You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power

[Lockback]

And for Trump to spin it and say "We're getting rich" because of high oil prices. Who's We? Remember it dawned on him US and us was spelled the same? Perhaps this is his confusion. Because WE aren't getting rich with high gas prices. Are we? Or is Trump and Hegseth and Noem spending it up along with Kash Patel?

Here's what's blowing me away. Remember they wrongfully blamed Biden for supply chain problems and the Ukraine war? Gas went up to $5? These were not his fault.

The highest average gas price in the United States during the Biden administration occurred in June 2022, when the national average peaked at over $5 per gallon ($5.034 per gallon

As of mid-March 2026, California consistently has the highest gas prices in the U.S., averaging over $5.30 per gallon, with some areas approaching $6.

Also consider this As of mid-March 2026, the U.S. national average for regular gasoline has surged to approximately $3.58–$3.63 per gallon
How is that possible? Were the oil companies gouging us under Biden? Because today is worse than 2022
The March 2026 conflict between the US, Israel, and Iran has triggered the largest oil supply disruption in history, following the effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz. Over 20% of global oil (approx. 8 million barrels per day) was disrupted, collapsing tanker traffic and sending prices over $100/bbl.

You're funny.

 

[sealybobo]

You're funny.

That's funny.

A now deleted video of Donald Trump in 2011 talking about how President Obama will start a war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate and is weak and ineffective.​

And bringing energy prices down. He didn't.

Adding jobs? He doesn't.

And cutting out government waste fraud and abuse? They don't

The pentagon set a record late last year. Lose it or lose it. That's now what YOU voted for you stupid sack.​

 

[Lockback]

That's funny.

A now deleted video of Donald Trump in 2011 talking about how President Obama will start a war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate and is weak and ineffective.​

And bringing energy prices down. He didn't.

Adding jobs? He doesn't.

And cutting out government waste fraud and abuse? They don't

The pentagon set a record late last year. Lose it or lose it. That's now what YOU voted for you stupid sack.​

You're quite literally a Communist.

 

[sealybobo]

You're quite literally a Communist.

Shit. I'm a way better capitalist than you most likely.

• Top 10% (90th Percentile): Roughly $2.63 million.
• Top 25% (75th Percentile): Approximately $1.12 million.
• My Position You are comfortably above the median and approaching the top quartile of your peers.
• Median (50th Percentile): Approximately $364,500.

And if you are doing better than me like Hafar1014 claims he is I don't really think you care about capitalism any more than rich russians who like Putin.

So cut the Communism shit when your leader acts just like the Russian leader. What ISM is russia now? Does it matter? What ISM was Germany in 1944?

 

[Lockback]

Shit. I'm a way better capitalist than you most likely.

• Top 10% (90th Percentile): Roughly $2.63 million.
• Top 25% (75th Percentile): Approximately $1.12 million.
• My Position You are comfortably above the median and approaching the top quartile of your peers.
• Median (50th Percentile): Approximately $364,500.

And if you are doing better than me like Hafar1014 claims he is I don't really think you care about capitalism any more than rich russians who like Putin.

So cut the Communism shit when your leader acts just like the Russian leader. What ISM is russia now? Does it matter? What ISM was Germany in 1944?

Your hatred for Trump trumps everything. Your mind gets unhinged and you're literally mad.
That's really cute, bragging about how much money you have.
So did Castro.

 

[White 6]

Trump envoy Steve Witkoff says Iran claimed it had enough enriched uranium to make 11 nuclear bombs

President Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff told Fox News that Iranian negotiators said Iran had the "inalienable right to enrich all their nuclear fuel."

www.cbsnews.com

So? He is a realestate developer and Trump's "Special" Envoy to the Middle East for peace. In other words, he is just a mouth piece for Trump. We saw this BS back in the SonovaBush administration and it only served to make a lot of US troops dead and a lot of defense contractors (or do the call them War Contractor, now that Department of Defense is renamed by EO, as Department of War). He has no training in the Nuclear weapon, inspection, nuclear science and engineering, just a PolySci degree and a law degree. Pay him no mind, unless you are sitting across the table, and he is negotiating for trump.

