When Ideology become Theology

[Correll]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

Whether it's Trump, Mao, Hitler or Stalin the leaders of "Cults of Personality" tend to be unpleasant.

What about MTG and the rest? Don't they remind you of the TV preachers promising to make you rich for a donation?

Sure. MTG sees the blueprint that Trump created and is absolutely running with it.

This is now much bigger than the orange buffoon.

She and the rest are the apostles in the church of Trumpology.

Like the Sunday morning preachers who will save your soul for a small donation.

Bingo. This is more than politics for them. It's a full blown lifestyle.

Enjoying your circle jerk?

Why? You volunteering for pivot-man?

I don't even know that that means, you pathetic freak.

Well then you certainly shouldn't have made the reference you ignoramus.

But, because it gives me pleasure to kick your ass....

Urban Dictionary: Pivot Man

Pivot Man: A person who is the center of attention in a Circle Jerk. Usually on his or her knees pivoting around to service the circle jerkers.

www.urbandictionary.com

Not being up on all the slang terms of sexual deviance, is... not in my book, something to be ashamed of.


Perhaps in your world, it is.


You pathetic freak.

And yet YOU INTRODUCED THE TERM "CIRCLE JERK"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

You just admitted being ashamed of yourself!

BWAHAHAHA

yes, I was aware of the one term, that is often used to describe a nonsexual situation of people telling each other shit they all agree on and enjoying hearing other people say the same shit back to them.


That I did not know the other, more obscure term you used, is not an embarrassing fact.


My God, how pathetic you must be, if you are trying to pretend to yourself that that is a win.

You introduced the term.
Yes, it is you who should be embarrassed by your ignorance of your own reference.
BUUUUUT
What you're really angry about is that you tried your insult and it exploded in your face ...and we're back to the "pivot man."

Well, I'm not. Deal with it.


LOL!!! Angry? I'm not angry about this. I have no emotional investment is knowing the correct terminology for weird sexual acts done by perverts.

 

[Flash]

How about when Science become religion, like the obsession all the Moon Bats have with with this AGW silliness?

 

[kyzr]

How about when Science become religion, like the obsession all the Moon Bats have with with this AGW silliness?

WTF is AGW????

 

[Flash]

How about when Science become religion, like the obsession all the Moon Bats have with with this AGW silliness?

WTF is AGW????

Anthropogenic global warming. You know, this man made warming scam that all the Moon Bats have embraced as a religion.

 

[Dadoalex]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

Reality bites doesn't it.
That's why I'm guessing you live in Tiny Minded "conservative" Trumplandia!
Where reality never dare show its face
Where Trump is still president
...
Sure sounds like a fun fantasy.

 

[Dadoalex]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.

He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.

 

[Dadoalex]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Missed the topic by a mile. Try again.

Your OP misses reality by a mile. Try answering my post.

Your post is proof of the OP. Your refusal to acknowledge that you’re part of the problem is proof of the problem.

Your post has no content. Your vapid posts offer no proof of anything. My posts are undisputed PROOFs. Thanks for playing.

Got reading?

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.

I didn't address gun rights.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.

Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.

You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?

Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.

Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.

Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.

The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.

Fiscal conservatism works.

W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....

W was not a conservative.

And neither are you....

My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.

You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.

You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.

Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."

The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.

But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

But how?
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?

BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."

That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).


So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.


Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.

I've been pointing it out for years.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.

AND

The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?

Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?

Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.

Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".

I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.


Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.


Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.


He got a lot of support from white members of that group.


That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.

No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on

Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises

53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.

Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.

Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.

To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.

Your idiocy is noted. Nothing you said there addressed anything I said. All you did was spam your hate and bigotry.

My point stands, you fucktard.

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

Had everything to do with winning the primaries.
Primaries are the only thing that counts now in Trumplandia.

Your ignorance, willful or just because you're a tiny minded "conservative" is why the GOP recruited you and people just like you into the party.

I didn't mention Trump's policies in the OP?
I simply said that Trump RECOGNIZED what the GOP had become and how to monetize it.
How many of you idiots are STILL sending him money?
For what?
To overturn an election that was decided months ago?
HOW FUCKIN STUPID IS THAT?

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

And if that's not that "old time religion"
Then I ain't never seen it.

As I said, Trump ran on teh serious issues of trade and immigration.

That you can't respect or even accept that, is about you being so radicalized and such a partisan hack.


Your post above, did not address anything I have said, and was just a pile of shit talking points that a spam bot could have done better.

Trump ran on racism
He made promises but his sole campaign issue was racism.
You bought it because he was spewing in public the hate you've been spewing behind pseudonyms for years.
You ignored his history of destroying every business he's ever been involved with
You ignored his public connections to Russia

I'm not required to respond to your attempt to take the thread off the rail.

But I do note that YOU refused to respond to direct questions regarding the ACTUAL TOPIC. for your convenience:

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

Yet the black guy was able to infiltrate the mob of hard core Trump supporters.

Funny how little racism there was there.

