Zone1 Where Does God, Anywhere, Endorse the Homosexual Lifestyle?

[Dadoalex]

That’s what we call really bad logic. Something you should have learned in geometry in high school. But you were too busy feeding your new reprobate mind so that you could justify unnatural sin. Now it seems natural to you when it isn’t as shown in your illogical statements. Everyone decided before being born to obey God’s commandments and be straight.

It's your logic little one.

"To be more specific, we all existed in heaven before we came to earth. We covenanted to multiply and replenish the earth and to obey His commandments given while we are on earth. So, we chose before we came."

According to you all of us made the choice in heaven before we were born to be straight or gay.

Now since you make the claim asking your basis for a decision you say you made and whether you're happy with that decision is certainly fair game.

Based on the conversation I'd guess peer pressure and no.

 

[Dadoalex]

The percentage of LGBTQ+ in the population has been vastly overestimated and that community continually pushes higher percentage. Scientifically, it is about 3.5%. That still may be too frequently to be random?

I don't think that is accurate.
First, lots of people are closeted.
And not everyone out, is all the way out

Rise in LGBTQ+ Population Slows - Lifeway Research

According to the latest Gallup survey, the rise in the percentage of Americans who identify as LGBTQ+ leveled out in 2022.

research.lifeway.com

LGBTQ+ identification is higher among younger generations. Almost 1 in 5 adult members of Generation Z, those born between 1997 and 2004, identify in that way (19.7%), with the overwhelming majority claiming to be bisexual (13.1%). More than 1 in 10 millennials (11.2%) say they are LGBTQ+. Among older generations, the percentages are much smaller—3.3% of Generation X, 2.7% of baby boomers, and 1.7% of the silent generation.

Based on my own familial experience the number is probably around 20% of people are LGBTQ+.

Most people my age (late 60s) would never admit (hate the implication of the word) to not being straight. No matter the reality. Peer pressure.
I also think many of those claiming LGBTQ+ status are responding to a form of peer pressure.
But as we ask younger and younger people the % increases I think because the negative peer pressure has decreased.

 

[Cougarbear]

It's your logic little one.

"To be more specific, we all existed in heaven before we came to earth. We covenanted to multiply and replenish the earth and to obey His commandments given while we are on earth. So, we chose before we came."

According to you all of us made the choice in heaven before we were born to be straight or gay.

Now since you make the claim asking your basis for a decision you say you made and whether you're happy with that decision is certainly fair game.

Based on the conversation I'd guess peer pressure and no.

Please stop mistaking what I write. I was very clear that those who chose to go against Father in Heaven’s plan never got to earth with a physical earthly body. They were sent in the earth as spirit devils never to receive an earthly physical body. Anyone in the pre-earth life who said they would defy God’s commandments against homosexuality and transsexual behavior never made it here as a human. Clear enough?

 

[Dadoalex]

For those who rejected God’s plans in our pre-earth life, they were cast out with Lucifer for rebellion. One-third if our brothers and sisters never to receive a body and grace from the Lord sent here to whisper evil things to your mind and test you. We are now being tested for our next stage of God’s plan of evolution to become as he is, exalted and receive all that he has. Our faith is being tested again only not in the presence of the Godhead. It’s all about using faith to recognize the Gospel truth so we can progress beyond our death. A third suffered spiritual death before coming to earth and some are suffering spiritual death by bad choices here on earth. Repentance is the only way to overcome sin and evolve in the afterlife. Reprobate minds make that very difficult to do. But, with Christ it can be overcome.

So you're saying God is a moron?
These beings refuse to follow "his law" so he creates them anyway to bring sin to his world?

As Robin would say

"Wholly Unbelievable Crap, Batman!"

 

[Cougarbear]

So you're saying God is a moron?
These beings refuse to follow "his law" so he creates them anyway to bring sin to his world?

As Robin would say

"Wholly Unbelievable Crap, Batman!"

No. You are apparently a moron and unable to read.

 

[tahuyaman]

Hmmm isn't that what you're doing?
BUT
I'm not forcing you to accept it
Just as I am not trying to force a religion on you, harumph!
But when you claim your fantasy "god" as a defense for your fear
and use that fear to harm others
Then, morally, I must speak up.

