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When Ideology become Theology

kyzr

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Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.
1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You fucking leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?
Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.
The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so fucking programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.
Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.
We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.
You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.
Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's Bitch) is "Russia First".
Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.
1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's Bitch stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Thanks for proving my thesis.
1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.
1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.

3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.
1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.
1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.
6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.
You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.
1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a fucking lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.
Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.
At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.
He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.
Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??
What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?
Theology is the study of "God". The OP is about politics. Never the twain shall meet. The OP just a bad attempt at political satire:
Redneck Trump supporters "cling to their guns and religion".
OP is a collections of observations of the reality in which we all live and a logically formed theory to explain the disconnect of the GOP base from actual factual reality.
As a prime example of the True Believer described in the OP you are unable to free your mind to consider a world beyond your Trumpism and, as such, are unprepared to discuss the topic with any intelligence.

OH, and what Obama said? The dead on truth.
1. The OP trying to call Trump supporters religious zealots is NOT reality. Most are probably Christians, so the OP totally misses the mark trying to call them "Trump worshipers" instead of Church going Christians. Factual reality is that Trump won in 2016, and could easily have won in 2020. You will definitely get a reality check in 2022 and 2024.

2. Convince me that Trump's policies are not the best policies for the US. "America First" works for me. Russia First and China First apparently are your preferred policies. Here are an few more democrat policy preferences that I logically oppose, so tell me why you prefer these idiotic policies over Trump's policies.
Open Border immigration policies
Defund the police
Green Energy policies
Smaller Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
Russia First by allowing Putin to modernize his military using Nord Stream 2 cash
China First trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
You've been told this thread is not about Trump.
Trump in this thread could be replaced be any "Cult of Personality" from the last hundred years.
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Hitler

All of them became more important than any cause in the eyes of their worshippers and this adulation allowed them to commit unthinkable crimes in their followers names.

Now it is obvious you're to engrossed in your cult to provide anything other than a warning to others.
1. This thread is obviously about Trump. None of your others are Republicans.
2. You are simply wrong. Trump policies are important, Trump's personality is the problem.
3. Comparing Trump to Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Hitler just lost you the debate.
I win by Godwin's Law. Thanks for playing.
Mao's the only Chinese
So????????????
You could win by wiping your butt for a change but the crap you spewed here don't do it.

Imagining that a list is a comparison doesn't make it a comparison. That happened only in your mind.
Thread's not about Trump policies. No matter how hard you try to deflect from the topic.

But you just go on dreaming that you beat anything but off.

EDIT....
WAIT, I remember...

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE THE TRUMP HITLER COMPARISON.

Therefore by your own logic

You lost a week ago!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Another moron trapped by his own rhetoric.
Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.
1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You fucking leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?
Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.
The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so fucking programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.
Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.
We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.
You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.
Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's Bitch) is "Russia First".
Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.
1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's Bitch stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Thanks for proving my thesis.
1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.
1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.

3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.
1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.
1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.
6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.
You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.
1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a fucking lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.
Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.
At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.
He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.
Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??
What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?
Theology is the study of "God". The OP is about politics. Never the twain shall meet. The OP just a bad attempt at political satire:
Redneck Trump supporters "cling to their guns and religion".
OP is a collections of observations of the reality in which we all live and a logically formed theory to explain the disconnect of the GOP base from actual factual reality.
As a prime example of the True Believer described in the OP you are unable to free your mind to consider a world beyond your Trumpism and, as such, are unprepared to discuss the topic with any intelligence.

OH, and what Obama said? The dead on truth.
1. The OP trying to call Trump supporters religious zealots is NOT reality. Most are probably Christians, so the OP totally misses the mark trying to call them "Trump worshipers" instead of Church going Christians. Factual reality is that Trump won in 2016, and could easily have won in 2020. You will definitely get a reality check in 2022 and 2024.

2. Convince me that Trump's policies are not the best policies for the US. "America First" works for me. Russia First and China First apparently are your preferred policies. Here are an few more democrat policy preferences that I logically oppose, so tell me why you prefer these idiotic policies over Trump's policies.
Open Border immigration policies
Defund the police
Green Energy policies
Smaller Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
Russia First by allowing Putin to modernize his military using Nord Stream 2 cash
China First trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
You've been told this thread is not about Trump.
Trump in this thread could be replaced be any "Cult of Personality" from the last hundred years.
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Hitler

All of them became more important than any cause in the eyes of their worshippers and this adulation allowed them to commit unthinkable crimes in their followers names.