Think about it. If Trumps appeal was all about wacism, that means that this is a very wacist country.


Of that huge wacist country, what kind of person would be motivated enough to go to a protest to support a President who already lost the election?

Those people most have been the most wacist, if your belief is correct.


AND, of that group, the very tiny fraction, angry enough to cross teh line into rioters, and fight police and storm the capital, they must have been even MORE wacist then the most wacist, wasisty people imaginable.

IF you belief is correct.


Yet, the black guy had no problem just showing up, with his trump hat, and being part of the mob.


The reality is, that you are holding on to your belief, DESPITE reality.

Put on a red hat and you dumbasses would accept Nancy Pelosi as part of your mob.
As a group, you're just that stupid.

Maybe we are. BUT, we are not racist. THe black guy was accepted without question.

That is the point I was asking you to comment on.


Why are you fighting this good news? The FACT, demonstrates that the core, the most rabid supporters of what you believed to be the party of racism in this country,

is not actually racist. THey had no problem with a black guy joining them.


If you were really anti-racist, I would think, you would be shouting and dancing in glee at this news.

PULLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZE!!!!!!!!!!!
Racists in foxholes don't give a damn about the guy next to them as long as their guns are pointed in the same direction.
That is until the shooting's over.
THEN
They'll hang the "******" for helping them kill White people.
It is who you are.
Maybe understanding who you are can help you change who you will be.
Helped me.

 

[Dadoalex]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

Ya know...
I'm going to take advice or information of "God" from a Trump worshipper on the day I officially put on a stupid MAGA hat. AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPY.

Look through his posts folks. Completely fact free and demanding we accept his beliefs on faith.

He is the perfect example and proof of the OP premise.

His arguments are based purely on belief and ignores the actual factual world around him in favor of his Trump Mythology.

Here, in case you actually ever want some truth in that tiny "conservative" mind.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

1. Keep posting nonsense. I proved your OP and subsequent posts are childish.
Theology is a study of God. Your OP confuses studying God with supporting policies.
Big difference, but your simple mind doesn't understand. All you are is a partisan bullshitter.

2. I already said I'm not voting for Trump in the primaries, but would in the general because the democrat candidates are dog shit.
There's a contrast, a "theology" vs. "dog shit". I'm on the right side of that comparison.

3. The link you provided proves nothing. It tries to say that except for the OLC memo Trump would have been charged with obstruction. But Mueller can't say that. There is no there there. If there was, Trump would have been charged with obstruction after he left office. WHERE ARE THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES?? Thanks for playing, now give your mom her PC back. From your link:
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1. My how Christocentric you are! "Believing" that the "theology" only has meaning when YOUR God is involved. Did you ever consider how your "God" became "God?"
Easy enough to explain.
"God" is the tool the ignorant use to explain their world.
Rain falls from sky = God is happy
Boulder falls from mountainside kills man = God mad at man
Not the water cycle, God.
God is given credit for filling their every need and withholds his bounty when they displease him.

Can you see how people scared and angry in a changing world could respond to a person like Trump who gives voice to their fears, no matter how irrational, and promises those threats will be driven away might not only support the politician but deify him as their savior? How IDEOLOGY becomes THEOLOGY?

3. BWAHAHAHA...I'll trust Mueller's OWN words over Barr's "recollection" of the meaning of those words in some meetings. BARR????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Let's hear Barr's version when the worms start to turn and they move higher up the pole.

1. Theology is not "Christocentric". Stop babbling, it only shows your ignorance. Trump is the first pol to come up with his "America First" policies instead of being bought by the oligarchs. Your extrapolation is garbage, liking the America First policies does not "deify" Trump, it's a political battle cry of like minded patriots. Trump's populist message is popular, as opposed to Xiden's China First and Russia First policies.
2. You skipped 2, so you see I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a fan of his America First policies.
3. We got Trump, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see...

1. YOURS is.
YOU said that "theology" only involves "God"

Until you come to understand that your Christocentric view is not the only view your are wholly unqualified to discuss the topic.
And your obsession with all thing Trumpian is a clear sign you are EXACTLY the worshipper the OP references.

 

[Dadoalex]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

Whether it's Trump, Mao, Hitler or Stalin the leaders of "Cults of Personality" tend to be unpleasant.

What about MTG and the rest? Don't they remind you of the TV preachers promising to make you rich for a donation?

Sure. MTG sees the blueprint that Trump created and is absolutely running with it.

This is now much bigger than the orange buffoon.

She and the rest are the apostles in the church of Trumpology.

Like the Sunday morning preachers who will save your soul for a small donation.

Bingo. This is more than politics for them. It's a full blown lifestyle.

Enjoying your circle jerk?

Why? You volunteering for pivot-man?

I don't even know that that means, you pathetic freak.

Well then you certainly shouldn't have made the reference you ignoramus.

But, because it gives me pleasure to kick your ass....