Isn't that what Jesus would do?

No. why do you think you know what Jesus would do?

 

[tahuyaman]

Excluding Christians, Republicans, and MAGADUMIANS then.

That was pretty stupid. Try again.

 

[Cougarbear]

No. why do you think you know what Jesus would do?

Same old responses. Don’t you have anything new?
Alright, your LGBTQ movement is attempting to force your perversions on us in many ways like Democrats attempting to legislate against religious speech for righteousness and against perversion. Democrats attempting to obstruct parents deciding how to raise their children. Preventing parents to stop child abuse with government and perverse doctors mutulating children. And Jesus has spoken out against harming children by abuse.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Where Does God, Anywhere, Endorse the Homosexual Lifestyle?​

What god? Whose god?

We can start from there.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

That was pretty stupid. Try again.

 

[tahuyaman]

What’s the problem with the slogan Make America Great Again?

 

[tahuyaman]

What god? Whose god?

We can start from there.

Just god.

 

[tahuyaman]

Same old responses. Don’t you have anything new?
Alright, your LGBTQ movement is attempting to force your perversions on us in many ways like Democrats attempting to legislate against religious speech for righteousness and against perversion. Democrats attempting to obstruct parents deciding how to raise their children. Preventing parents to stop child abuse with government and perverse doctors mutulating children. And Jesus has spoken out against harming children by abuse.

Ok what makes you think you know what Jesus would do? When have I ever supported harming children or the LGBTQ movement , you imbecile ?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Just god.

People don't agree on/with 'god' the minute one asks the two very simple, clarifying questions I did:
What god? Whose god?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

What’s the problem with the slogan Make America Great Again?

The post is about the term 'Magadonians' and people who believe America is a great country are repulsed by pathetic populist bullcrap.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Ok what makes you think you know what Jesus would do? When have I ever supported harming children or the LGBTQ movement , you imbecile ?

If Jesus did not disown hiw own Judaic Bible, then he too was a monster. Just read what the old HEbrews celebrated .. slaughtering men, women, children, and bathing on teh bllod running through te streets. But hey, their god had to get a place of his own.

 

[norwegen]

What god? Whose god?

We can start from there.

He did start from there. Did you not read the OP?

He capitalized the name God, and he called him the Israel God.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

He did start from there. Did you not read the OP?

He capitalized the name God, and he called him the Israel God.

Reading is funda

never mind

carry on

you don't get it.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

He doesn't. There is only condemnation and followers of Israel God are COMMANDED to avoid anything outside of male/female marriage

• The argument that Jesus said nothing about homosexuality in the gospels is misleading and illogical for at least five reasons:

1. The gospels are not more authoritative than those books of the Bible that condemn homosexual behavior. All authors of Scripture were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit.7
2. The gospels are not comprehensive. Some of the Bible’s most important teachings—the explanation of spiritual gifts, the Priesthood of Christ, the doctrine of man’s old and new nature—appear in other books of the Bible.
3. The gospels do not claim to be a complete account of Jesus’ life or teachings. Sections of Jesus’ life are not discussed in the gospels and we cannot be certain that Jesus never spoke about homosexual behavior.
4. Scripture teaches that Jesus kept all the Law and affirmed all that the Law and the Prophets taught.8Undoubtedly, this would have included the affirmation of committed, monogamous male-female marriage and an unwavering condemnation of homosexual behavior. Given that all first century orthodox Jews would have held to this standard, the question of affirming homosexuality would not have been open to discussion in Jesus’ day.
5. Jesus clearly referred to heterosexuality as a standard. He specifically described God’s created intent for human sexuality: “

Let's play cafeteria style faithful. And then we can graduate to cafeteria style apologists.

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Does the Bible really say that parents should have their rebellious children stoned? isn’t the death penalty for a rebellious child brutally harsh?

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Is there a biblical instruction to stone rebellious children? Does the Mosaic Law really say that rebellious children should be killed?

