Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

[Quantrill]

After I put that "Screaming Emojii" at the end of that sentence, I couldn't keep typing, with out moving the emojii. LOL!

Quantril,..... Do You reject Paul stating in Ephesians 2:, 3:, & 4: that the "Gentiles" will be joined to "The Commonwealth of Israel", and that there is only "One Body", & "One Faith"?

I'm asking this cuz' the "False, catholic oriented Teaching", that "Christianity has replaced The Children of Israel", which is Absolutely not Scriptural,...... Holds one back from literally reading the Truth, that is found in both Testaments.

For instance,..... "The Time of Jacob's Trouble" (Jer. 30 falls upon All of the Children of Yisrael, as well as the "Gentiles", meaning that their will not be any "Rapturing up", so as to sit out the "Tribulation".

No, I don't reject what Paul says in the Book of (Ephesians). Give the chapter and verses of your claim and I will explain. But you need to explain first.

I literally read the Scripture. I see no reason not to. Christianity has not replaced Israel in the sense that Israel is now done away. Christianity has replaced Israel as a new Body of believers for the present time, but meant only for the present time. God is not done with Israel.

No. The time of 'Jacob's trouble' is the time of 'Israel's trouble'. Not the Gentiles. It is directed to the Jews, though the world will be affected also. As always is, the case with Israel and the world.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

There will be 12,000 from each tribe except Dan. Joseph will be represented by Joseph (Ephraim) and Manasseh. Rev. 7:4.

It isn't known why Dan is missing from this group but will have a "gate" in new Jerusalem. Interesting is that Manasseh will not have a gate in new Jerusalem, likely because of the shame his people brought on God.

Many commentators, who should know better, erroneously believe that all Israelites were Jews.

Point being....144,000. Not 12,000.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

Because the other tribes (other than Judah) gave up the identifying sign that they are God's Chosen

And yet God reconciled them to himself through Jesus Christ.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sorry about that "Smiley Face" in My Post #36, It's not meant to be there, & unless I'm missing something, I can't edit it outa there.

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Revelation is confusing, and even conflicting with other "Canonized", & "Un-Canonized" Works. Matter of Fact, Martin Luther "The Father of the Reformation" didn't want to include the Book of Revelation in his Translation, but he was made to by his German Protectors.

Joseph itself was not a tribe, and it speaks of the Two Tribes of Manasseh, & Ephraim.

It's True that Dan is not listed, & yet, Rev.21:10-12 states that the Twelve Tribes will be present.

And No Where is it written that the tribe of Dan will be excluded from The Kingdom of Heaven.

Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, as if it were a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

Dan was/is excluded from the 144,000 but will be reconciled later.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sorry about that "Smiley Face" in My Post #36, It's not meant to be there, & unless I'm missing something, I can't edit it outa there.

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Revelation is confusing, and even conflicting with other "Canonized", & "Un-Canonized" Works. Matter of Fact, Martin Luther "The Father of the Reformation" didn't want to include the Book of Revelation in his Translation, but he was made to by his German Protectors.

Joseph itself was not a tribe, and it speaks of the Two Tribes of Manasseh, & Ephraim.

It's True that Dan is not listed, & yet, Rev.21:10-12 states that the Twelve Tribes will be present.

And No Where is it written that the tribe of Dan will be excluded from The Kingdom of Heaven.

Rev 21:10 He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, as if it were a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 having a great and high wall; having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

Luther didn't much care for the book/letter of James either.

 

[Woodznutz]

That is Absolutely True Carl!

The Ten Tribes of the "House of Israel" (Yisrael), have not only lost their Identity, but they are not even now located in in Israel (Yisrael).

As far as the the three Tribes of the "House of Judah" (Yudah),.... The "Jews",.... The Majority of their Political & Religious Leaders Falsely proclaim that they are All of Yisrael.

The ten "lost" tribes carried the name of Israel, Judah did not. Modern day "Israel" is a misnomer and should still be called "Judah". The only reason Israel is 'lost' is that few are looking for him and most are happy that he (Israel) is lost. However, God knows exactly where Israel is and always has.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, I don't reject what Paul says in the Book of (Ephesians). Give the chapter and verses of your claim and I will explain. But you need to explain first.

I literally read the Scripture. I see no reason not to. Christianity has not replaced Israel in the sense that Israel is now done away. Christianity has replaced Israel as a new Body of believers for the present time, but meant only for the present time. God is not done with Israel.

No. The time of 'Jacob's trouble' is the time of 'Israel's trouble'. Not the Gentiles. It is directed to the Jews, though the world will be affected also. As always is, the case with Israel and the world.

Quantrill

Jesus called the church out of the descendants of Israel.

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." He stopped in Judah just long enough to be rejected by them.

"He came to his own and his own received him not."

 

[Woodznutz]

Point being....144,000. Not 12,000.