Urban Dictionary: Pivot Man

Pivot Man: A person who is the center of attention in a Circle Jerk. Usually on his or her knees pivoting around to service the circle jerkers.

www.urbandictionary.com

Not being up on all the slang terms of sexual deviance, is... not in my book, something to be ashamed of.


Perhaps in your world, it is.


You pathetic freak.

And yet YOU INTRODUCED THE TERM "CIRCLE JERK"

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

You just admitted being ashamed of yourself!

BWAHAHAHA

yes, I was aware of the one term, that is often used to describe a nonsexual situation of people telling each other shit they all agree on and enjoying hearing other people say the same shit back to them.


That I did not know the other, more obscure term you used, is not an embarrassing fact.


My God, how pathetic you must be, if you are trying to pretend to yourself that that is a win.

You introduced the term.
Yes, it is you who should be embarrassed by your ignorance of your own reference.
BUUUUUT
What you're really angry about is that you tried your insult and it exploded in your face ...and we're back to the "pivot man."

Well, I'm not. Deal with it.


LOL!!! Angry? I'm not angry about this. I have no emotional investment is knowing the correct terminology for weird sexual acts done by perverts.

Hmmm........
Reading back your words certainly put the lie to your claim of not being angry.
I think educating yourself on your insults and claims of self aggrandizement might help with your anger issues.

Remember when you clowns were so PROUD of being TEABAGGERS
Until you found out the REAL origin of the phrase
And your ignorance became a joke on everyone's lips?

Welcome to round 2.

 

[kyzr]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.

He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.

Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Alleged "pee tape" incident wasn't the only Trump "sex party" in Russia probed by Steele: report

The Steele dossier alleged that Trump hired prostitutes in Russia and had them urinate on the bed of his hotel room

www.salon.com

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??

Steele dossier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[kyzr]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

Ya know...
I'm going to take advice or information of "God" from a Trump worshipper on the day I officially put on a stupid MAGA hat. AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPY.

Look through his posts folks. Completely fact free and demanding we accept his beliefs on faith.

He is the perfect example and proof of the OP premise.

His arguments are based purely on belief and ignores the actual factual world around him in favor of his Trump Mythology.

Here, in case you actually ever want some truth in that tiny "conservative" mind.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

1. Keep posting nonsense. I proved your OP and subsequent posts are childish.
Theology is a study of God. Your OP confuses studying God with supporting policies.
Big difference, but your simple mind doesn't understand. All you are is a partisan bullshitter.

2. I already said I'm not voting for Trump in the primaries, but would in the general because the democrat candidates are dog shit.
There's a contrast, a "theology" vs. "dog shit". I'm on the right side of that comparison.

3. The link you provided proves nothing. It tries to say that except for the OLC memo Trump would have been charged with obstruction. But Mueller can't say that. There is no there there. If there was, Trump would have been charged with obstruction after he left office. WHERE ARE THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES?? Thanks for playing, now give your mom her PC back. From your link:
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1. My how Christocentric you are! "Believing" that the "theology" only has meaning when YOUR God is involved. Did you ever consider how your "God" became "God?"
Easy enough to explain.
"God" is the tool the ignorant use to explain their world.
Rain falls from sky = God is happy
Boulder falls from mountainside kills man = God mad at man
Not the water cycle, God.
God is given credit for filling their every need and withholds his bounty when they displease him.

Can you see how people scared and angry in a changing world could respond to a person like Trump who gives voice to their fears, no matter how irrational, and promises those threats will be driven away might not only support the politician but deify him as their savior? How IDEOLOGY becomes THEOLOGY?

3. BWAHAHAHA...I'll trust Mueller's OWN words over Barr's "recollection" of the meaning of those words in some meetings. BARR????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Let's hear Barr's version when the worms start to turn and they move higher up the pole.

1. Theology is not "Christocentric". Stop babbling, it only shows your ignorance. Trump is the first pol to come up with his "America First" policies instead of being bought by the oligarchs. Your extrapolation is garbage, liking the America First policies does not "deify" Trump, it's a political battle cry of like minded patriots. Trump's populist message is popular, as opposed to Xiden's China First and Russia First policies.
2. You skipped 2, so you see I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a fan of his America First policies.
3. We got Trump, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see...

1. YOURS is.
YOU said that "theology" only involves "God"

Until you come to understand that your Christocentric view is not the only view your are wholly unqualified to discuss the topic.
And your obsession with all thing Trumpian is a clear sign you are EXACTLY the worshipper the OP references.

1. Its not that "I said" what "theology" is. Its the ******* definition of theology. Look it up! Google it. You are misusing it, like a juvenile partisan hack.

"Theology is the systematic study of the nature of the divine and, more broadly, of religious belief. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries. It occupies itself with the unique content of analyzing the supernatural, but also deals with religious epistemology, asks and seeks to answer the question of revelation"​

No mention of "Christ" in the definition of theology is there? Thanks for playing. Next time look words up before misusing them.

2. I obviously have a higher IQ than you, and obviously have better reading comprehension, which means I'm qualified to discuss this asinine topic.