Now it is obvious you're to engrossed in your cult to provide anything other than a warning to others.
1. This thread is obviously about Trump. None of your others are Republicans.
2. You are simply wrong. Trump policies are important, Trump's personality is the problem.
3. Comparing Trump to Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Hitler just lost you the debate.
I win by Godwin's Law. Thanks for playing.

Trump is the exception to Goodwins law to prove the rule. Trump really is a fascist and a white supremacist and a danger to humanity.

Do you like 40,000 people up in concentration camps on the border and left them there for two fucking years.

They were rapes, beatings, and medical experiments performed on these poor people.

The court ordered him to stop separating children from their parents and he refused. When DHS staff refused to carry out his illegal orders, he replaced them with for-profit prison staff who were more inclined to be abusive for the right cash.

Last but not least, after he was thrown out of office in the election, he tried to stage a coup to take over the government permanently. Trump has earned the world’s scorn and derision.

You put blinkers on and ignored all of it. Or maybe you liked it and you’re just pretending you didn’t know. Neither scenario makes you look terribly bright or astute.
1. Trump got more black votes than any Republican. Your "racist" lies are easy to disprove.
2. If there were 40,000 people in holding pens they shouldn't have broken US law
3. Link please for medical experiments on migrants. Probably not beyond Fauci and NIH's Collins
4. The courts ordered the separation of adults and children, called the Flores Agreement, dumbass
5. The "insurrection" was a "protest". Real Insurrections use guns.
6. I'm voting Trump if he's the nominee against Kamala. Its the smarter choice for the US.

1. Yes 13% of the black vote. Big whoop. 87% voted against him, even with his lies, and promises. I called that an overwhelming number.

2. 40,000 people being kept at a cost to taxpayers of $700 per day per person. For the crime of crossing the border illegally, a misdemeanor. You don’t lock people up for jaywalking but Trump locked up 40,000 people for a misdeamor. $1 billion a year pissed away keeping these non-criminal people incarcerated.

This is why Republicans are such fiscal disasters. You probably think this is a good use of the money.

3. ICE whistleblower: Mexico investigating US immigrant 'sterilisations'

4. No it did not. That’s a lie.

5. They had guns. Read the arrest reports.

6. Anyone who votes for Trump is a complete idiot but thanks for admitting that you have issues with smart strong black women.

You keep trying to put lipstick on the pig of your racism but it shines through in your sub text every single time.
1. I disproved your calling Trump a racist. QED.
2. Reducing the gang violence and opposing the drug cartels, including human trafficking is worth the cost. Not to mention securing the southern border from potential terrorists.
3. Stay out of the US, or apply legally and bad things don't happen.
4. You lie. I proved the court ruling with a link.
5. There were no guns used by anyone but the murderer of unarmed Ashli Babbitt.
6. Before covid Trump had the US in great shape. I'd vote for him over Kamala, who is NOT a smart strong black woman. Candace Owens is a smart strong black woman.
7. Prove that my posts are racist. You can't. Thanks for playing. Namecalling is what stupid immature people do.

Keep spewing the DNC lies and I'll keep proving you wrong.
 
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Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.
1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You fucking leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?
Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.
The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so fucking programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.
Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.
We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.
You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.
Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's Bitch) is "Russia First".
Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.
1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's Bitch stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Thanks for proving my thesis.
1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.
1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.

3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.
1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.
1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.
6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.
You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.
1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a fucking lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.
Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.
At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.
He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.
Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??
What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?
Theology is the study of "God". The OP is about politics. Never the twain shall meet. The OP just a bad attempt at political satire:
Redneck Trump supporters "cling to their guns and religion".
OP is a collections of observations of the reality in which we all live and a logically formed theory to explain the disconnect of the GOP base from actual factual reality.
As a prime example of the True Believer described in the OP you are unable to free your mind to consider a world beyond your Trumpism and, as such, are unprepared to discuss the topic with any intelligence.

OH, and what Obama said? The dead on truth.
1. The OP trying to call Trump supporters religious zealots is NOT reality. Most are probably Christians, so the OP totally misses the mark trying to call them "Trump worshipers" instead of Church going Christians. Factual reality is that Trump won in 2016, and could easily have won in 2020. You will definitely get a reality check in 2022 and 2024.

