When the Collapse Comes...

[JimBowie1958]

Sure. When you train with it over and over, you gain confidence and don't have to rely on anecdotes and



Which may be why the distribution hubs are located in airports and the docks can be converted to sally ports (psst...most of ours already are).



Is that when Jesus returns? I'm confused.




To bank on survival and forming a bunch of untrained folks into a cohesive unit capable of doing anything other than defending a track of nothingness in the middle of nowhere may be equally insane.

I will say this. Those pine trees are yours...you've planned well and prepped for them. Enjoy them I suppose. I surrender...you have the trees....yipee!!

Obviously the possibility of another solar storm, like the Carrington Event, is beyond what can be accepted by your mind, so you ignore it or attempt to ridicule it. News flash: It has already happened. And it can happen again. But you prefer to remark with some ignorance about Jesus returning. lol

And yes, I will bank on a group of determined people to take care of themselves. And that nothingness has fish, game, and edible foliage available for those who know how to gather it. My pine forests will feed and shelter me.

You will have to contend with massive hordes of scared, desperate people willing to fight for a scrap of food. I will be miles and miles from any such crowds.

I like my chances of survival better than yours.

At least I am willing to look at realistic situations.

Realistic solutions?

You have one nut job prepper talking about sawing off limbs. .

Bullshit, you damned liar.

What post would that have been, fuckface?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Candy's problem is that (for whatever reason) she is convinced she has been well trained. She has only been trained to deal with relatively minor events of short duration but-since she is well trained-they are the only type of events worthy of consideration. She has a mind like a steel trap: rusted shut.

Our society is more fragile that it has ever been because the population is the most specialized. What does your average advertising exec. know about growing and preparing vegetables? Or obtaining, slaughtering, butchering, and preparing meat for the table? Or cooking, or finding or sanitizing safe water? Making and maintaining fire or shelter or any of the other items and tools necessary for survival? When other people are no longer doing these things for him is he any less helpless than a newborn baby? Or any more helpful to others?

 

[candycorn]

Obviously the possibility of another solar storm, like the Carrington Event, is beyond what can be accepted by your mind, so you ignore it or attempt to ridicule it. News flash: It has already happened. And it can happen again. But you prefer to remark with some ignorance about Jesus returning. lol

And yes, I will bank on a group of determined people to take care of themselves. And that nothingness has fish, game, and edible foliage available for those who know how to gather it. My pine forests will feed and shelter me.

You will have to contend with massive hordes of scared, desperate people willing to fight for a scrap of food. I will be miles and miles from any such crowds.

I like my chances of survival better than yours.

At least I am willing to look at realistic situations.

Realistic solutions?

You have one nut job prepper talking about sawing off limbs. .

Bullshit, you damned liar.

What post would that have been, fuckface?

and yeah , just from 64 years of life experience I know how much a Doctor and drugs are needed and its not much for a normal healthy person that doesn't do stupid stuff . Also , wasn't much big time , big deal drugs saving lives a hundred years ago . I've asked doctors about the lack of meds and doctoring and they just say that people died . --- just a comment !!

unless they could cut off the infected limb first. That worked a lot of times, hence the monicker for doctors a century or so ago; Old Sawbones.

[MENTION=33912]WinterBorn[/MENTION]...
so your daughter has an infection in her wrist.

Do you saw off at the elbow or at the shoulder.

Or do you go collect some roots for her to chew on.

Or simply bring her to the hospital and ask for some readily available drugs that will treat it?

Your Call pops.

 

[Pete7469]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

My neighbors?

No. Even the few liberal ones.

Of course I'm not exactly a "prepper". I keep a small stock of things in case there is another disaster (We lived through a forest fire a few years ago) so that we can get by if we're cut off from resources.

In a circumstance of an apocolyptic event, most of my neighbors would probably fare well enough on the resources available in our area. Wild game, and fresh water is available, there are local farms for trading and plenty of people have chickens or other livestock. Anyone can use a shovel and work for the basic neccessities.

City dwellers however will probably be resisted. There's still a limit on available resources, and I personally would strictly vet anyone from outside our community seeking refuge. If it was some sort of biological issue like E-Bola, chances are outsiders would be kept out at all costs.