3. The OP in a political forum tries to call political party a "religion". Politics is politics, religion is religion. Stop being so dense.

 

[Oddball]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

Reality bites doesn't it.
That's why I'm guessing you live in Tiny Minded "conservative" Trumplandia!
Where reality never dare show its face
Where Trump is still president
...
Sure sounds like a fun fantasy.

I described reality....You live in the land of delusions and fantasy

 

[Dadoalex]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.

He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.

Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Alleged "pee tape" incident wasn't the only Trump "sex party" in Russia probed by Steele: report

The Steele dossier alleged that Trump hired prostitutes in Russia and had them urinate on the bed of his hotel room

www.salon.com

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??

Steele dossier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?

 

[Dadoalex]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

Ya know...
I'm going to take advice or information of "God" from a Trump worshipper on the day I officially put on a stupid MAGA hat. AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPY.

Look through his posts folks. Completely fact free and demanding we accept his beliefs on faith.

He is the perfect example and proof of the OP premise.

His arguments are based purely on belief and ignores the actual factual world around him in favor of his Trump Mythology.

Here, in case you actually ever want some truth in that tiny "conservative" mind.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

1. Keep posting nonsense. I proved your OP and subsequent posts are childish.
Theology is a study of God. Your OP confuses studying God with supporting policies.
Big difference, but your simple mind doesn't understand. All you are is a partisan bullshitter.

2. I already said I'm not voting for Trump in the primaries, but would in the general because the democrat candidates are dog shit.
There's a contrast, a "theology" vs. "dog shit". I'm on the right side of that comparison.

3. The link you provided proves nothing. It tries to say that except for the OLC memo Trump would have been charged with obstruction. But Mueller can't say that. There is no there there. If there was, Trump would have been charged with obstruction after he left office. WHERE ARE THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES?? Thanks for playing, now give your mom her PC back. From your link:
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1. My how Christocentric you are! "Believing" that the "theology" only has meaning when YOUR God is involved. Did you ever consider how your "God" became "God?"
Easy enough to explain.
"God" is the tool the ignorant use to explain their world.
Rain falls from sky = God is happy
Boulder falls from mountainside kills man = God mad at man
Not the water cycle, God.
God is given credit for filling their every need and withholds his bounty when they displease him.

Can you see how people scared and angry in a changing world could respond to a person like Trump who gives voice to their fears, no matter how irrational, and promises those threats will be driven away might not only support the politician but deify him as their savior? How IDEOLOGY becomes THEOLOGY?

3. BWAHAHAHA...I'll trust Mueller's OWN words over Barr's "recollection" of the meaning of those words in some meetings. BARR????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Let's hear Barr's version when the worms start to turn and they move higher up the pole.

1. Theology is not "Christocentric". Stop babbling, it only shows your ignorance. Trump is the first pol to come up with his "America First" policies instead of being bought by the oligarchs. Your extrapolation is garbage, liking the America First policies does not "deify" Trump, it's a political battle cry of like minded patriots. Trump's populist message is popular, as opposed to Xiden's China First and Russia First policies.
2. You skipped 2, so you see I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a fan of his America First policies.
3. We got Trump, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see...

1. YOURS is.
YOU said that "theology" only involves "God"

Until you come to understand that your Christocentric view is not the only view your are wholly unqualified to discuss the topic.
And your obsession with all thing Trumpian is a clear sign you are EXACTLY the worshipper the OP references.

1. Its not that "I said" what "theology" is. Its the ******* definition of theology. Look it up! Google it. You are misusing it, like a juvenile partisan hack.

"Theology is the systematic study of the nature of the divine and, more broadly, of religious belief. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries. It occupies itself with the unique content of analyzing the supernatural, but also deals with religious epistemology, asks and seeks to answer the question of revelation"​

No mention of "Christ" in the definition of theology is there? Thanks for playing. Next time look words up before misusing them.

2. I obviously have a higher IQ than you, and obviously have better reading comprehension, which means I'm qualified to discuss this asinine topic.

3. The OP in a political forum tries to call political party a "religion". Politics is politics, religion is religion. Stop being so dense.

1. You said "theology involves god." I pointed out that that view is Christocentric. There are thousands of known religions with an uncountable number of deities. Until you can accept that as a reality you're not qualified to participate.
2. As my coaches used to say "I don't give a fluck what you can't do and I don't give a sh*t about what you can do. I care about what you Do when you cross those lines," Your IQ is still in the locker room.
If the topic is beyond your ability to understand, blame the education you received and move on.

 

[Correll]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.

I didn't address gun rights.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.

Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.

You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?

Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.

Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.

Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.

The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.

Fiscal conservatism works.

W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....

W was not a conservative.

And neither are you....

My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.

You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.

You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.

Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."

The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.

But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

But how?
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?

BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."

That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).


So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.


Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.

I've been pointing it out for years.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.

AND

The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?

Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?

Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.

Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".

I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.


Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.


Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.


He got a lot of support from white members of that group.