 

[eagle1462010]

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

I have no issue with hitting Iran.

Its Karma to me. Better done when they dont have twice the missiles. Their IEDs sent many Americans home in bags

 

[Lockback]

I have no issue with hitting Iran.

Its Karma to me. Better done when they dont have twice the missiles. Their IEDs sent many Americans home in bags

Damn right.
Get while the gettin' is good.

 

[j-mac]

So? He is a realestate developer and Trump's "Special" Envoy to the Middle East for peace. In other words, he is just a mouth piece for Trump. We saw this BS back in the SonovaBush administration and it only served to make a lot of US troops dead and a lot of defense contractors (or do the call them War Contractor, now that Department of Defense is renamed by EO, as Department of War). He has no training in the Nuclear weapon, inspection, nuclear science and engineering, just a PolySci degree and a law degree. Pay him no mind, unless you are sitting across the table, and he is negotiating for trump.

You’re so ate up with TDS you can’t see clearly.

 

[Leo123]

You gotta be shittn' me. He is out for trump, not American. He just sells the MAGA routine blind followers. He should not have gone in, to help Israel with it's attack, though we should never have gotten in the way of Israel attacking Iran or it's proxies. But, the simple fact is nothing changed since he "obliterated" (his words) their nuclear program, and even his Secretary of State said Iran was not enriching. There was nothing that made him rush into this. He just chose to. The build up, for him was all on the military side, with no care for American's abroad or arrangements to get them out, as if the military build up was some kind of secret. Regional allies were not told. Heck our own front line and regional units, not directly involve from the jump weren't told. This probably led to some shooting down a plane or two of ours, by friendly fire.

And here we have a person who is so blinded by TDS he can't see the truth anymore. He constructs his own 'truth' by making outrageous, unsupported statements like 'He is out for Trump' (note he refuses to even capitalize Trump's name)'not America. Then he calls MAGA a 'routine' like a completely brainwashed Marxie. I think the term 'make America great again' is not a 'routine' it is a vision for a better, more prosperous and a more balanced society. 'Routine' indeed, frankly his dick-head comment stinks of hatred and resentment while MAGA represents the opposite.

 

[Calypso Jones]

That's funny.

A now deleted video of Donald Trump in 2011 talking about how President Obama will start a war with Iran because he has no ability to negotiate and is weak and ineffective.​

And bringing energy prices down. He didn't.

Adding jobs? He doesn't.

And cutting out government waste fraud and abuse? They don't

The pentagon set a record late last year. Lose it or lose it. That's now what YOU voted for you stupid sack.​

It is the left that has put the US and the world in the position it is now. They did it intentionally. They thought their time had come and it may still be. President Trump is not the cause of any of this..He's been in office only a short time compared to the length of time Leftists have been in power and managed to set up their radical judges, legislators and bureaucrats. The President is the only thing standing between us and these beasts at this time.

 

[sealybobo]

It is the left that has put the US and the world in the position it is now. They did it intentionally. They thought their time had come and it may still be. President Trump is not the cause of any of this..He's been in office only a short time compared to the length of time Leftists have been in power and managed to set up their radical judges, legislators and bureaucrats. The President is the only thing standing between us and these beasts at this time.

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Such bullshit. We did this? LOL. So you admit the world is on fire. And you say we did it? Sorry loser, but Trump was going to be a better negotiator. Remember? Obama would star a war because he's weak and ineffective. Look who the weak and ineffective one is now. Hmmm.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Such bullshit. We did this? LOL. So you admit the world is on fire. And you say we did it? Sorry loser, but Trump was going to be a better negotiator. Remember? Obama would star a war because he's weak and ineffective. Look who the weak and ineffective one is now. Hmmm.