 

[candycorn]

Candy's problem is that (for whatever reason) she is convinced she has been well trained. She has only been trained to deal with relatively minor events of short duration but-since she is well trained-they are the only type of events worthy of consideration. She has a mind like a steel trap: rusted shut.

Our society is more fragile that it has ever been because the population is the most specialized. What does your average advertising exec. know about growing and preparing vegetables? Or obtaining, slaughtering, butchering, and preparing meat for the table? Or cooking, or finding or sanitizing safe water? Making and maintaining fire or shelter or any of the other items and tools necessary for survival? When other people are no longer doing these things for him is he any less helpless than a newborn baby? Or any more helpful to others?

Yeah, after 72 hours, I'm sure all of the people who are trying to re-establish services will just throw up their hands and start planting crops for the fall harvest.

I'm really not ridiculing what you're saying. You speak the truth. Specialization is good in a market economy when there is a market for the ad exec or the hot dog vendor or the telemarketer or whatever. When the paradigm shifts to survival skills...that is the new paradigm.

What is ridiculous is you guys forecasting that there will be this mass surrender when there is no air conditioning or television or, gasp, cell phone service.

This is why we spend literally billions as a country on the response.

 

[R.C. Christian]

You people would go clinically insane without your drugs, your phones, your cars, or entertainment. Your're all addicts so that makes you especially dangerous, and easier to cull because most hipsters, video game geeks, or soccer moms don't have guns.

 

[Pete7469]

We're set to be totally self-sufficient at all of our campuses (the lay term is hospitals) for 72 hours. After that, we will begin to receive incident related supplies. From where?

CDC - PHPR - Strategic National Stockpile

There is something like 600 tons sitting around the nation and can be deployed in 12 hours.

This is backed up by VMI (Vendor Managed Inventories).

Fuel for the generators will be trucked in as needed.




Are you saying that you preppers are going to mobilize and try to take over the hospital? I thought you were just going to benignly sit out the apocalypse?

Knowing our plan for my system...I will feel extremely comfortable at any of our campuses...I'll put it that way.

The campuses will be affected. Supplies will dry up eventually. There is no bottomless pit of supplies. That much is true.

I'll put our planning, the SNS, and VMI and mutual aid agreements up against your Darwinism any day of the week.

So you insist that EMP/Solar storm events are impossible? Funny, the scientific community disagrees with you.

Surely you can quote me saying that. Oh wait, no you can't.



I'm sure they will. The public health authorities have plans in place for that. Of which our campuses play a prominent role.

Seriously...do you think we're just going to open the doors and wait? We have plans in place...they are comprehensive and very detailed; One of the credentialing aspects of my job is to identify those with language skills. So that they may translate during an emergency when someone who speaks Cantonese shows up.

It's pretty comical that we're having this conversation where you're swear you're prepared but somehow the MPH's, PhD's, and others experienced in disaster response haven't given it a thought.


There is a term we used called the "worried well". This is the problem any response faces. A guy with a cough thinking he has been exposed to anthrax comes to your door and you have to squander precious time and resources dealing with it.

Medical epidemiology will weed them out.

When you say, "There are no resources to contain that"....you should reconsider that comment.



It could happen. Then again armed escort will be necessary; unfortunate but necessary.



Of course they will....not.

Your view, in every post, assumes an infrastructure exists and can be utilized.

I'm certain there will be pressure points where a bridge is gone or an overpass is no longer usable. The response will take longer to get there. And yes, people will die.

Out in the boonies meanwhile, I'm sure it never floods, tornadoes never have trees land on your access door, wild fires never take place...

The difference is that when floods, tornadoes, or fires do hit; the national guardsmen and women show up in the cities first; not some random patch of Dixie.

True fact bro.

You refuse to even have a hypothetical discussion of what will happen in the even of another solar storm like the Carrington Event. Why?

Hilarious.

All you have proposed are hypotheticals.

Like 5.5 million people will be equally crazy, taking to the streets with guns and ammo and knock over anything still running.