That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.

No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on

Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises

53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.

Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.

Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.

To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.

Your idiocy is noted. Nothing you said there addressed anything I said. All you did was spam your hate and bigotry.

My point stands, you fucktard.

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

Trump gave tax cuts to the wealthy and lied his ass off to the coal miners.

The topic is a libtard claiming is was wacism.

Not even close.
But there you go with those insults you claim you never use.
To defend the racism you claim you never use.

I try to never use them FIRST. When assholes are being assholes, they do not deserve to be treated civily.

INdeed, given them something they have not earned, cheapens the very act of civility.

 

[Correll]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Missed the topic by a mile. Try again.

Your OP misses reality by a mile. Try answering my post.

Your post is proof of the OP. Your refusal to acknowledge that you’re part of the problem is proof of the problem.

Your post has no content. Your vapid posts offer no proof of anything. My posts are undisputed PROOFs. Thanks for playing.

Got reading?

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.

I didn't address gun rights.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.

Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.

You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?

Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.

Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.

Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.

The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.

Fiscal conservatism works.

W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....

W was not a conservative.

And neither are you....

My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.

You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.

You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.

Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."

The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.

But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

But how?
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?

BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."

That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).


So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.


Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.

I've been pointing it out for years.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.

AND

The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?

Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?

Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.

Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".

I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.


Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.


Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.


He got a lot of support from white members of that group.


That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.

No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on

Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises

53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.

Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.

Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.

To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.

Your idiocy is noted. Nothing you said there addressed anything I said. All you did was spam your hate and bigotry.

My point stands, you fucktard.

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

Had everything to do with winning the primaries.
Primaries are the only thing that counts now in Trumplandia.

Your ignorance, willful or just because you're a tiny minded "conservative" is why the GOP recruited you and people just like you into the party.

I didn't mention Trump's policies in the OP?
I simply said that Trump RECOGNIZED what the GOP had become and how to monetize it.
How many of you idiots are STILL sending him money?
For what?
To overturn an election that was decided months ago?
HOW FUCKIN STUPID IS THAT?

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

And if that's not that "old time religion"
Then I ain't never seen it.

As I said, Trump ran on teh serious issues of trade and immigration.

That you can't respect or even accept that, is about you being so radicalized and such a partisan hack.


Your post above, did not address anything I have said, and was just a pile of shit talking points that a spam bot could have done better.

Trump ran on racism
He made promises but his sole campaign issue was racism.
You bought it because he was spewing in public the hate you've been spewing behind pseudonyms for years.
You ignored his history of destroying every business he's ever been involved with
You ignored his public connections to Russia

I'm not required to respond to your attempt to take the thread off the rail.

But I do note that YOU refused to respond to direct questions regarding the ACTUAL TOPIC. for your convenience:

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

Yet the black guy was able to infiltrate the mob of hard core Trump supporters.

Funny how little racism there was there.

Think about it. If Trumps appeal was all about wacism, that means that this is a very wacist country.


Of that huge wacist country, what kind of person would be motivated enough to go to a protest to support a President who already lost the election?

Those people most have been the most wacist, if your belief is correct.


AND, of that group, the very tiny fraction, angry enough to cross teh line into rioters, and fight police and storm the capital, they must have been even MORE wacist then the most wacist, wasisty people imaginable.

IF you belief is correct.


Yet, the black guy had no problem just showing up, with his trump hat, and being part of the mob.


The reality is, that you are holding on to your belief, DESPITE reality.

Put on a red hat and you dumbasses would accept Nancy Pelosi as part of your mob.
As a group, you're just that stupid.

Maybe we are. BUT, we are not racist. THe black guy was accepted without question.

That is the point I was asking you to comment on.


Why are you fighting this good news? The FACT, demonstrates that the core, the most rabid supporters of what you believed to be the party of racism in this country,

is not actually racist. THey had no problem with a black guy joining them.


If you were really anti-racist, I would think, you would be shouting and dancing in glee at this news.

PULLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZE!!!!!!!!!!!
Racists in foxholes don't give a damn about the guy next to them as long as their guns are pointed in the same direction.
That is until the shooting's over.
THEN
They'll hang the "******" for helping them kill White people.
It is who you are.
Maybe understanding who you are can help you change who you will be.
Helped me.

You are holding to your beliefs, just because you enjoy them, because they give you an excuse to be an asshole to people you hate.


As the gap between your stated positions/worldview and reality grows, you get more desperate and more ridiculous.

 

[kyzr]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.

1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You ******* leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.

The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so ******* programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.

Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.

At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.

He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.

Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Alleged "pee tape" incident wasn't the only Trump "sex party" in Russia probed by Steele: report

The Steele dossier alleged that Trump hired prostitutes in Russia and had them urinate on the bed of his hotel room

www.salon.com

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??

Steele dossier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?

Theology is the study of "God". The OP is about politics. Never the twain shall meet. The OP just a bad attempt at political satire:
Redneck Trump supporters "cling to their guns and religion".

 

[kyzr]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.

