When the Collapse Comes...

[JimBowie1958]

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

You really are a ******* idiot, aren't you? **** off Nazi - I don't have time for your bullshit. IGNORE.

Congratulations on figuring out the best response to KKKandy KKKorns bullshit.

 

[jon_berzerk]

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

Sure, that is what the Aztecs and Incas thought too.

What?? What the hell do the Aztecs and Incas have to do with this discussion?

And no, I do not think that the Aztecs and Incas thought the Heprin and LRI were going to run out.

And yes, far more will die initially from the violence of the urban panic than from things Heprin will cure. Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

the panic will happen within the first couple of days

 

[JimBowie1958]

Sure, that is what the Aztecs and Incas thought too.

What?? What the hell do the Aztecs and Incas have to do with this discussion?

And no, I do not think that the Aztecs and Incas thought the Heprin and LRI were going to run out.

And yes, far more will die initially from the violence of the urban panic than from things Heprin will cure. Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

the panic will happen within the first couple of days

Depending on the publics awareness of what is happening.

It might take a couple of days to get going and reach a crescendo in a week or so, depending on the scenario.

 

[jon_berzerk]

What?? What the hell do the Aztecs and Incas have to do with this discussion?

And no, I do not think that the Aztecs and Incas thought the Heprin and LRI were going to run out.

And yes, far more will die initially from the violence of the urban panic than from things Heprin will cure. Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

the panic will happen within the first couple of days

Depending on the publics awareness of what is happening.

It might take a couple of days to get going and reach a crescendo in a week or so, depending on the scenario.

in the big cities a snow storm causes a major panic

if the lights and power go off for a couple of days

and the store shelves dry up

and gas pumps not working

the panic will occur

 

[RandallFlagg]

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

You really are a ******* idiot, aren't you? **** off Nazi - I don't have time for your bullshit. IGNORE.

Congratulations on figuring out the best response to KKKandy KKKorns bullshit.

Oh, I figured that *****'s game out a long time ago - I rarely respond to the idiot. (1) The stupid ***** believes that my Wife "stole" the supplies we have. She did no such thing. (2) She is comical when she states that antibiotics have a shelf life. No Shit. Tell us something that we don't already know. That's why we have friends that are Doctors. We have resources when the time is at hand.

Fortunately for us - the dumbass will stay (and perish) in a city when it comes. Good for her. Perhaps the government, which she believes so strongly in, will help her out. Uh-huh.....

 

[skookerasbil]

If the situation is that of a long term collapse, the Heprin & LRI aren't going to last very long.

Plus, you make it sound as though it is impossible for humanity to survive without these prescription drugs.

There are alternatives to many medications and medical procedures. If there are not, consider it one of the risks of surviving the collapse.

I can assure you, far more people will die in the violence of the urban panic than from a lack of prescription antibiotics.

Sure, that is what the Aztecs and Incas thought too.

What?? What the hell do the Aztecs and Incas have to do with this discussion?

And no, I do not think that the Aztecs and Incas thought the Heprin and LRI were going to run out.

And yes, far more will die initially from the violence of the urban panic than from things Heprin will cure. Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD


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[Votto]

Saw this yesterday:

When the collapse comes, God Willing, I will be ready. And when yhou knock on my door for help , the answer is 'Go **** yourself'

I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

I plan on putting a hope and change sign in my front yard.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Saw this yesterday:


I'm just curious; you preppers out there who insist the world is coming to an end and are arming yourself to wart off the hordes of people coming for you Cocoa Puffs...are you going to tell your neighbor "Go **** yourself" if they knock on your door?

I plan on putting a hope and change sign in my front yard.

While you'e at it - don't forget your "GUN FREE ZONE" sign....

 

[asterism]

Prepared? You have basic prescription drugs like Heprin and LRI on hand? Likely not. Have a pump to administer the proper doses per hour? Very unlikely.

Not to mention administration kits, or likely even irrigation/cleaning solutions such as PDI solutions or the like.

By all means, stay away from the hospitals....

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

Which drugs expire?

Harvard has an opinion.

Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything?—The Family Health Guide

 

[RandallFlagg]

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

Which drugs expire?

Harvard has an opinion.

Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything?—The Family Health Guide

Most drugs have a "half-life" when prescribed. There is debate as to how long "most" drugs can be safely used past their posted expiration date. Yes, nearly every drug will retain it's efficacy past it's shelf life, but the longer you go - the less effective they are. I recall tests being done on zithro (Azithromycin) and the drug was still effective 5 years past the shelf life. I, personally wouldn't trust those drugs after say, 6 months past their expiration date.

The bottom line with ANY medication in a time of Catastrophe is that eventually, no matter HOW prepared you are - you will run out. The trick is to run out after everyone else.

Better yet, it would serve you well to practice as many sanitary practices as possible and do everything possible to stay as healthy as possible. As a former combat infantryman - the hardest thing to do in the field is to keep clean - but it is vitally important. Once you get sick - life quickly becomes a ***** out there.