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[TruthNotBS]

I don't think that is accurate.
First, lots of people are closeted.
And not everyone out, is all the way out

Rise in LGBTQ+ Population Slows - Lifeway Research

According to the latest Gallup survey, the rise in the percentage of Americans who identify as LGBTQ+ leveled out in 2022.

research.lifeway.com

LGBTQ+ identification is higher among younger generations. Almost 1 in 5 adult members of Generation Z, those born between 1997 and 2004, identify in that way (19.7%), with the overwhelming majority claiming to be bisexual (13.1%). More than 1 in 10 millennials (11.2%) say they are LGBTQ+. Among older generations, the percentages are much smaller—3.3% of Generation X, 2.7% of baby boomers, and 1.7% of the silent generation.

Based on my own familial experience the number is probably around 20% of people are LGBTQ+.

Most people my age (late 60s) would never admit (hate the implication of the word) to not being straight. No matter the reality. Peer pressure.
I also think many of those claiming LGBTQ+ status are responding to a form of peer pressure.
But as we ask younger and younger people the % increases I think because the negative peer pressure has decreased.

Add the porn, lack of good parenting, the "straight shaming" and pooping of the "wokeness" culture that these young people are living in, and that all contribute to the loss of self-control and sexual depravities. We're living in an extremely sexually sick and perverted society. All of that leads to a 20% homosexual orientation rate.

Due to Christendom being composed mostly of disobedient, fake disciples of Christ, it must suffer along with the wicked. So if the children of the vile and worldly are conditioned from childhood to be wicked, the children of "Christians" are also raised to be corrupt. If there's an economic collapse, the supposed Christians or the earthly body of Jesus Christ, is also deprived and in scarcity, unable to bear witness to a fallen world, of the light of love, truth, purity, and abundance that shines in God's Kingdom. Most "Christians" refuse to live as Christ commanded His disciples to live in this fallen world:

Act 2:42-47 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and the prayers. (43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (45) and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need. (46) And day by day, continuing stedfastly with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread at home, they took their food with gladness and singleness of heart, (47) praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to them day by day those that were saved.

Act 4:32-37 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and soul: and not one of them said that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. (33) And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. (34) For neither was there among them any that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, (35) and laid them at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto each, according as any one had need. (36) And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas (which is, being interpreted, Son of exhortation), a Levite, a man of Cyprus by race, (37) having a field, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Joh 17:21-23 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me. (22) And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be one, even as we are one; (23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.

Joh_15:17 These things I command you, that ye may love one another.

Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you.
Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Joh_15:9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Mar 10:28-31 Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee. (29) Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or mother, or father, or children, or lands, for my sake, and for the gospel's sake, (30) but he shall receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. (31) But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

Luk 14:25-27 Now there went with him great multitudes: and he turned, and said unto them, (26) If any man cometh unto me, and hateth not his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (27) Whosoever doth not bear his own cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. (23) For the life is more than the food, and the body than the raiment. (24) Consider the ravens, that they sow not, neither reap; which have no store-chamber nor barn; and God feedeth them: of how much more value are ye than the birds! (25) And which of you by being anxious can add a cubit unto the measure of his life? (26) If then ye are not able to do even that which is least, why are ye anxious concerning the rest? (27) Consider the lilies, how they grow: they toil not, neither do they spin; yet I say unto you, Even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. (28) But if God doth so clothe the grass in the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven; how much more shall he clothe you, O ye of little faith? (29) And seek not ye what ye shall eat, and what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. (30) For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: but your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. (31) Yet seek ye his kingdom, and these things shall be added unto you. (32) Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. (33) Sell that which ye have, and give alms; make for yourselves purses which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief draweth near, neither moth destroyeth. (34) For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Mat 25:41-46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels: (42) for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; (43) I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. (44) Then shall they also answer, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? (45) Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not unto one of these least, ye did it not unto me. (46) And these shall go away into eternal punishment: but the righteous into eternal life.