We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.

You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.

Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's *****) is "Russia First".

Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.

1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's ***** Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's ***** stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Opium of the people - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thanks for proving my thesis.

1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.

1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's *****. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.


3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.

1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.

1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.

Keystone XL

On June 9, 2021, TC Energy confirmed that after a comprehensive review of its options, and in consultation with its partner, the Government of Alberta, it has terminated the Keystone XL Pipeline Project (the Project).

www.keystonexl.com

6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.

You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.

1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a ******* lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.

New DOJ Memo Debunks Media Narrative That Bill Barr Buried Obstruction Of Justice Charges Against Trump | Conservative America Today

conservativeamericatoday.com

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

Ya know...
I'm going to take advice or information of "God" from a Trump worshipper on the day I officially put on a stupid MAGA hat. AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPY.

Look through his posts folks. Completely fact free and demanding we accept his beliefs on faith.

He is the perfect example and proof of the OP premise.

His arguments are based purely on belief and ignores the actual factual world around him in favor of his Trump Mythology.

Here, in case you actually ever want some truth in that tiny "conservative" mind.

Mueller clarifies comments on whether he could indict Trump

The special counsel's report said he never came to a determination about whether the president should be charged because of DOJ rules.

www.nbcnews.com

1. Keep posting nonsense. I proved your OP and subsequent posts are childish.
Theology is a study of God. Your OP confuses studying God with supporting policies.
Big difference, but your simple mind doesn't understand. All you are is a partisan bullshitter.

2. I already said I'm not voting for Trump in the primaries, but would in the general because the democrat candidates are dog shit.
There's a contrast, a "theology" vs. "dog shit". I'm on the right side of that comparison.

3. The link you provided proves nothing. It tries to say that except for the OLC memo Trump would have been charged with obstruction. But Mueller can't say that. There is no there there. If there was, Trump would have been charged with obstruction after he left office. WHERE ARE THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES?? Thanks for playing, now give your mom her PC back. From your link:
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1. My how Christocentric you are! "Believing" that the "theology" only has meaning when YOUR God is involved. Did you ever consider how your "God" became "God?"
Easy enough to explain.
"God" is the tool the ignorant use to explain their world.
Rain falls from sky = God is happy
Boulder falls from mountainside kills man = God mad at man
Not the water cycle, God.
God is given credit for filling their every need and withholds his bounty when they displease him.

Can you see how people scared and angry in a changing world could respond to a person like Trump who gives voice to their fears, no matter how irrational, and promises those threats will be driven away might not only support the politician but deify him as their savior? How IDEOLOGY becomes THEOLOGY?

3. BWAHAHAHA...I'll trust Mueller's OWN words over Barr's "recollection" of the meaning of those words in some meetings. BARR????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Let's hear Barr's version when the worms start to turn and they move higher up the pole.

1. Theology is not "Christocentric". Stop babbling, it only shows your ignorance. Trump is the first pol to come up with his "America First" policies instead of being bought by the oligarchs. Your extrapolation is garbage, liking the America First policies does not "deify" Trump, it's a political battle cry of like minded patriots. Trump's populist message is popular, as opposed to Xiden's China First and Russia First policies.
2. You skipped 2, so you see I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a fan of his America First policies.
3. We got Trump, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see...

1. YOURS is.
YOU said that "theology" only involves "God"

Until you come to understand that your Christocentric view is not the only view your are wholly unqualified to discuss the topic.
And your obsession with all thing Trumpian is a clear sign you are EXACTLY the worshipper the OP references.

1. Its not that "I said" what "theology" is. Its the ******* definition of theology. Look it up! Google it. You are misusing it, like a juvenile partisan hack.

"Theology is the systematic study of the nature of the divine and, more broadly, of religious belief. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries. It occupies itself with the unique content of analyzing the supernatural, but also deals with religious epistemology, asks and seeks to answer the question of revelation"​

No mention of "Christ" in the definition of theology is there? Thanks for playing. Next time look words up before misusing them.

2. I obviously have a higher IQ than you, and obviously have better reading comprehension, which means I'm qualified to discuss this asinine topic.

3. The OP in a political forum tries to call political party a "religion". Politics is politics, religion is religion. Stop being so dense.

1. You said "theology involves god." I pointed out that that view is Christocentric. There are thousands of known religions with an uncountable number of deities. Until you can accept that as a reality you're not qualified to participate.
2. As my coaches used to say "I don't give a fluck what you can't do and I don't give a sh*t about what you can do. I care about what you Do when you cross those lines," Your IQ is still in the locker room.
If the topic is beyond your ability to understand, blame the education you received and move on.

1. Your post is nonsense. I said theology is "the study of God". You said "that view is Christocentric", which is wrong, then you say "there are thousands of deities". If that makes any sense to you, i.e. Christocentric = thousands of deities? Stop throwing words around that you don't know the meaning of.

2. Trying to label Trump's supporters "religious zealots" is just ridiculous. Ever hear of the 1st Commandment? Of course not.