Atlanta's 2014 winter weather storm leaves thousands stranded | 11alive.com

I seem to have missed the rioting and looting that occurred during the state of emergency earlier this year in Atlanta.

Two planes slammed into the WTC in NY. Do you remember widespread looting, panic, people going apeshit crazy? No? Neither do I.

Anthrax attacks hit the NE shortly thereafter. Do you recall the quarantining of millions and roads and bridges being clogged with masses trying to flee? Yeah...me neither.

Was there flat out incompetence in the Katrina response? Yes. Yes there was. No planning is perfect and no execution is perfect either.

The most pressing issues will be related to Mother Nature (like Katrina). Nearly any catastrophe (acronym is B-NICE Biological, Nuke, Incendiary, Chemical, Explosive) attack is comparatively easy.

While I think a nationwide disaster is extremely far fetched, all I have to do is look at what a complete goat **** New Orleans turned into. It took WEEKS and troops from around the country just to organize shit. On a much larger scale the entire system would collapse IMO. Guardsmen would take their weapons home, just as many cops in NOPD did. You put WAY too much faith in government.

For that matter NO was still goat fucked for years in many ways, while the rural areas around it managed much better. So if it happens to be the EMP thing, a nuclear war, or a plague, the cities are doomed IMO.


BTW, people are going apeshit in one small area of MO, and it's taking cops from all over the state to quell the riots. If for whatever reason commodities aren't moving for more than a week, I'm sure there will be a whole lot of people loosing their minds.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Non-hospital med. care can be effective.

 

[candycorn]

So you insist that EMP/Solar storm events are impossible? Funny, the scientific community disagrees with you.

Surely you can quote me saying that. Oh wait, no you can't.



I'm sure they will. The public health authorities have plans in place for that. Of which our campuses play a prominent role.

Seriously...do you think we're just going to open the doors and wait? We have plans in place...they are comprehensive and very detailed; One of the credentialing aspects of my job is to identify those with language skills. So that they may translate during an emergency when someone who speaks Cantonese shows up.

It's pretty comical that we're having this conversation where you're swear you're prepared but somehow the MPH's, PhD's, and others experienced in disaster response haven't given it a thought.


There is a term we used called the "worried well". This is the problem any response faces. A guy with a cough thinking he has been exposed to anthrax comes to your door and you have to squander precious time and resources dealing with it.

Medical epidemiology will weed them out.

When you say, "There are no resources to contain that"....you should reconsider that comment.



It could happen. Then again armed escort will be necessary; unfortunate but necessary.



Of course they will....not.


I'm certain there will be pressure points where a bridge is gone or an overpass is no longer usable. The response will take longer to get there. And yes, people will die.

Out in the boonies meanwhile, I'm sure it never floods, tornadoes never have trees land on your access door, wild fires never take place...

The difference is that when floods, tornadoes, or fires do hit; the national guardsmen and women show up in the cities first; not some random patch of Dixie.

True fact bro.

You refuse to even have a hypothetical discussion of what will happen in the even of another solar storm like the Carrington Event. Why?

Hilarious.

All you have proposed are hypotheticals.

Like 5.5 million people will be equally crazy, taking to the streets with guns and ammo and knock over anything still running.

Atlanta's 2014 winter weather storm leaves thousands stranded | 11alive.com

I seem to have missed the rioting and looting that occurred during the state of emergency earlier this year in Atlanta.

Two planes slammed into the WTC in NY. Do you remember widespread looting, panic, people going apeshit crazy? No? Neither do I.

Anthrax attacks hit the NE shortly thereafter. Do you recall the quarantining of millions and roads and bridges being clogged with masses trying to flee? Yeah...me neither.

Was there flat out incompetence in the Katrina response? Yes. Yes there was. No planning is perfect and no execution is perfect either.

The most pressing issues will be related to Mother Nature (like Katrina). Nearly any catastrophe (acronym is B-NICE Biological, Nuke, Incendiary, Chemical, Explosive) attack is comparatively easy.

While I think a nationwide disaster is extremely far fetched, all I have to do is look at what a complete goat **** New Orleans turned into. It took WEEKS and troops from around the country just to organize shit. On a much larger scale the entire system would collapse IMO. Guardsmen would take their weapons home, just as many cops in NOPD did. You put WAY too much faith in government.

