Zone1 Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?

[Quantrill]

The "Jews" are One Tribe, &/or One "House" made up of 3 tribes being Judah (Yudah), Benjamin (Benyahmin), & Levi.

The "Jews" are a very small part of the remainder of "The Children of Israel(Yisrael).

See (Rev. 7:4-8) (Rev. 14:1)

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[Quantrill]

No,... All of the Believing Children of Israel (Yisreal), joined by the Believing Gentiles, is The "Church/Assembly/Quhal".

At this time all the believing, Jew and Gentile make up the new body, the Church.

But only until the fulness of the Gentiles is accomplished. (Rom. 11:25) "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

In other words, God is not finished with national Israel. And the Church is not Israel. When God has accomplished what He wants with the Church, He takes her out of here and begins working with the national body of Israel. Which is the Rapture. Which initiates the Tribulation period, the 'Time of Jacobs (Israel) trouble'. The last week of Daniels 70 week prophecy. (Dan. 9:20-27)

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[Carl in Michigan]

That's Largely True, but, The "Tribulation"/ "Time of Yacob's Trouble"/ "Time of Trouble", ofd which all three are the samne event, will also fall upon all of Mankind.
It will Test The Believers for their Faith, & It will bring UnBelievers in to accepting The Messiah.

No, the Time of JACOB'S Trouble is the time of JACOB'S Trouble

Then I'm omes The Day of the Lord. It is GOD'S retribution for the Worlds war against JACOB and His Church

 

[Woodznutz]

Greetings Woodznutz, Israel is present Today,..... They've just lost their Identity, & Don't know who they are, nor does the World.

A Clue of who Ephraim, & Manasseh are, are can be found in Genesis 48:8-22, & both have largely received those promises.

Lots written about the U.S. and Great Britain in that regard. However, "British Israelism" is not accepted by mainstream Christianity regardless of overwhelming evidence.

 

[Woodznutz]

Maybe,.... But where else in the Scriptures be they "Canonized/Un-Canonized" is written about Dan's Exclusion, & eventual reconciliation?

It is thought that Dan become apostate (Catholic Ireland).

 

[Woodznutz]

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

The commandments aren't the "Mosaic" law.

How so Woodznutz?

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, not the religion of God and Jesus Christ.

 

[DennisPTate]

The commandments aren't the "Mosaic" law.

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, not the religion of God and Jesus Christ.

I have ran into evidence that would connect the historical John the Baptist and Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus to the Essene Jewish Community. From what I have read so far I believe that the Breslovian Chassidic Jewish Community of 2025 might be most like the historical Essenes than any other branch of Judaism.

I must admit that Breslovian Chassidic Jews are different from a majority of religious Israelis or religious Jews in the diaspora worldwide.

I have to admit that a powerful case can be presented that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus is totally Jewish but, His turning heaven into a place where there is zero divisions over religion might tend to offend many Orthodox Jews?

Near death experiencers are reporting that in the "paradise or heaven" that they glimpsed there was no divisions based on religion. That would be a hard one for many of us to even begin to comprehend or agree is possible?


Robert Marshall is one rather important near death experiencer who reported that there were zero divisions based on religion in the heaven that he saw for forty four hours.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

That the Church is composed of both Jew and Gentile, yes. That doesn't make the Gentile in the Church Jews.

(Eph. 2:11-16) (Eph. 3:3-6)

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Quantril,....... Are the "Jews", in Your Belief,... All of the children of Yisrael(Israel)?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

That the Church is composed of both Jew and Gentile, yes. That doesn't make the Gentile in the Church Jews.

(Eph. 2:11-16) (Eph. 3:3-6)

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Why do You persist in speaking of the "Jew" only,..... Per many Scriptures, it is the Israelite, not just the "Jew".

All 13 Physical Tribes, of The Children of Isreal/Yisrael, will be represented in The Kingdom of Heaven.

Not just the "Jews".

And Ya'll, we are straying away from My Original Topic.

"Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?"