 

[Dadoalex]

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.

I didn't address gun rights.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.

Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.

You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?

Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.

Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.

Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.

The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.

Fiscal conservatism works.

W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....

W was not a conservative.

And neither are you....

My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.

You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.

You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.

Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."

The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.

But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

But how?
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?

BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."

That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).


So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.


Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.

I've been pointing it out for years.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.

AND

The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?

Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?

Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.

Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".

I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.


Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.


Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.


He got a lot of support from white members of that group.


That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.

No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on

Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises

53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.

Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.

Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.

To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.

Your idiocy is noted. Nothing you said there addressed anything I said. All you did was spam your hate and bigotry.

My point stands, you fucktard.

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

Trump gave tax cuts to the wealthy and lied his ass off to the coal miners.

The topic is a libtard claiming is was wacism.

Not even close.
But there you go with those insults you claim you never use.
To defend the racism you claim you never use.

I try to never use them FIRST. When assholes are being assholes, they do not deserve to be treated civily.

INdeed, given them something they have not earned, cheapens the very act of civility.

Ands, there you go again.
You are one racist hypocritic cheeto-head aren't you.

 

[Dadoalex]

Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Missed the topic by a mile. Try again.

Your OP misses reality by a mile. Try answering my post.

Your post is proof of the OP. Your refusal to acknowledge that you’re part of the problem is proof of the problem.

Your post has no content. Your vapid posts offer no proof of anything. My posts are undisputed PROOFs. Thanks for playing.

Got reading?

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.

I didn't address gun rights.
I pointed out the silos of religious adherents within the party and their willingness to subvert their own well being to gain members in their church.

Might want to reread the OP and this time read to understand before your respond.

You do know that prior to 1994 guns were not that big a thing in GOP circles. No?
You do know that lowering taxes DOES NOT increase revenues. No?

Pretty sure you're the topic of the thread.

Gun rights became a bigger issue in 1994 because democrats started pushing more gun control. The issue was always there. It is a central part of every long term republican.

Taxes and spending go together. Reagan tried to get tax and spending cuts, but the dem controlled congress under crook Jim wright and KKK cyclops senate majority leader and Biden bestest buddy Robert Byrd, the KKKing of pork, added back massive spending.

The true concept of fiscal conservatism was only tried during Bill Clinton, because newt stuck him with those budgets, tax and spending cut budgets. What did that do? Booming economy and budget surplus.

Fiscal conservatism works.

W tried tax cuts and massive massive LBJ caliber big government spending/socialism, and that is the disaster America is yet to recover from....

W was not a conservative.

And neither are you....

My wife likes to point out to me, that Newt was able to say no, TO A PRESIDENT FROM THE OTHER PARTY.

You give republicans both Congress AND the presidency, and it seems that they cannot resist either.

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.

This is rich, coming from the party that worships The State.

You guys in the Trump cult have no problem using the power of the state to interfere in the private affairs of citizens and corporations because culture war.

Just look at all the "conservatives" salivating over Ron DeSantis signing a law that interferes in the internal affairs of "Big Tech."

The GQP has become an authoritarian cult of personality movement steeped in grievance. It has nothing to do with libertarian values.

But I'm sure you have to keep telling yourself otherwise because cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

But how?
How did we get from Bush 41 to Trump?

BTW..I know the answer. Starts with the "Southern Strategy."

That makes no sense. IF you are a believer in the Southern Strategy conspiracy theory, then it supposedly has been part of EVERY gop platform since nixon, (at least).


So, you are just throwing out partisan shit now.


Which supports my point, that you people are so partisan that it encourages anger from us.

I've been pointing it out for years.
IT HAS been part of the GOP since 69.

AND

The people the GOP was recruiting could easily be described as DAMNED STUPID.
But the GOP winked, promised their fantasies of an all White America would be fulfilled and they could have power again...
Took a while to the late 80s for the stupid to reach critical mass
and it's been downhill into the religious morass the party is stuck in today.

Do you believe Trump won the 2020 election?
Why? What overwhelming body of evidence has convinced you?
OR
Do you believe it because Trump told you so?

Do you believe there was no Russian collusion?
Again, what mountain of evidence convinced you?
Or was it, Again, Trump telling you so while hiding the evidence?

Don't blame me for seeing what you are.
Open your eyes and see for yourself.

Errr, you made teh claim that we went from Bush to Trump, because "southern strategy".

I pointed out that that made no sense, because supposedly if you believe in that debunked Conspiracy Theory than it would have bene a constant during that entire time not the cause of a change.


Your second post, in response, made even less sense. It seems to be just a bucket of anti-GOP talking points, throw at the wall by a monkey, hoping to create some sort of negative.... spin.


Trump ran on clear and strong policies, crafted to serve the interests of working class Americans.


He got a lot of support from white members of that group.


That anyone has trouble understand that, is they being closed minded fools.