 

[asterism]

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

Which drugs expire?

Harvard has an opinion.

Drug Expiration Dates — Do They Mean Anything?—The Family Health Guide

Most drugs have a "half-life" when prescribed. There is debate as to how long "most" drugs can be safely used past their posted expiration date. Yes, nearly every drug will retain it's efficacy past it's shelf life, but the longer you go - the less effective they are. I recall tests being done on zithro (Azithromycin) and the drug was still effective 5 years past the shelf life. I, personally wouldn't trust those drugs after say, 6 months past their expiration date.

The bottom line with ANY medication in a time of Catastrophe is that eventually, no matter HOW prepared you are - you will run out. The trick is to run out after everyone else.

Better yet, it would serve you well to practice as many sanitary practices as possible and do everything possible to stay as healthy as possible. As a former combat infantryman - the hardest thing to do in the field is to keep clean - but it is vitally important. Once you get sick - life quickly becomes a ***** out there.

I generally agree. I just think it's funny that some "healthcare professionals" (not physicians and nurses) make the case that expired medication won't help in a catastrophe, when I've seen differently. If the package is sealed, most antibiotics are only 95% effective a few months after their manufacture but remain 90% effective 15 years after expiration.

They key in survival situations is weighing risks and conducting ourselves accordingly. While there are very rare situations that hospitals will be the only chance for survival, that's not the case for most people. It's anathema to those who have been programmed to believe differently, but all you have to do is read their posts to see their bias.

 

[candycorn]

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

You really are a ******* idiot, aren't you? **** off Nazi - I don't have time for your bullshit. IGNORE.

he he he....

I love it.

Facts do not cease to exist because you choose to ignore them. Feel free to burn your field manual to stay warm. You'll need it.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

You really are a ******* idiot, aren't you? **** off Nazi - I don't have time for your bullshit. IGNORE.

he he he....

I love it.

Facts do not cease to exist because you choose to ignore them. Feel free to burn your field manual to stay warm. You'll need it.

So why ignore my questions? How will you use your diagnostic equipment when the power goes out? How will you keep meds refrigerated when the power goes out? How long with the hospital's supplies last, when the manufacturers are not making more?

 

[candycorn]

It amazes me how stupid, people like you can be, but I guess it is what itr is. If you bothered to read my posts, you would see that my Wife is a RN of over 35 years. We have (at least) 95% of the supplies necessary to survive in the field. That is one of the perks of her profession.

Please, don't waste your time with your high and mighty preaching to me. I'm not interested.

Please, stay in a city and die. It's about what you deserve.

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

And when the power goes out at the hospital? How will you run the diagnostic machines and keep the medications refrigerated, and power the x-ray machines ect ect ect??

I'm not sure if it's the first rule of disaster response but it's pretty near the top of the list:

Allocate the resources where they will do the most good.

This is why commercial services are typically the first to be restored after a power outage when there is a choice of either/or.

As for the hospital? Our system's campuses (not the walk-in clinics) are good for 72 hours of full service. My opposite number at the other two major systems in our area say they are 72 hour compliant. The county hospitals are armed to the teeth on this. We're more than prepared and we're backed by state and federal resources and other mutual aid agreements where we could tap into VMI (Vendor Managed Inventory).

No worries here.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ninety five percent? And when the drugs that she stole expire? Oh...you didn't know they did that? Ahh...well they do.

She's pretty much helpless without diagnostic tools and if a patient goes into shock...well...pretty much helpless without D5W.

Raise the feet and cold compresses (if you have ice)...that'll do the trick.

Preaching? No junior. At this point, it's freestyle mockery.

And when the power goes out at the hospital? How will you run the diagnostic machines and keep the medications refrigerated, and power the x-ray machines ect ect ect??

I'm not sure if it's the first rule of disaster response but it's pretty near the top of the list:

Allocate the resources where they will do the most good.

This is why commercial services are typically the first to be restored after a power outage when there is a choice of either/or.

As for the hospital? Our system's campuses (not the walk-in clinics) are good for 72 hours of full service. My opposite number at the other two major systems in our area say they are 72 hour compliant. The county hospitals are armed to the teeth on this. We're more than prepared and we're backed by state and federal resources and other mutual aid agreements where we could tap into VMI (Vendor Managed Inventory).

No worries here.

So, once again, as we discuss options and plans for a long term, major collapse, you elect to ignore that and continue the assumption that the gov't will be in to save you in a few days.

The preppers (especially in the last few pages) have been specifically talking about a long term situation. And you ignore that, and continue on with your diatribe about what preppers are doing wrong yada yada yada.

I suppose if we are able to make sure than no disaster lasts more than a few days, it will be completely unnecessary to prepare for anything. Have a few extra cans of food, some water, and extra batteries for the flashlights and things will be fine.

 

[zeke]

Candy, you just don't understand how bad it will be when the collapse comes.