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

See (Rev. 7:4-8) (Rev. 14:1)

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What's Your Point?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

At this time all the believing, Jew and Gentile make up the new body, the Church.

But only until the fulness of the Gentiles is accomplished. (Rom. 11:25) "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."

In other words, God is not finished with national Israel. And the Church is not Israel. When God has accomplished what He wants with the Church, He takes her out of here and begins working with the national body of Israel. Which is the Rapture. Which initiates the Tribulation period, the 'Time of Jacobs (Israel) trouble'. The last week of Daniels 70 week prophecy. (Dan. 9:20-27)

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"At this time all the believing, Jew and Gentile make up the new body, the Church."

You left out the House of Yisrael/Israel,..... And YAHWEH, isn't finished with either Houses", nor The Gentiles.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The commandments aren't the "Mosaic" law.

Judaism is the religion of the Jews, not the religion of God and Jesus Christ.

Woodznutz, what would that "Religion" be. And it has to observe The Ten Commandments Covenant, per The Messiah, & The Prophets.

 

[DennisPTate]

Why do You persist in speaking of the "Jew" only,..... Per many Scriptures, it is the Israelite, not just the "Jew".

All 13 Physical Tribes, of The Children of Isreal/Yisrael, will be represented in The Kingdom of Heaven.

Not just the "Jews".

And Ya'll, we are straying away from My Original Topic.

"Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?"

Actually there is an interesting tradition within Judaism in an Orthodox or Chassidic marriage that would hint at the "Bride" being caught up with her "Husband" even before the Tribulation. This might be hinted at in the Song of Solomon and in a few scriptures, but it is not taught clearly. A near death experiencer was shown something about this event though that I personally did find to be impressive.

[Dr. Richard Eby ] :

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Jesus replied: “Yes, my son! Didn’t you read in my book that I would go to prepare a PLACE – not a commune, nor a kibbutz; not a tenement nor a tract house? It would be a place fit for providing the abundant joys and fulfilled dreams and talents of each child, as a new creature, My joint heir! Each person is unlike any other, except that I am in each one, perfecting, teaching, sanctifying. Each of their abodes reflects the perfection of the purposes and promises for which I prepare my people and places!

“I know my sheep, just as they know my voice. I made them. Heaven is so large that I have unlimited space for each one’s paradise, a place of his own. This is just a tiny portion of heaven. I have limitless plans. I think of paradise as my sheepfold; I am its gate!

“This is your paradise. It is what you could not fashion for yourself, so I did it for you. That was my promise. It is your temporary abode for now!”
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He paused as though the joy of that thought had overwhelmed him for the moment.

“My Father assures me that the time is yet a little while, but very little. Soon he will call those already in paradise to surround me as we descend from this third heaven to the first heaven around the Earth. The souls of all my saints will be instantly clothed in their new resurrection bodies, as will the living saints on Earth who rise to us in the glory cloud! At the sounding trumpet they all receive new bodies and rise to meet us in the air. We return as my body to my throne room with the Father. Now do you understand why I called this place a temporary abiding place? Do you grasp what it will mean to be one with me and the Father in your incorruptible bodies? My book states that I assumed mankind’s sin so you ‘might be made the righteousness of God’ in me!”

I can clearly recall how Jesus’ voice paused at this moment. He was savoring an anticipation too intense and private to be revealed. Was he pre-living that moment at which he would enjoy the victory which his Father would give him as the eternal reward for his own long-suffering? His own sting of death would be swallowed up, and he would be the omniscient Head of a completed and compliant body for whom he had shed his blood on a terrible cross. He would reign as KING of the Jews after these days of grace. Then his thoughts returned to me.

“My son, when that time has come, my Father will call to me. The applause of the heavenly hosts will be deafening; they too have been awaiting that day, ever since they announced my birth to the shepherds at Bethlehem so long ago. Scoffers will gaze with fear and wonder as my angelic hosts watch me fulfill my promise to my earthly body of believers at my soon return to Earth.