For that matter NO was still goat fucked for years in many ways, while the rural areas around it managed much better. So if it happens to be the EMP thing, a nuclear war, or a plague, the cities are doomed IMO.


BTW, people are going apeshit in one small area of MO, and it's taking cops from all over the state to quell the riots. If for whatever reason commodities aren't moving for more than a week, I'm sure there will be a whole lot of people loosing their minds.

As for New Orleans...a canal breached flooding the city. So yes, canals being a municipal phenomenon, it did effect the city more than the country in and around the metropolitan area.

As for the idea the the rural areas fared better, not so. The Mississippi gulf coast was decimated.

More than one million people in Mississippi were affected, and almost 6 months later, the extent of the devastation in Mississippi was still described as "staggering" in USA Today on February 16, 2006:[8] "The Mississippi Gulf Coast has been devastated. The extent of the devastation in Mississippi is also staggering. Since Katrina hit, more than half a million people in Mississippi have applied for assistance from FEMA. In a state of just 2.9 million residents, that means more than one in six Mississippians have sought help. More than 97,000 people are still living in FEMA trailers and mobile homes. Another 5,000 to 6,000 are still waiting for FEMA trailers. Almost six months later, many neighborhoods are still piled high with storm debris"[8][9] (reported February 2006).

The loss of life and commercial interests were not as great because there was not as much concentration of investment.

The yellow areas had what Wiki describes as severe damage and/or flood damage

 

[Pete7469]

Surely you can quote me saying that. Oh wait, no you can't.



I'm sure they will. The public health authorities have plans in place for that. Of which our campuses play a prominent role.

Seriously...do you think we're just going to open the doors and wait? We have plans in place...they are comprehensive and very detailed; One of the credentialing aspects of my job is to identify those with language skills. So that they may translate during an emergency when someone who speaks Cantonese shows up.

It's pretty comical that we're having this conversation where you're swear you're prepared but somehow the MPH's, PhD's, and others experienced in disaster response haven't given it a thought.


There is a term we used called the "worried well". This is the problem any response faces. A guy with a cough thinking he has been exposed to anthrax comes to your door and you have to squander precious time and resources dealing with it.

Medical epidemiology will weed them out.

When you say, "There are no resources to contain that"....you should reconsider that comment.



It could happen. Then again armed escort will be necessary; unfortunate but necessary.



Of course they will....not.


I'm certain there will be pressure points where a bridge is gone or an overpass is no longer usable. The response will take longer to get there. And yes, people will die.

Out in the boonies meanwhile, I'm sure it never floods, tornadoes never have trees land on your access door, wild fires never take place...

The difference is that when floods, tornadoes, or fires do hit; the national guardsmen and women show up in the cities first; not some random patch of Dixie.

True fact bro.



Hilarious.

All you have proposed are hypotheticals.

Like 5.5 million people will be equally crazy, taking to the streets with guns and ammo and knock over anything still running.

Atlanta's 2014 winter weather storm leaves thousands stranded | 11alive.com

I seem to have missed the rioting and looting that occurred during the state of emergency earlier this year in Atlanta.

Two planes slammed into the WTC in NY. Do you remember widespread looting, panic, people going apeshit crazy? No? Neither do I.

Anthrax attacks hit the NE shortly thereafter. Do you recall the quarantining of millions and roads and bridges being clogged with masses trying to flee? Yeah...me neither.

Was there flat out incompetence in the Katrina response? Yes. Yes there was. No planning is perfect and no execution is perfect either.

The most pressing issues will be related to Mother Nature (like Katrina). Nearly any catastrophe (acronym is B-NICE Biological, Nuke, Incendiary, Chemical, Explosive) attack is comparatively easy.

While I think a nationwide disaster is extremely far fetched, all I have to do is look at what a complete goat **** New Orleans turned into. It took WEEKS and troops from around the country just to organize shit. On a much larger scale the entire system would collapse IMO. Guardsmen would take their weapons home, just as many cops in NOPD did. You put WAY too much faith in government.

