When is an embryo/fetus a human life?

[hobelim]

why would they be convicted if it wasn't a crime?

You might not realize this Virginia but some courts judges lawyers and police are as corrupt or even more corrupt than the "criminals" they prosecute.

 

[pknopp]

We have 73 million abortions a year. I guarantee you if, historically, 73 million men a year dropped their wives and children off at insane asylums it would have made the history books.

Just because you don't know history............... Girls were married off at a very young age so parents no longer had to provide for them. Orphanages were absolutely horrible places.......

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Benjamin Franklin was set off to be an indentured servant because his dad couldn't afford to feed him.

It was quite common.

That's not true! At age 12, Ben Franklin was sent to work with his older brother as a printer's apprentice. He was never sent off as an indentured servant because his dad couldn't afford to feed him.

https://hsp.org/sites/default/files/legacy_files/migrated/bfandapprenticeship.pdf

Responsible families apprenticed their children to learn a trade.

 

[pknopp]

That's not true! At age 12, Ben Franklin was sent to work with his older brother as a printer's apprentice. He was never sent off as an indentured servant because his dad couldn't afford to feed him.

https://hsp.org/sites/default/files/legacy_files/migrated/bfandapprenticeship.pdf

Responsible families apprenticed their children to learn a trade.

He was an indentured servant.

Digital History

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu

Franklin was one of something like 15 kids.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Just because you don't know history............... Girls were married off at a very young age so parents no longer had to provide for them. Orphanages were absolutely horrible places.......

Obviously, you're the one who doesn't know history. You think Ben Franklin was an indentured servant. Girls were married off at young ages so that they would have husbands to care for them and their children. Wealthy families married their children off young. Not because parents could not provide for them, but to secure their future.
We kill 73 million souls a year. This has no comparison in all of history.

 

[pknopp]

Obviously, you're the one who doesn't know history. You think Ben Franklin was an indentured servant. Girls were married off at young ages so that they would have husbands to care for them and their children. Wealthy families married their children off young. Not because parents could not provide for them, but to secure their future.
We kill 73 million souls a year. This has no comparison in all of history.

I posted the link. I never defended the abortions. I have argued for programs to lessen them and that is what you are bent over.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He was an indentured servant.

Digital History

www.digitalhistory.uh.edu

Franklin was one of something like 15 kids.

He was an apprentice printer to his brother. Who was he sold to as an indentured servant?

15 children is not unheard of in colonial families. After all, we DID grow a nation at one time.

What did women do before abortion was legal? Some had back alley abortions. Some had children and given them up. Many more married the fathers and had quite successful lives.

 

[pknopp]

He was an apprentice printer to his brother. Who was he sold to as an indentured servant?

Read the link.

15 children is not unheard of in colonial families. After all, we DID grow a nation at one time.

What did women do before abortion was legal? Some had back alley abortions. Some had children and given them up. Many more married the fathers and had quite successful lives.

You argue like I am defending abortions. Quite the opposite.

 

[jc456]

You might not realize this Virginia but some courts judges lawyers and police are as corrupt or even more corrupt than the "criminals" they prosecute.

And?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Read the link.




You argue like I am defending abortions. Quite the opposite.

I gave you a link, did you read it?

 

[pknopp]

I gave you a link, did you read it?

Yes. He was signed to his brother under contract. A common thing. A criminal act to leave before your contract is up which Franklin did.

 

[sartre play]

Do you consider yourself to be a defender of equal rights?

Of children?

I'm asking sincerely.

Simple, am a defender of people having the right to make as many choices for them self's as is humanly possible.

 

[Chuz Life]

Simple, am a defender of people having the right to make as many choices for them self's as is humanly possible.

Do you support any laws at all against any of the other forms of child molestation?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yes. He was signed to his brother under contract. A common thing. A criminal act to leave before your contract is up which Franklin did.

So he wasn't sold into indentured servitude at all.

Families were different then. Apprenticeship was a form of education, it was how artisans were developed. We would do well to practice this today. A poor family could sell a child to a plumber or electrician to work and be taught a trade.

 

[sartre play]

Do you support any laws at all against any of the other forms of child molestation?

You must be a guy who just likes to argue,
As the only connection between aborting and child molestation
can be seen, is that of young girls being molested & getting pregnant?
What is your point?

 

[Chuz Life]

You must be a guy who just likes to argue,
As the only connection between aborting and child molestation
can be seen, is that of young girls being molested & getting pregnant?
What is your point?

You seem to think that aborted children escape from the procedure unmolested.

I'm still not clear on whether or not you support any laws against molestation at all, an/or just making exceptions for abortions.

It's an "are you consistent in your beliefs" kind of curiosity.

 

[Grumblenuts]

So how many of you fetus worshippers would actually support (gladly pay taxes for) secular:

• Healthcare: Access to affordable healthcare, including preventative care and treatment for children's illnesses.
• Education: Funding for public schools, early childhood education, and other educational resources.
• Social services: Programs like food assistance, housing assistance, and childcare support.

?

 

[Chuz Life]

So how many of you fetus worshippers would actually support (gladly pay taxes for) secular:

• Healthcare: Access to affordable healthcare, including preventative care and treatment for children's illnesses.
• Education: Funding for public schools, early childhood education, and other educational resources.
• Social services: Programs like food assistance, housing assistance, and childcare support.

Take from abortion clinics and fund these with the money?

I'm in!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Take from abortion clinics and fund these with the money?

I'm in!

They're called Women's Health Centers:

AI Overview

Women's health centers provide a wide range of specialized medical services focused on the unique health needs of women. These services include preventative care, diagnosis and treatment of various conditions, and management of reproductive and gynecological health across all stages of life. They also address specific concerns like heart health, breast health, and mental health, often offering services related to pregnancy, childbirth, and menopause.

Why do you hate women so much?

 

[Chuz Life]

They're called Women's Health Centers:

Why do you hate women so much?

Your allegation is not supported by any facts.

The women in my life will attest, long after I'm gone, that they were anything but "hated."