“My book records the many signs which will precede my coming for my family. I tried to explain those events to my disciples, very carefully. I promised them that I was leaving my Holy Spirit as a comforter to instruct them as they studied my word, and to tell them of the things to come. I want my children to be informed about our plans in advance. I want them to be filled with my joy. After all, they are mine: I created them and bought them back from satanic slavery. I told them that I would come for them so that we could be together forever. My Father wants them all to believe Me.”

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So in a way the most powerful evidence in The Bible for some sort of rapture might just be 2 Corinthians 12 that seems to hint that a near death experience could perhaps be a genuine encounter with Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in His resurrected and glorified body:

2. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3;And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4;How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[Quantrill]

Quantril,....... Are the "Jews", in Your Belief,... All of the children of Yisrael(Israel)?

No. (Rom. 9:6) "...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"

Why do You persist in speaking of the "Jew" only,..... Per many Scriptures, it is the Israelite, not just the "Jew".

All 13 Physical Tribes, of The Children of Isreal/Yisrael, will be represented in The Kingdom of Heaven.

Not just the "Jews".

And Ya'll, we are straying away from My Original Topic.

"Where in The Bible does it state that "Christians" will be "Raptured Up" before The Tribulation?"

The term Jew is at times used interchangeably with the term Israelite. (Rom. 3:1-2) "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God."

(Acts 21:39) "But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus...."

(Rom. 11:1) "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."

Of course all tribes of Israel will be represented in the Kingdom. I have not indicated otherwise.

Well, I think it is important to identify who 'Israel' is in order to understand the Rapture.

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[Quantrill]

What's Your Point?

My point is that the 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. (Rev. 7:4-8) "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel....."

See also (Rev. 14:1)

"At this time all the believing, Jew and Gentile make up the new body, the Church."

You left out the House of Yisrael/Israel,..... And YAHWEH, isn't finished with either Houses", nor The Gentiles.

No I didn't. See post #(94). The Church is not just composed of Israelites from Judah and Gentiles. It is composed of any believing Jews (Israelites) from any tribe and believing Gentiles.

God is not finished with the nation of Israel, true. But the Church and Israel are not the same body of believers. And God is not performing His work with them at the same time on earth. Right now believing Jews (Israelites) are part of the Church, though they be the remnant from Israel. (Rom. 11:5) "Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace."

The Tribulation period has nothing to do with the Church. It is the time of 'Jacobs (Israel's) trouble'. The last 7 years of Daniels 70 week prophecy. (Dan. 9) It is God finishing His work with Israel. Thus the Church is removed before it starts, and most likely initiates the beginning of the Tribulation.

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[Calgon]

Do you have a specific quote or assertion from someone?

 

[Hafar1014]

No, I don't reject what Paul says in the Book of (Ephesians). Give the chapter and verses of your claim and I will explain. But you need to explain first.

I literally read the Scripture. I see no reason not to. Christianity has not replaced Israel in the sense that Israel is now done away. Christianity has replaced Israel as a new Body of believers for the present time, but meant only for the present time. God is not done with Israel.

No. The time of 'Jacob's trouble' is the time of 'Israel's trouble'. Not the Gentiles. It is directed to the Jews, though the world will be affected also. As always is, the case with Israel and the world.

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Replaced Israel? God these people are dumb

 

[Quantrill]

Replaced Israel? God these people are dumb

What people are dumb?

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[Woodznutz]

Woodznutz, what would that "Religion" be. And it has to observe The Ten Commandments Covenant, per The Messiah, & The Prophets.

The Jewish religion is a mashup of the commandments, judgements, statutes, and the Jewish oral tradition.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

No. (Rom. 9:6) "...For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"
The term Jew is at times used interchangeably with the term Israelite. (Rom. 3:1-2) "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God."
(Acts 21:39) "But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus...."
(Rom. 11:1) "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin."
Of course all tribes of Israel will be represented in the Kingdom. I have not indicated otherwise.
Well, I think it is important to identify who 'Israel' is in order to understand the Rapture.
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