Luk 14:34 Salt therefore is good: but if even the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
Luk 14:35 It is fit neither for the land nor for the dunghill: men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

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These are just a few of the many passages in the NT, that indicate that one of the primary tests of a true disciple of Jesus Christ, is his or her willingness to place everything at the foot of the cross. In other words, one's willingness to love his or her brother and sister to the point of laying it all down before their feet. The body of Jesus today here on earth is His church. The assembly of disciples who obey his commandments and live as He and His 12 apostles lived. The reason that Christians suffer all of the plagues and catastrophes of the world, is because they refuse to obey Jesus and His 12 apostles when it comes to economics and lifestyle.

The true disciples of Jesus Christ, build the Kingdom of YHWH, here on earth, providing a light to the nations. Their children aren't transgender, they don't have a 20% "gay rate" among their members, they don't need to wear a mask in the middle of a deadly pandemic in their worship services or daily lives, because they live together, and only leave their colonies (land, homes, facilities..etc), when they go on a mission-outreach to share the gospel, or they're on some type of official business trip on behalf of the church, or driving a truck, transporting goods from one colony to another, requiring a driver to stop to get fuel, maybe eat.

The children of YHWH, His disciples, and people are protected from all worldly disasters, with very few exceptions. With today's technology, the disciples can live in a very well-supplied and productive society, with a modern infrastructure, with its own off-grid electricity and water, medical facilities, factories, and mines.You name it. The world goes to poop, but the disciples of Jesus Christ live in YHWH's Kingdom, rather than under the devil's demonic system, providing that fallen world with a powerful testimony of the distinction between satanic culture and a divinely designed, Christ-Centered Culture.

That's why Jesus said:

Joh 17:21-23 (22) ...that they may be one, even as we are one; (23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.

That the world may know that Christ has been sent and that YHWH loves His people. This satanic world will see the genuine Christians, the true disciples of Jesus Christ, living well, fully provisioned, without all of the problems that are plaguing them, in their secular, hedonistic, consumeristic, carnal society. In a way, Christians are supposed to live in a better world, that attracts those who are lost in Satan's kingdom. Church was never a building or a place you go to, to worship once a week or twice a week. The earthly body of Jesus Christ is a community of believers who obey Him and live out their lives in this world, together, as one.

Satan created Marxism as a perversion of the original, divine, angelic "communism". Evil communism, is godless, without the Holy Spirit, and the love of Christ. It's a demonic "utopia", but that's not what the body of Jesus is. It's rather similar to Noah's Ark. The Ark wasn't perfect, but it did the job. It saved Noah and his family, including all of the animals that were being cared for. The body of Jesus is a type of "Noah's Ark", and it's also YHWH's Tabernacle. His people are His Temple.

True born-again, spirit-filled Christians, yearn to be in each other's company, all of the time. It also develops our ability to forgive and overcome, because sooner or later, we'll be offended. Living in a tight-knit community, of believers, doesn't imply that you'll always get along with everyone and no one is going to offend you. Say or do something stupid. It's a test, allowing you to develop your character and overcome your bad temper, and bad habits. You're among your brethren in Christ. You live and work, with your brothers and sisters.

Unfortunately, "Christianity" today, amounts to a "belief system" without a way of life. Christianity was never supposed to be lived by a bunch of "lone rangers", pursuing their own personal agendas and interests. The "me, myself and I" doesn't fly in Christ's Kingdom. After the trait of martyrdom, being willing to die for the gospel, there's the attribute of detachment from one's worldly possessions and agenda.

That doesn't imply that you can't own personal property like the clothing that you wear or your toothbrush or Bible. You can own a smartphone or computer, in your apartment, but that computer and phone will have to be used within the rules of the community, which requires that all connections to the internet are filtered, to protect the brethren from porn. Phones and computers are checked without notice, a few times monthly, by brothers and sisters appointed to do that. If a person searches for porn, the community will be alerted. A Christian community can be generous, but we need to protect our community from worldly, demonic trash.

That's just an example, of how a Christian community functions in this fallen world. The church is not a weekly club, with nice programs for the kids. It was an actual body of believers sharing their lives together, as one mind and soul. Living and working together, holding all private property (lands, businesses, vehicles, machinery), in common. Christians living together as a family is what brings the world to Christ, convincing them that Jesus is real. The love that Christians have for one another, is lived in a real, tangible way.