For that matter NO was still goat fucked for years in many ways, while the rural areas around it managed much better. So if it happens to be the EMP thing, a nuclear war, or a plague, the cities are doomed IMO.


BTW, people are going apeshit in one small area of MO, and it's taking cops from all over the state to quell the riots. If for whatever reason commodities aren't moving for more than a week, I'm sure there will be a whole lot of people loosing their minds.

As for New Orleans...a canal breached flooding the city. So yes, canals being a municipal phenomenon, it did effect the city more than the country in and around the metropolitan area.

As for the idea the the rural areas fared better, not so. The Mississippi gulf coast was decimated.

More than one million people in Mississippi were affected, and almost 6 months later, the extent of the devastation in Mississippi was still described as "staggering" in USA Today on February 16, 2006:[8] "The Mississippi Gulf Coast has been devastated. The extent of the devastation in Mississippi is also staggering. Since Katrina hit, more than half a million people in Mississippi have applied for assistance from FEMA. In a state of just 2.9 million residents, that means more than one in six Mississippians have sought help. More than 97,000 people are still living in FEMA trailers and mobile homes. Another 5,000 to 6,000 are still waiting for FEMA trailers. Almost six months later, many neighborhoods are still piled high with storm debris"[8][9] (reported February 2006).

The loss of life and commercial interests were not as great because there was not as much concentration of investment.

The yellow areas had what Wiki describes as severe damage and/or flood damage

I traveled through that region during Christmas time of that year, call it 4-5 months later, and Mississippi was in better shape than La. They had cleaned a lot of shit up. There was a stark differnce just crossing the state boundaries. Friends of mine in the La. guard told me as recently as 2 years ago that NO was still dealing with problems, and a lot of the refugees have never returned. They're the people who told me what the reality on the ground is. I'll take their words for it. It's their state.

 

[Uncensored2008]

[MENTION=33912]WinterBorn[/MENTION]...
so your daughter has an infection in her wrist.

Do you saw off at the elbow or at the shoulder.

Or do you go collect some roots for her to chew on.

Or simply bring her to the hospital and ask for some readily available drugs that will treat it?

Your Call pops.

You are quite disingenuous. IF there is a collapse, there is no hospital to take her to - THAT is the point.

I'm not a prepper - but you argue from a perspective of abject dishonestly. You speak of events in a crises as if there is no crisis. If society collapses, there is no hospital, no power, the roads are impassable. It isn't that the preppers are hermits who just dropped out of society.

Try being honest in the discussion.

 

[PredFan]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

I'm going to ignore the stupidity, childishness and the strawman in your OP and answer the question. My neighbor is a good guy who is a gun owner and a pretty smart and resourceful guy. I wouldn't tell him to **** off.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Yeah, after 72 hours, I'm sure all of the people who are trying to re-establish services will just throw up their hands and start planting crops for the fall harvest.
What is ridiculous is you guys forecasting that there will be this mass surrender when there is no air conditioning or television or, gasp, cell phone service.

Surrender? No, I think what is actually being (correctly) said is that if the disaster is severe and widespread enough it is simply unrealistic to expect effective re-establishment of services within 72hr. It must be remembered many of the would be rescuers along with their communications, transportation and supplies would be as much a part of the disaster as anyone else.

 

[WinterBorn]

Sure. When you train with it over and over, you gain confidence and don't have to rely on anecdotes and



Which may be why the distribution hubs are located in airports and the docks can be converted to sally ports (psst...most of ours already are).



Is that when Jesus returns? I'm confused.




To bank on survival and forming a bunch of untrained folks into a cohesive unit capable of doing anything other than defending a track of nothingness in the middle of nowhere may be equally insane.

I will say this. Those pine trees are yours...you've planned well and prepped for them. Enjoy them I suppose. I surrender...you have the trees....yipee!!

Obviously the possibility of another solar storm, like the Carrington Event, is beyond what can be accepted by your mind, so you ignore it or attempt to ridicule it. News flash: It has already happened. And it can happen again. But you prefer to remark with some ignorance about Jesus returning. lol

And yes, I will bank on a group of determined people to take care of themselves. And that nothingness has fish, game, and edible foliage available for those who know how to gather it. My pine forests will feed and shelter me.

