When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[Frankenstein]

Children have a right to the equal protection of our laws.

True or false?

So do fathers

 

[Frankenstein]

Barbaric to rip babies from the womb? Not emotional? Okey dokey.

Im not surprised you don't get that its none of your business what is private information between a woman and her doctor and an extremely personal decision for the woman involved, which is not yours to make.

Drama queen.

No it's not emotiona. I pray people watch you continuously, because you have no empathy, just like serial killers. Baby Killer

 

[hobelim]

Reading comprehension is not your thing.

Do you really not see that I specified "equal protection" and said nothing about "the same rights" that you are trying to argue against?

Equal protection under the 14th amendment "states cannot discriminate against children based on factors like race or religion." does not apply to a fetus or a zygote which is not a child. It can't even say goo goo gaa gaa.

 

[hobelim]

because you have no empathy, just like serial killers.

You mean like those dear Christian evangelists who indoctrinate children into the idolatrous worship of a first century Jewish man which, if scripture is true, causes their death and descent into hell, the realm of the dead.

Talk about serial killers! Socially accepted and even admired for their murders by brainwashed people like you.

I'd wager that you sacrificed your own children to Moloch for a nominal service charge. Where is your empathy?

MURDERER.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Drama queen.

 

[0311]

I'm not convinced that it is a human life from the moment of conception (given that it doesn't have a brain, for example), but at some point during pregnancy, I believe it qualifies as a human life.

If people are merely arguing that it is a "potential life" from the moment of conception, then preventing a potential life from coming into existence obviously isn't the same as taking a life from existence. (If that was true, then if a person only has 2 children when they have the ability to have 5 means they should be charged with 3 counts of murder, and we know that is absurd).

When the baby is born and not before.

 

[Frankenstein]

You mean like those dear Christian evangelists who indoctrinate children into the idolatrous worship of a first century Jewish man which, if scripture is true, causes their death and descent into hell, the realm of the dead.

Talk about serial killers! Socially accepted and even admired for their murders by brainwashed people like you.

I'd wager that you sacrificed your own children to Moloch for a nominal service charge. Where is your empathy?

MURDERER.

Wow that is some seriously disturbed content

 

[Frankenstein]

Do fathers deser

Equal protection under the 14th amendment "states cannot discriminate against children based on factors like race or religion." does not apply to a fetus or a zygote which is not a child. It can't even say goo goo gaa gaa.

Do fathers deserve equal protection when it comes to their children in the womb you didn't answer that!

 

[Chuz Life]

To answer your questions, yes, yes, and yes.

An embryo relies on its host, the mother, for survival and growth in the same way that cancerous tumors are parasitic organisms. Each one is a new species that, like most parasites, depends on its host for food, and can replicate, but otherwise operates independently and often to the detriment of its host.



Ha ha.

I looked it up, found the article you plagiarized and then asked Grok to affirm my disbelief.

Grok (again) didn't disappoint.

What Grok said.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/gCsAeWP7fWj4YtxsKEfqlvW3Y

 

[hobelim]

What Grok said.

Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, started calling itself 'MechaHitler'​

Elon Musk's AI chatbot churns out antisemitic posts days after update

In some posts, Grok inserted antisemitic remarks into its answers without any clear prompting.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Chuz Life]

Elon Musk's AI chatbot, Grok, started calling itself 'MechaHitler'​

Elon Musk's AI chatbot churns out antisemitic posts days after update

In some posts, Grok inserted antisemitic remarks into its answers without any clear prompting.

www.nbcnews.com

(tumor are still not organisms)

But you keep convincing yourself that they are.

The bonus is that the more the case you make for tumors being organisms. . . the more it solidifies the fact that children in the womb are even more so.

 

[Grumblenuts]

I looked it up, found the article you plagiarized

No, you didn't.

 

[Chuz Life]

No, you didn't.

Bet me.

By Robert Sanders

July 26, 2011
"Cancerous tumors are parasitic organisms, he said. Each one is a new species that, like most parasites, depends on its host for food, but otherwise operates independently and often to the detriment of its host."

Are cancers newly evolved species? - Berkeley News

Molecular biologist Peter Duesberg's theory that cancer results from chromosome disruption rather than a few gene mutations has led him to propose that cancers are actually evolving into autonomous species, akin to parasites.

news.berkeley.edu

 

[hobelim]

The bonus is that the more the case you make for tumors being organisms. . . the more it solidifies the fact that children in the womb are even more so.

Sure, but either way there is no justification at all for you or anyone to decide what women should do or not do about an unwanted pregnancy just like any person decides for themselves what they will do about a tumor.

Abortion is not murder because a zygote or embryo is not a human being anymore than your snot is.

 

[Chuz Life]

Sure, but either way there is no justification at all for you or anyone to decide what women should do or not do about an unwanted pregnancy just like any person decides for themselves what they will do about a tumor.

Abortion is not murder because a zygote or embryo is not a human being anymore than your snot is.

Do we even need to run that shit through Grok or any other AI, to see it for the lie that it is?

I don't think we do.

 

[hobelim]

Do we even need to run that shit through Grok or any other AI, to see it for the lie that it is?

Why not ask your hero Grok about abortion?



"Grok has indicated that legally, abortion is not considered murder because the legal concept of murder involves specific criteria, including unlawful killing with malice, and fetuses lack personhood status in most laws."

 

[Grumblenuts]

Bet me.
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By Robert Sanders

July 26, 2011
"Cancerous tumors are parasitic organisms, he said. Each one is a new species that, like most parasites, depends on its host for food, but otherwise operates independently and often to the detriment of its host."

Are cancers newly evolved species? - Berkeley News

Molecular biologist Peter Duesberg's theory that cancer results from chromosome disruption rather than a few gene mutations has led him to propose that cancers are actually evolving into autonomous species, akin to parasites.

news.berkeley.edu

Fair enough, but this goes back further and is more interesting.

04.05.00 - UC Berkeley biologist disputes current dogma that genetic mutation is the cause of cancer

newsarchive.berkeley.edu

 

[Leo123]

Yup. No brain, no consciousness, no human being. It's not a matter of "just saying it", it's objective reality.

There are better moral arguments against killing animals than killing a zygote, since even animals have a brain and some semblance of consciousness. A zygote does not.

Objective reality is that even a cell has purpose, life and a life path. If you squash it you kill all that potential. In the case of a Zygote, it is DEVELOPING into a human being and neither you nor anyone else can point to when the Zygote has consciousness. Again, kill a pregnant woman and go to jail for TWO murders.

 

[Chuz Life]

Why not ask your hero Grok about abortion?



"Grok has indicated that legally, abortion is not considered murder because the legal concept of murder involves specific criteria, including unlawful killing with malice, and fetuses lack personhood status in most laws."

https://x.com/i/grok/share/OEREQt3GLDoqRx85ObgiheRE7

 

[hobelim]

Fair enough, but this goes back further and is more interesting.

04.05.00 - UC Berkeley biologist disputes current dogma that genetic mutation is the cause of cancer

newsarchive.berkeley.edu

It always boils down to different theories. Coffee is good, coffee is bad. Eggs are good, eggs are bad, etc etc.

But in the case of whether or not abortion is murder....

"Grok has indicated that legally, abortion is not considered murder because the legal concept of murder involves specific criteria, including unlawful killing with malice, and fetuses lack personhood status in most laws."

Grok has spoken.

lol