Quantrill

The main point is that Judaism will be a thing of the past.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And yet God reconciled them to himself through Jesus Christ.

Ami don't know what that means. Salvation is an individual thing. Were going through the Tribulation because the NationS of Israel hav rejected God

 

[Woodznutz]

Ami don't know what that means. Salvation is an individual thing. Were going through the Tribulation because the NationS of Israel hav rejected God

I think "as in the days of Noah" is appropriate here. Recall that God will shorten those days for the elect's sake. If Christ is going to marry the church it's also a group thing in the end.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I think "as in the days of Noah" is appropriate here. Recall that God will shorten those days for the elect's sake. If Christ is going to marry the church it's also a group thing in the end.

It'll be thru the Time of Jacob's Trouble that Israel and the Jews will come to repentance.
Theres a reason we're being taken over by Turd World barbarians.
We are in the Time of the Gentiles right now and it is because of our sins and our rejection of God.
But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened includes the. Church, Israel, and Judah

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus called the church out of the descendants of Israel.

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." He stopped in Judah just long enough to be rejected by them.

"He came to his own and his own received him not."

At the beginning the Church is certainly out of Israel, but it would be directed toward the Gentiles. (Gen. 12:3) "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

(Is. 49:6) "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

(Acts 13:47) "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."

Jesus was sent to the lost in Israel to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as promised in the Old Testament. But Gentiles were always to be part of the Kingdom also. Abraham was a Gentile. Ruth, David's grandmother was a Gentile. Rahab was a Gentile. etc. etc.

Just because Jesus was rejected by Israel, didn't change the promises under the Abrahamic covenant. (Jer. 31:35-37) "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, The LORD of host is his name.

"If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being an nation before me for ever.

"Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD."

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

The main point is that Judaism will be a thing of the past.

See post #(52).

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

At the beginning the Church is certainly out of Israel, but it would be directed toward the Gentiles. (Gen. 12:3) "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

(Is. 49:6) "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth."

(Acts 13:47) "For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth."

Jesus was sent to the lost in Israel to establish the Kingdom of God on earth as promised in the Old Testament. But Gentiles were always to be part of the Kingdom also. Abraham was a Gentile. Ruth, David's grandmother was a Gentile. Rahab was a Gentile. etc. etc.

Just because Jesus was rejected by Israel, didn't change the promises under the Abrahamic covenant. (Jer. 31:35-37) "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar, The LORD of host is his name.

"If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being an nation before me for ever.

"Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD."

Quantrill

That's the meaning of the two annual harvests. The spring harvest of barley represents the church. The later and greater wheat harvest represents the gentiles.

 

[Woodznutz]

See post #(52).

Quantrill

Judaism is based on the OT laws and the Jewish "oral tradition'. Both will end for the Jews when Jesus returns.

 

[Quantrill]

That's the meaning of the two annual harvests. The spring harvest of barley represents the church. The later and greater wheat harvest represents the gentiles.

No, that's the meaning that God has a plan for the Gentiles, the Church, and Israel. And that God has not and will not do away with Israel. If He did, (Jer. 31:35-37) is a lie.

As I have said, if one is mistaken in the doctrine of the Church and Israel and the Second Coming, and the Tribulation, he will be mistaken in his understanding and view of the Rapture.

Simple one line statements prove nothing. It is a time consuming study of the Bible.

Quantrill

 

[toobfreak]

It happens on the last day. Immediately after the tribulation, just as the bible says.

I like your avatar with the girl looking up at the stars.

 

[Quantrill]

Judaism is based on the OT laws and the Jewish "oral tradition'. Both will end for the Jews when Jesus returns.

The Mosaic law has already ended. (Eph., 2:15) "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace."

When Jesus returns He will set up the Kingdom and Israel as the leading nation. And Israel will be under the Law of the Kingdom , which is the Sermon on the Mount found in (Matt. 5-7). Which is more strict than the Mosaic Law.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

No, that's the meaning that God has a plan for the Gentiles, the Church, and Israel. And that God has not and will not do away with Israel. If He did, (Jer. 31:35-37) is a lie.

As I have said, if one is mistaken in the doctrine of the Church and Israel and the Second Coming, and the Tribulation, he will be mistaken in his understanding and view of the Rapture.

Simple one line statements prove nothing. It is a time consuming study of the Bible.

Quantrill

I haven't offered an opinion on the rapture. If I do it will be biblical. My one-line statements are clearly understood by many who know their Bibles.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Mosaic law has already ended. (Eph., 2:15) "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace."

When Jesus returns He will set up the Kingdom and Israel as the leading nation. And Israel will be under the Law of the Kingdom , which is the Sermon on the Mount found in (Matt. 5-7). Which is more strict than the Mosaic Law.

Quantrill

The Jews still follow the Mosaic law.