You will have to contend with massive hordes of scared, desperate people willing to fight for a scrap of food. I will be miles and miles from any such crowds.

I like my chances of survival better than yours.

At least I am willing to look at realistic situations.

Realistic solutions?

You have one nut job prepper talking about sawing off limbs.

You're willing to forego readily available antibiotics in favor of what, roots and leeches?

Keep telling yourself that.

You are still not looking at realistic situations.

 

[RandallFlagg]

And when the power goes out at the hospital? How will you run the diagnostic machines and keep the medications refrigerated, and power the x-ray machines ect ect ect??

I'm not sure if it's the first rule of disaster response but it's pretty near the top of the list:

Allocate the resources where they will do the most good.

This is why commercial services are typically the first to be restored after a power outage when there is a choice of either/or.

As for the hospital? Our system's campuses (not the walk-in clinics) are good for 72 hours of full service. My opposite number at the other two major systems in our area say they are 72 hour compliant. The county hospitals are armed to the teeth on this. We're more than prepared and we're backed by state and federal resources and other mutual aid agreements where we could tap into VMI (Vendor Managed Inventory).

No worries here.

So, once again, as we discuss options and plans for a long term, major collapse, you elect to ignore that and continue the assumption that the gov't will be in to save you in a few days.

The preppers (especially in the last few pages) have been specifically talking about a long term situation. And you ignore that, and continue on with your diatribe about what preppers are doing wrong yada yada yada.

I suppose if we are able to make sure than no disaster lasts more than a few days, it will be completely unnecessary to prepare for anything. Have a few extra cans of food, some water, and extra batteries for the flashlights and things will be fine.

These are the people who put their complete faith and trust in the "government" to come in and "save the day". It's unrealistic as hell, considering that (God forbid) a suitcase nuke or dirty bomb could render Washington DC irrelevant for the next 20-30 years. To re-establish a "workable" central government (if even possible) could take years. Jesus - those assholes can't get along living like Kings - how well do you think they would work together in a disaster?

Any preparation, whether it be a massive natural disaster or (as is more probable) a successful attack on this country, requires the citizenry to revert BACK to their roots of individualism and fending for themselves not unlike as recently as 50 years ago.

That, in and of itself, tells me that a large portion of the American public will perish within a month of the catastrophe. Sitting on their ass and WAITING for Uncle Sam to rescue them will only lead to anarchy while they, the american citizen, are stuck right in the middle of the fray. Sorry, but it's not for me and mine.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Candy's problem is that (for whatever reason) she is convinced she has been well trained. She has only been trained to deal with relatively minor events of short duration but-since she is well trained-they are the only type of events worthy of consideration. She has a mind like a steel trap: rusted shut.

Our society is more fragile that it has ever been because the population is the most specialized. What does your average advertising exec. know about growing and preparing vegetables? Or obtaining, slaughtering, butchering, and preparing meat for the table? Or cooking, or finding or sanitizing safe water? Making and maintaining fire or shelter or any of the other items and tools necessary for survival? When other people are no longer doing these things for him is he any less helpless than a newborn baby? Or any more helpful to others?

Brother, you just hit the nail on the top of the head. Living (and working) in a world of computers is easy. We have become fat and lazy. Turn the power off for 72 hours (which seems to be her magic number), offer no advice, no help and no explanation and watch how fast society will crumble. Anarchy will control the streets by the end of the 3rd day.

This is the risk you take when you live in a major metropolitan area. But let her go on, telling us all how "Uncle Sugar" will ride in on his silver horse and save us. The morgues will be full of "geniuses" like her.

 

[candycorn]

While I think a nationwide disaster is extremely far fetched, all I have to do is look at what a complete goat **** New Orleans turned into. It took WEEKS and troops from around the country just to organize shit. On a much larger scale the entire system would collapse IMO. Guardsmen would take their weapons home, just as many cops in NOPD did. You put WAY too much faith in government.

For that matter NO was still goat fucked for years in many ways, while the rural areas around it managed much better. So if it happens to be the EMP thing, a nuclear war, or a plague, the cities are doomed IMO.