The left appeased... They gave these terrorist states the cash to kill us and to potentially make nuclear weapons to finish the job. OWN IT BUD. YOUR SIDE did this. NOT the right. And I hate defending repubs, They are only slightly better in that they are destroying this nation slower than the left. The left destroys by ignoring the will of the people, undermining our choice, President Trump, the first president in a long time who understand that Putting America first is the only path to survival and Success. The left is always looking for ways to destroy this nation but first to drain it dry by stealing our money, our freedom, our childrens' sanity, God's blessings.

 

[IDIOCRACY]

You use the term lawn jockey which you substituted for the N-word that you really want to use. Where is Templar Komac who bans people from calling black conservatives things, but the lowest white man can call peple lawn jockeys, and he is not banned? Where is OKTexas, who doesn't delete this obvious slur?

YOU VOTED FOR TUMP, YOU DUMB WHITE RACIST SOB. YOU CAN'T CALL ANYONE ELSE STUPID FOR AS LONG AS YOU ARE WHITE.

My name is IM#2. You're RACIST, and white people bad.

 

[jc456]

Well, unlike many, I can't see the future.

On one hand, I can see what he & they are trying to do, and the old saying "you have to break eggs to make an omelette" definitely applies. Ridding the world of tyranny and oppression? Great. Sign me up. Making sure that trade deals are optimized going forward? Absolutely, yes. Controlling our borders and protecting our populace? You bet. Good.

On the other hand, what I don't see is any kind of sober examination of the COSTS of THE WAY things are being done,

Pointless argument. No one would ever know the costs of military action. And companies are eating the cost of tariffs.

I don't see any understanding of or concern for the damage that is being caused,

What damage?

and I see supporters who are clearly operating on realities and information that are simply not shared by the rest of the country, or the planet, for that matter.

Stop watching main stream media

So yeah, a lot of eggs are being broken to make this omelette, so we'll see.

Yep, what I voted for

 

[konradv]

You’re Watching the Old Order Collapse…​

and the People Who Built It Would Rather Burn America Down Than Lose Power​

Farther Along

"Lead me, follow me, or get out of my way." — General George S. Patton, Jr.

www.kunstler.com

9 Mar 2026 ~~ By John Howard Kunstler

Don’t lose the plot. Embrace the suck. This is the world’s hard time, for now. The birth of anything can be a bloody horror. It can even look like death. Don’t be too afraid to see what comes on the other side of this awful spectacle.
So many Americans are rooting and wishing for the Iran war to turn out badly for Western Civ. And why? Because Trump. And why? Because at the same time he is ending Iran’s long-running nuclear blackmail game, he is terminating the rackets of the Democratic Party. The incipient changes in operational order create new categories of winners and losers.
Now you know why Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists run on the same track as America’s Woke-Jacobin-Marxists, including the pitifully deluded wine ladies of posh West LA, Grosse Point, Beacon Hill, Fairfax County, et cetera, whose brains have been hijacked by the cable news demon factory (and their sponsors). Chaos does everything possible to avoid meeting order.
And this is why passing the SAVE Act is as consequential as ridding the Middle East of its chief chaos agent. Do you realize how perfectly insane our country’s election procedure has become? The fraud is titanic and right in your face, and the remedy is so plain and simple. What possible excuse is there to thwart it? Non-citizens have no right to vote. Mail-in ballots are patently subject to chicanery. Vote tabulation machines are demonstrably hackable. 80-percent of Americans know this is the truth. How is there controversy over this?
How? Because among all the broken institutions in our country, Congress is the worst. The Congress of our time is demonstrating that we might not be worthy of governing ourselves. We are at a cycle-low for public rectitude. Anything goes and nothing matters as long as the campaign contributions keep rolling in. You see how this has been going.
~Snip~
So, Mr. Trump, for all his flaws, attempts to bring order out of chaos at home and in global relations, and the agents of chaos mightily resent the shut-down of their precious chaos. With Iran, it has come to fighting fire with fire. It’s unlikely that most of the people in that country seek to become martyrs. The cult of martyrdom is strictly the business of the maniacs who seized power there in 1979, a reign of terror, extended by proxy around the whole Middle East and beyond.
Entwined with Iran’s oil business, and the energy security of many nations, the mullahs inflect the trade of this primary resource with their chaos. The world cannot cope with chaos in the oil trade. The collapsing regime of the mullahs wants to go out turning the entire world into a martyr. Just like the Democratic Party wants to martyr the founding principles of the USA to preserve its matrix of moneygrubbing and power-seeking. These are two forces that require the most severe discipline and Mr. Trump is acting to impose exactly that. It’s painful to witness, but it must happen if we want to continue the human project as a reality-based enterprise.
So, heed what is at stake in the events unspooling. This is a dark moment in a journey back to daylight. Have faith. As the old American hymn goes: Farther along we’ll know more about it; farther along we’ll understand why.

