatsoever to do with what we are discussing. Which is your silly claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt.I just explained why. Didn't you read it?There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.
Menetho (sp) wrote about the Expulsion of the Lepers, but that may have been propaganda so I don't put much stock in that.
Most scholars today think the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites. They have found thousands of clay tablets in 5 languages at Ras Shamra which correspond to the tablets found in Sumer and Dilmun. .. all predate the Hebrews.
in fact much of Psalms comes from Ras Shamra poetry.
I haven't even gotten to Ramesses II yet. But let me state again... There's too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred.
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- #179
And has nothing whatsoever to do with what we are discussing. Which is your silly claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt.I just explained why. Didn't you read it?There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.
Menetho (sp) wrote about the Expulsion of the Lepers, but that may have been propaganda so I don't put much stock in that.
Most scholars today think the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites. They have found thousands of clay tablets in 5 languages at Ras Shamra which correspond to the tablets found in Sumer and Dilmun. .. all predate the Hebrews.
in fact much of Psalms comes from Ras Shamra poetry.
I haven't even gotten to Ramesses II yet. But let me state again... There's too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred.
Archaelogists say there is NO evidence that the Jews were a presence in Egypt. Even the Israelis say that Exodus is a myth.
Dr Hawass said Exodus is a myth. David Wolpe was rated by Newsweek as the number 1 pulpit rabbi in America. Below is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on Wolpe dealing with his views on Exodus.
On Passover 2001, Wolpe told his congregation that "the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all."
Today In Religion: David Wolpe
David Wolpe
Go back to Todayinreligion.com David Wolpe Who says you can't get a Jew and an Arab to agree on anything? Here a link to the NY Times artic...
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Archaeology does not deal in certainties. Archaeology deals in probabilities. You are making absolute statements when any archaeologist will tell you that archaeology doesn't deal in absolutes.And has nothing whatsoever to do with what we are discussing. Which is your silly claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt.I just explained why. Didn't you read it?There's too much accurate detail in the textual evidence about ancient Egypt for the texts to be based upon nothing. Merneptah Stele tells us that the Egyptians exaggerated their victories - Israel continues to exists despite the claim that their seed does not. So the exodus would have had to have occurred before that time. The Hyksos were Semitic people who migrated to Egypt during the late middle kingdom and founded the 15th dynasty at the start of the second intermediate period. The Hyksos would rule Egypt for about a century until they were over thrown by the 17th dynasty coming out of Memphis and later expelled from Egypt by the 18th dynasty. The names of the Hyksos rulers were hardly recorded in Egyptian history. So even if the new Pharaoh had known about Joseph his contributions to Egypt would have not been recorded. The Egyptians downplay any reversals in their history and contributions by foreigners. So while there is little information regarding the Hyksos in Egyptian history there are a lot Semitic names recorded among the government ministers. On top of that the Hyksos moved the capital to Avaris in the Nile delta which is near the land of Goshen which was a region the Isralites were said to have settled. Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.There is NO evidence that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele 1206 BCE
Yep.. the Stele identifies them as one of the peoples living in Canaan.
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
Merneptah Stele - Wikipedia
The Merneptah Stele – also known as the Israel Stele or the Victory Stele of Merneptah – is an inscription by the ancient Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah (reign: 1213–1203 BCE) discovered by Flinders Petrie in 1896 at Thebes, and now housed in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo. The text is largely an account of Merneptah's victory over the Libyans and their allies, but the last 3 of the 28 lines deal with a se…
HISTORICAL CONTEXT
The earliest reference to Israel (the people who later in time would be called the Jews) can be dated to 1206 BCE where the term is found in an Egyptian inscription on the Merneptah Stele. In the inscription, the term Israel is used to identify one of the peoples living in the land of Canaan.Hyksos - Wikipedia
Were you thinking the Hyksos were Hebrews? they weren't.
My point of all of this is that your claim that there is no archaeological evidence that the Israelites were ever in Egypt is inaccurate. There was a lot of migration that occurred back then. To and from Egypt. There's just too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred. And I think you have an ax to grind.
Of course, everytime there was famine and drought everyone headed for the Nile Delta.. They walked there and back.
Why are you bringing up the Hyksos? There were apparently highly skilled with bows on horseback and from fast, lightweight chariots.
Historians have postulated that the Israelites were part of the Hyksos expulsion.
Menetho (sp) wrote about the Expulsion of the Lepers, but that may have been propaganda so I don't put much stock in that.
Most scholars today think the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites. They have found thousands of clay tablets in 5 languages at Ras Shamra which correspond to the tablets found in Sumer and Dilmun. .. all predate the Hebrews.
in fact much of Psalms comes from Ras Shamra poetry.
I haven't even gotten to Ramesses II yet. But let me state again... There's too much textually accurate detail for those texts to have been based upon nothing. Something occurred. You are arguing nothing occurred.
Archaelogists say there is NO evidence that the Jews were a presence in Egypt. Even the Israelis say that Exodus is a myth.
Dr Hawass said Exodus is a myth. David Wolpe was rated by Newsweek as the number 1 pulpit rabbi in America. Below is an excerpt from the Wikipedia entry on Wolpe dealing with his views on Exodus.
On Passover 2001, Wolpe told his congregation that "the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way it happened, if it happened at all."
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