BTW, people are going apeshit in one small area of MO, and it's taking cops from all over the state to quell the riots. If for whatever reason commodities aren't moving for more than a week, I'm sure there will be a whole lot of people loosing their minds.

As for New Orleans...a canal breached flooding the city. So yes, canals being a municipal phenomenon, it did effect the city more than the country in and around the metropolitan area.

As for the idea the the rural areas fared better, not so. The Mississippi gulf coast was decimated.

More than one million people in Mississippi were affected, and almost 6 months later, the extent of the devastation in Mississippi was still described as "staggering" in USA Today on February 16, 2006:[8] "The Mississippi Gulf Coast has been devastated. The extent of the devastation in Mississippi is also staggering. Since Katrina hit, more than half a million people in Mississippi have applied for assistance from FEMA. In a state of just 2.9 million residents, that means more than one in six Mississippians have sought help. More than 97,000 people are still living in FEMA trailers and mobile homes. Another 5,000 to 6,000 are still waiting for FEMA trailers. Almost six months later, many neighborhoods are still piled high with storm debris"[8][9] (reported February 2006).

The loss of life and commercial interests were not as great because there was not as much concentration of investment.

The yellow areas had what Wiki describes as severe damage and/or flood damage

I traveled through that region during Christmas time of that year, call it 4-5 months later, and Mississippi was in better shape than La. They had cleaned a lot of shit up. There was a stark differnce just crossing the state boundaries. Friends of mine in the La. guard told me as recently as 2 years ago that NO was still dealing with problems, and a lot of the refugees have never returned. They're the people who told me what the reality on the ground is. I'll take their words for it. It's their state.

That's true...there were still refugees in Houston when I left.

As for rebuilding....it's easy to rebuild nothing (there are stretches of I-20 in MS where there are no exits for 30 miles or so). The hotels along the gulf coast took about a year to rebuild...pretty much like you saw in New Orleans.

 

[candycorn]

Realistic solutions?

You have one nut job prepper talking about sawing off limbs. .

Bullshit, you damned liar.

What post would that have been, fuckface?

and yeah , just from 64 years of life experience I know how much a Doctor and drugs are needed and its not much for a normal healthy person that doesn't do stupid stuff . Also , wasn't much big time , big deal drugs saving lives a hundred years ago . I've asked doctors about the lack of meds and doctoring and they just say that people died . --- just a comment !!

unless they could cut off the infected limb first. That worked a lot of times, hence the monicker for doctors a century or so ago; Old Sawbones.

[MENTION=33912]WinterBorn[/MENTION]...
so your daughter has an infection in her wrist.

Do you saw off at the elbow or at the shoulder.

Or do you go collect some roots for her to chew on.

Or simply bring her to the hospital and ask for some readily available drugs that will treat it?

Your Call pops.

Well.. [MENTION=33912]WinterBorn[/MENTION]...?

What call do you make? Are you saying chopping off limbs is a stupid idea?

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Candycorn, what was your original intention/purpose of creating this thread?

 

[candycorn]

Obviously the possibility of another solar storm, like the Carrington Event, is beyond what can be accepted by your mind, so you ignore it or attempt to ridicule it. News flash: It has already happened. And it can happen again. But you prefer to remark with some ignorance about Jesus returning. lol

And yes, I will bank on a group of determined people to take care of themselves. And that nothingness has fish, game, and edible foliage available for those who know how to gather it. My pine forests will feed and shelter me.

You will have to contend with massive hordes of scared, desperate people willing to fight for a scrap of food. I will be miles and miles from any such crowds.

I like my chances of survival better than yours.

At least I am willing to look at realistic situations.

Realistic solutions?

You have one nut job prepper talking about sawing off limbs.

You're willing to forego readily available antibiotics in favor of what, roots and leeches?

Keep telling yourself that.

You are still not looking at realistic situations.

The Carrington Event was in 1850 right? Earth was hit by a meteor setting off an ice age too.

Calling it "realistic" to expect that again is pretty much of a farce. Good to know the preppers won't be calling for help though....lol. As far as that goes...