Commentary:
John Kunstler's thesis reflects a common sentiment found in modern political commentary regarding the "old order" or "establishment." The idea suggests that entrenched leaders would rather see institutions fail than relinquish control.
Even posts on this board many of the discussions often center on whether the "death of American capitalism" or the dismantling of agencies like USAID represents a shift toward "oligarchic nihilism," where the ruling class prioritizes its own power over the survival of the system.
Certainly we've been warned by our forefathers and those that came after by people like Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln who warned of the internal collapse of democracy if the 'Rights Of The People' were secondary to the interests of those in power.
Today's political landscape in the U.S. is marked by significant turmoil. Many believe that those in power are prioritizing their interests over the well-being of the nation. This has led to widespread discontent among the populace.
We saw that beginning in 2020 with the "Summer of Love" and the Stolen election followed by a pseudo presidency supposed led by an Alzheimer's riddled septuagenarian that began work at 12:00 PM and closed shop at 3:00 PM.
Indeed, many Americans wondered then who was really running the country.
Yet, today the same political leaders tell us the president elected to lead this country is tearing America apart.

MAGA allowed it to happen by re-electing Trump. They’re J6ing America.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Great.

Now cite all of the feedback from the lefttardz and the media telling Trump he was full of shit and the Nuke facilities were not obliterated.

Are they obliterated now?

Or do we need to hit them again?

Trump re-obliterated the nonexistent Iranian nuclear weapons program[

Perfect way for the 250 year experiment to end, conned by the best conman in American history. Even the Amish are calling Trump a lying ************

 

[jc456]

Trump re-obliterated the nonexistent Iranian nuclear weapons program[

Perfect way for the 250 year experiment to end, conned by the best conman in American history. Even the Amish are calling Trump a lying ************

Illiterate

 

[Chuz Life]

Trump re-obliterated the nonexistent Iranian nuclear weapons program[

Perfect way for the 250 year experiment to end, conned by the best conman in American history. Even the Amish are calling Trump a lying ************

Yeah back on ignore you go.

I doubt you will ever care to know what an insult to American patriots and the continuing efforts to better this nation.

To suggest that Trump even has the ability to destroy the U.S. "experiment" all on his own by taking out a terrorist regime is a suggestion not even worth further consideration or response.

/ignore

 

[sealybobo]

The left appeased... They gave these terrorist states the cash to kill us and to potentially make nuclear weapons to finish the job. OWN IT BUD. YOUR SIDE did this. NOT the right. And I hate defending repubs, They are only slightly better in that they are destroying this nation slower than the left. The left destroys by ignoring the will of the people, undermining our choice, President Trump, the first president in a long time who understand that Putting America first is the only path to survival and Success. The left is always looking for ways to destroy this nation but first to drain it dry by stealing our money, our freedom, our childrens' sanity, God's blessings.

Listen pal... I've heard you guys spin so many things that I'm not going to get into your delusions. "They" gave the terrorists states cash. Instead of $1 billion a day in a war? Brilliant if you ask me.

OMG, I hear so much fallout from DOGE. Like, we stop sending charity to African countries who we are raping their natural resources. That was the deal aholes. We give them tax payer funded aid and the corporations rape their natural resources. Trump is horrible.

America first? Ridiculous. At YOUR expense. He means rich America first dummy.