Necromancy is calling dead people to actually return to the earth in the present time. Play there as you wish, but I'm not going near it. Before making such an accusation, perhaps call to mind the Transfiguration...and then mind the tongue.
Rather, those in God do not violate the will of God. The idea of God violating himself makes no sense.
Matthew 7:
And here I was earlier this morning musing today at how readily you miss the narrow gate...too frightened to enter in.
You're mixing images. On the one hand, you assure me that extra-Biblical church tradition has authority almost, if not totally, equal with Scripture, or even superior, while on the other, here you are asserting that the path to God is narrow and not many will find it. If you think the path to God REQUIRES Catholic church tradition in addition to the Bible itself, you have a real problem.
The blessings and direction God gave Adam didn’t help Noah build the ark. Noah’s revelations didn’t give Abraham the prophecy to bring the Abraham Covenant to the world. The prophetic Abrahamic Covenant didn’t give Moses the Ten Commandments and bring Israel out of bondage. And Moses didn’t give the world the words of Jesus Christ and the Apostles. The problem with the Catholic Church is tradition is not the process of revelation and prophecy. This instead is the sign of apostasy and no spirit of prophecy. Not that new light and prophecy can’t be given. Nothing in the Bible says that.
Never crossed my mind. Does it seem odd it did cross yours?
I like your angle. It’s not as complete as mine but on the same concept. The only thing is that I’d say the concepts like praying for the dead is doctrine and not tradition.
Of course not, because that came from the Holy Spirit, not a dead ancestor.
If I was there and they showed me where God had commanded it, I would look to understand why He forbade talking with the dead on one hand while commanding it on the other.
Having today's perspective or that day's?
And again with projecting things on me.
I'm not, I'm merely looking to ground everything in Scripture and not man's traditions.
Abraham and Elijah were "dead" ancestors. Peter, James, and John were just men of their present day. If you were in their present day, you would be presenting to them the same points you are presenting to me (where is it in scripture). You would no more accept that the Holy Spirit was upon what them and what they experienced then that you accept that the Holy Spirit is upon my (and others') experiences in your own day. If you call "Necromancy" on me (and others), I am certain you would call "Necromancy" on them.
Again, you change what was actually forbidden and claim something entirely different is forbidden. In the Old Testament it was a medium--through demonic power--who said they could call a person back to earth in physical form to speak to a third party.
Having the perspective of people down through time until Martin Luther, a man in the sixteenth century who through out Biblical books, set up the new tradition of ignoring those who passed on. Why should anyone follow your tradition, one that ignores scripture that Martin Luther--a man of the sixteenth century--dismissed?
A question to you projects nothing. By definition, it is waiting for a response. Now here is a projection: It seems to me that whenever I present a logical "either/or" to you, it makes you uncomfortable and you slip out of it by changing the legitimate question to a "projection".
Starting with Martin Luther's tradition of simply dismissing scripture that addresses praying for those who have passed on?
You're equating the Transfiguration, a unique event in which Yeshua appeared with Moses, NOT Abraham (might want to check into that) with the practice of speaking with the dead? That's pretty sad.
Quote for me the Scripture, preferably from the King James, that "addresses praying for those who have passed on".
It's an invalid question, as I have never intimated that God is not with us when we pray. Why do I have to state such obvious things?
I would like to see the Scripture that Luther "dismissed". And you keep referencing tradition, as if it has the same authority as actual Scripture.