No, I didn't. I said it STARTED with the Southern Strategy.
Then it was abortion nuts
Then it was ant-science nuts starting with smoking
and on and on and on

Same recruiting methods
Same moronic targets
Same promises

53% of the GOP believes Trump won in 2020.
53%!
No evidence to support those beliefs
TONS of evidence those beliefs are wrong
YET
They cling to those beliefs because they know that real soon now
There will be a Second Coming.

Care to wager on what % of the 53% are rabid evangelicals?

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

So working class voters thing Mexicans are rapists? Drug dealers?
Don't be ignorant. Not a good look.

Trump recognized what the GOP had devolved into.
He recognized the racism, economic ignorance, narcissism and the other traits dominating the party and spoke the words publicly that the GOP has been whispering for 50 years.

To deny where the GOP was and is either ignorant or dishonest.
To deny that Trump's play was always a grift, that he never intended to win, that he had no idea how to lead and showed it every day is, again, ignorance or dishonesty.

Your idiocy is noted. Nothing you said there addressed anything I said. All you did was spam your hate and bigotry.

My point stands, you fucktard.

Trump ran on appealing to working class Americans, a group that has been much ignored over the last few decades.

Your talk of Southern Strategy or Abortion has nothing to do with his winning the primaries, or the election.

Your need to believe that your enemies are stupid or "Rabid" is a weakness on your part.


Your anti-Christian bigotry is funny, considering the tens of millions of religious lefties that march with you on all issues.

Had everything to do with winning the primaries.
Primaries are the only thing that counts now in Trumplandia.

Your ignorance, willful or just because you're a tiny minded "conservative" is why the GOP recruited you and people just like you into the party.

I didn't mention Trump's policies in the OP?
I simply said that Trump RECOGNIZED what the GOP had become and how to monetize it.
How many of you idiots are STILL sending him money?
For what?
To overturn an election that was decided months ago?
HOW FUCKIN STUPID IS THAT?

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

And if that's not that "old time religion"
Then I ain't never seen it.

As I said, Trump ran on teh serious issues of trade and immigration.

That you can't respect or even accept that, is about you being so radicalized and such a partisan hack.


Your post above, did not address anything I have said, and was just a pile of shit talking points that a spam bot could have done better.

Trump ran on racism
He made promises but his sole campaign issue was racism.
You bought it because he was spewing in public the hate you've been spewing behind pseudonyms for years.
You ignored his history of destroying every business he's ever been involved with
You ignored his public connections to Russia

I'm not required to respond to your attempt to take the thread off the rail.

But I do note that YOU refused to respond to direct questions regarding the ACTUAL TOPIC. for your convenience:

And WHY do you believe the election was stolen?
What RESPONSIBLE party has provided that information?
ZERO-NONE-NYET (for you Trump types)
You people believe it because Trump said it.
That's it. No evidence, no support from the people responsible, just Trump said it.

Yet the black guy was able to infiltrate the mob of hard core Trump supporters.

Funny how little racism there was there.

Think about it. If Trumps appeal was all about wacism, that means that this is a very wacist country.


Of that huge wacist country, what kind of person would be motivated enough to go to a protest to support a President who already lost the election?

Those people most have been the most wacist, if your belief is correct.


AND, of that group, the very tiny fraction, angry enough to cross teh line into rioters, and fight police and storm the capital, they must have been even MORE wacist then the most wacist, wasisty people imaginable.

IF you belief is correct.


Yet, the black guy had no problem just showing up, with his trump hat, and being part of the mob.


The reality is, that you are holding on to your belief, DESPITE reality.

Put on a red hat and you dumbasses would accept Nancy Pelosi as part of your mob.
As a group, you're just that stupid.

Maybe we are. BUT, we are not racist. THe black guy was accepted without question.

That is the point I was asking you to comment on.


Why are you fighting this good news? The FACT, demonstrates that the core, the most rabid supporters of what you believed to be the party of racism in this country,

is not actually racist. THey had no problem with a black guy joining them.


If you were really anti-racist, I would think, you would be shouting and dancing in glee at this news.

PULLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZE!!!!!!!!!!!
Racists in foxholes don't give a damn about the guy next to them as long as their guns are pointed in the same direction.
That is until the shooting's over.
THEN
They'll hang the "******" for helping them kill White people.
It is who you are.
Maybe understanding who you are can help you change who you will be.
Helped me.

You are holding to your beliefs, just because you enjoy them, because they give you an excuse to be an asshole to people you hate.


As the gap between your stated positions/worldview and reality grows, you get more desperate and more ridiculous.

Beliefs?
Where have I stated my beliefs?
This thread makes observations of actual factual reality and makes an effort to explain the reality as it exists.
That you are part of the Trump's religious cult and, as such, are incapable of recognizing the world as it is, is why you cannot fathom the delta between your worship of God and your adulation of Trump. In your damaged mind, Trump and God are one and the same.

"Tell me again daddy how Trump was cheated in 2020"

Obviously as a prime example of the OP premise you are woefully inadequately prepared to discuss the topic with any degree of intelligence.