Millions dead, electronic failures in total, all the road and bridges will be gone. No more gas and diesel. Of course no electricity. Growing season for food will be gone so the food will only last for a few weeks. No jobs. no banking, no normal commerce of any kind.

Complete and total utter collapse is what they are preparing for.

There will only be surviving and not surviving.

You think cannibalism will make a come back? I do, A survivor has to eat something. And the pantry will eventually empty. The growing seasons will be gone. Nuclear winter will be the norm or some such thing. Unknown viruses will kill what ever is left alive eventually.

Sounds like "The Road" (Cormac McCarthy) and "Final Blackout" (L.Ron Hubbard) combined doesn't it?

 

[WinterBorn]

Prepper: What will you do if there is a long term disaster or collapse?

CandyCorn: The resources have been allocated to allow us to keep going for at least 72 hours.

Prepper: No, I mean in the event of a collapse that destroys enough that it will take years to rebuild.

CandyCorn: FEMA and other agencies have prepared for emergencies. You should trust them to get things running again soon.

Prepper: What about an EMP or solar storm like the Carrington Event? That would knock out power systems all over, and render vehicles worthless, kill communications, and make recovery a matter of years, if we recovered. This is why I plan to relocate to my land outside any urban area, to avoid the riots ect.

CandyCorn: You are better off staying near the PODs, for easy access to resources and to be close when the authorities get the power turned back on.

Prepper: What happens if they can't turn the power back on for a long time? Do you want to be in an urban environ with the almost certain rioting and violence?

CandyCorn: You will want to be near the hospitals. You won't survive without fresh antibiotics and modern diagnostic equipment. Remember, those meds expire.

Prepper: How will you run the hospital when the power is off? Your diagnostic tools will be worthless in a long term collapse.

CandyCorn: We are prepared to last 72 hours without any support. There are systems in place to share resources during that time. Then the authorities will have it back on line.

 

[WinterBorn]

Candy, you just don't understand how bad it will be when the collapse comes.

Millions dead, electronic failures in total, all the road and bridges will be gone. No more gas and diesel. Of course no electricity. Growing season for food will be gone so the food will only last for a few weeks. No jobs. no banking, no normal commerce of any kind.

Complete and total utter collapse is what they are preparing for.

There will only be surviving and not surviving.

You think cannibalism will make a come back? I do, A survivor has to eat something. And the pantry will eventually empty. The growing seasons will be gone. Nuclear winter will be the norm or some such thing. Unknown viruses will kill what ever is left alive eventually.

Sounds like "The Road" (Cormac McCarthy) and "Final Blackout" (L.Ron Hubbard) combined doesn't it?

The lack of a growing season is specific to a nuclear attack. Part of my prepping is to be prepared to plant and harvest food. The idea that any groups will survive strictly on canned or freeze dried food is a stretch. If we screw up bad enough to defoliate the planet, surviving will be temporary.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Prepper: What will you do if there is a long term disaster or collapse?

CandyCorn: The resources have been allocated to allow us to keep going for at least 72 hours.

Prepper: No, I mean in the event of a collapse that destroys enough that it will take years to rebuild.

CandyCorn: FEMA and other agencies have prepared for emergencies. You should trust them to get things running again soon.

Prepper: What about an EMP or solar storm like the Carrington Event? That would knock out power systems all over, and render vehicles worthless, kill communications, and make recovery a matter of years, if we recovered. This is why I plan to relocate to my land outside any urban area, to avoid the riots ect.

CandyCorn: You are better off staying near the PODs, for easy access to resources and to be close when the authorities get the power turned back on.

Prepper: What happens if they can't turn the power back on for a long time? Do you want to be in an urban environ with the almost certain rioting and violence?

CandyCorn: You will want to be near the hospitals. You won't survive without fresh antibiotics and modern diagnostic equipment. Remember, those meds expire.

Prepper: How will you run the hospital when the power is off? Your diagnostic tools will be worthless in a long term collapse.

CandyCorn: We are prepared to last 72 hours without any support. There are systems in place to share resources during that time. Then the authorities will have it back on line.

Nailed it!!

 

[JimBowie1958]

Or are you suggesting that, in the event of a major, long term collapse, the panic will not happen??

the panic will happen within the first couple of days

Depending on the publics awareness of what is happening.

It might take a couple of days to get going and reach a crescendo in a week or so, depending on the scenario.

in the big cities a snow storm causes a major panic

if the lights and power go off for a couple of days

and the store shelves dry up

and gas pumps not working

the panic will occur

but rioting and looting is only the initial stage in a real melt down.

After that you have the vicious brutal lawlessness of home-to-home rapes/robberies and murders. Real Psycho shit. WE haven't seen that yet because it will take about a week for the real loons to realize that they can get away with it. That wont happen till they are convinced that the government is not going to send in the National Guard to restore order, then the SRHTF.

That is when law abiding citizens have to start execution groups to clean things up; frontier justice.