2. Convince me that Trump's policies are not the best policies for the US. "America First" works for me. Russia First and China First apparently are your preferred policies. Here are an few more democrat policy preferences that I logically oppose, so tell me why you prefer these idiotic policies over Trump's policies.
Open Border immigration policies
Defund the police
Green Energy policies
Smaller Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
Russia First by allowing Putin to modernize his military using Nord Stream 2 cash
China First trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
You've been told this thread is not about Trump.
Trump in this thread could be replaced be any "Cult of Personality" from the last hundred years.
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Hitler

All of them became more important than any cause in the eyes of their worshippers and this adulation allowed them to commit unthinkable crimes in their followers names.

Now it is obvious you're to engrossed in your cult to provide anything other than a warning to others.
1. This thread is obviously about Trump. None of your others are Republicans.
2. You are simply wrong. Trump policies are important, Trump's personality is the problem.
3. Comparing Trump to Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Hitler just lost you the debate.
I win by Godwin's Law. Thanks for playing.
Mao's the only Chinese
So????????????
You could win by wiping your butt for a change but the crap you spewed here don't do it.

Imagining that a list is a comparison doesn't make it a comparison. That happened only in your mind.
Thread's not about Trump policies. No matter how hard you try to deflect from the topic.

But you just go on dreaming that you beat anything but off.

EDIT....
WAIT, I remember...

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE THE TRUMP HITLER COMPARISON.

Therefore by your own logic

You lost a week ago!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

Another moron trapped by his own rhetoric.
Your OP only looks at one party, when there are two major parties in the US. The battlelines have been drawn for years. The current battle is not fought with bullets, but with votes and policies successfully passed, like taking "Hamburger Hill" again and again. The animosity between the Shia and Sunni pales in comparison.
To disprove your apparent contention that the GOP is full of mindless rubes adoring all things Trump to the point of a religion. Let me suggest to you that Trump may not win the 2024 nomination. I won't vote for him in the primary, but if he is the GOP nominee I will vote for him over an 82 year old Xiden or racist-socialist Kamala Harris.
The main points you missed are the major policy differences that the parties are using to garner votes. Trump and Xiden are the "generals" putting up strategy and rationale' and resources why their policies are good and the other parties' policies are horrible.
Here is a short list of major policy differences where you need to pick one party or the other. Remember, it matters not who is in the oval office signing the legislation, what matters most is which policies are passed into law:
Defund the police
Border and immigration policies
Energy policies
Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Law and Order vs Anarchy
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
God vs atheism
China and trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
Totally turning the US into a socialist/failed state.
Packing the US Supreme Court with Leftists

Only one party has lost its mind and is refusing to govern.

I don’t expect you to even admit this is the problem because you’re one of the strictest adherence to this religion. Witness your response.

You complain about packing the supreme court when the Supreme Court has already been packed with conservatives. Merrick Garland was refused so much is a meeting by Mitch McConnell.

McConnell stole 2 seats on the Court so that it now needs to be rebalanced. You immediately call this “packing the court” Well denying what McConnell has been doing for the past 10 years.
1. RBG had many years to retire gracefully to allow her seat to stay liberal. She gambled and lost. Legally replacing a USSC justice is NOT packing the court. Adding justices to ensure outcomes is the definition of "packing the court".

2. McConnell let the voters decide how to fill the other vacancy, and the voters decided. Again, NOT packing the USSC.

3. Breyer is now 82, and he has no plans to retire. If the dems lose the senate in 2022, as is likely, then the dems would likely lose another seat, again, NOT PACKING since replacing justices while keeping only 9 justices is totally legitimate. Maybe Breyer knows that the GOP finds better justices, otherwise why isn't he retiring at 82?

4. Supporting traditional values isn't a "religion". You fucking leftists are really quick to label others. Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?
Maybe you should look in a mirror occasionally?

If they did so (including the OP) they'd recognize that they are ones engaging in the theology of worship of The State...So much so that they actually believe that all its institutions are their rightful property.
The illogical nature of their arguments is what mystifies me. There is no content, just DNC talking points and insults, like its Jr-Hi. Even the MSM asks Joe about his ice cream flavors instead of serious questions. There is no debate or search for truth, just fake news and fake people.
For people who brag about their "critical thinking" prowess. They are so fucking programmed that they actually think math is racist because it doesn't support their Leftist policies and talking points.

Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things, instead of the latest outrage that FOX and the rest the right wing media feeds you. Are they broadcasting the daily Press Briefings, and speeches by various members of the Administration.

Exactly what questions aren't being answered to your satisfaction? Perhaps if you tried reading the Government Websites, watched the speeches, or even read the transcripts of them, you might find that all of the answers you seek are already there.

There is a televised White House press briefing every day, where members of the Administration answer questions from the press.

The Vice-President has provided regular updates on the immigration crisis at the Southern Border.

Secretary Blinken was on TV this week talking about his trip to the Middle East, and the initiatives there.

The President and VP, as well as senior cabinet members, like Secretary Buttigieg, are meeting with governors and mayors around the country discussing their infrastructure plans. They're on TV every day discussion these programs and answering questions.

You should try paying attention, instead of spending all of your time here, whining about shit.
Perhaps you should watch Biden's speeches, where he explains things...

I have...He's a fumbling, stammering, sputtering buffoon, who has next to no command of any facts that aren't put up on the glass....And he can't even spit that out coherently half of the time...He doesnt know the name of his own Defense Secretary and calls the Pentagon "that outfit".

Yet twirps like you lap it up as though he's Moses descending from the Temple Mount.

And you have the temerity to deride the Trumpsters as "cultists".

I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.
We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.
You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.
Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's Bitch) is "Russia First".
Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.
1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's Bitch stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Thanks for proving my thesis.
1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.
1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.

3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.
1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.
1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.
6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.
You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.
1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a fucking lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.

I love how you parrot the lies being fed to you by the Right Wing Billionaire media. I know this because you're parroting the "underlying crimes" lie which Barr commented on but which has no basis in law or in fact.

There is no requirement for an "underlying crime" for justice to be obstructed. It can also reasonably be argued that if not for Trump's obstruction and witness tampering, more evidence would have been uncovered leading to charges. You're saying that if a criminal obstructs the investigation to the point of hiding evidence (already proven in this case), that the criminal should not be charged with that obstruction.

That makes no sense legally. What you're saying is that if your obstruction blocks the investigation, to the point where evidence needed to file charges against you is withheld, or witnesses perjure themselves on your behalf to hide evidence, then you can get away with it. The law doesn't work that way.

William Barr was NEVER a prosecutor or a trial lawyer. His Charging Memo was ordered release because he lied to the Judge and to the American people in their charging decision. That Memo, and Judge Sullivan wants it made public. He also covered up the findings of the Mueller Report and lied about its contents too.

That you continue to parrot the lies, shows that you've simply accepted the lies and continue to promote them. Be smarter.

Muller on why he didn't indict Trump.
Muller didn't know whether he was on foot or horseback, let alone could he have come up with that dreck on his own...The daft fossil didn't even know what was in his own report when grilled by a Senate panel.
At a senate hearing Mueller had no clue who Fusion GPS was?! WTF? If he was investigating "Russian Interference" in the 2016 election, how could he NOT investigate the Steele Dossier? ANS: Mueller was a figurehead for the democrats' hit squad led by Andrew Weissman, who were only interested in Trump. Mission FAIL, see Weissman's book for details <g>.
He was not investigating Trumpian fantasies.
He was investigating Trump's reasoning for obstructing the FBI investigation into Flynn.
Had nothing to do with FUSION GPS.
So...
Relevant much?
I'll guess no.
Please read up on the Steele Dossier, including the money trail, and working with the Russians. Mueller was a partisan HACK.
You do recall the "pee tape"? Not Russian disinformation, just like Hunter's laptop, huh?

Here's the Steel Dossier written by Russians, paid for by Hillary and the DNC. That Mueller ignored! WTF!! How can you investigate Russian interference w/o obvious collusion??
What's it got to do with the OP?
Will it come back round to the OP or is it just a distraction?
"The OP is about when ideology crosses over to become theology. Will this promote thee op?
Theology is the study of "God". The OP is about politics. Never the twain shall meet. The OP just a bad attempt at political satire:
Redneck Trump supporters "cling to their guns and religion".
OP is a collections of observations of the reality in which we all live and a logically formed theory to explain the disconnect of the GOP base from actual factual reality.
As a prime example of the True Believer described in the OP you are unable to free your mind to consider a world beyond your Trumpism and, as such, are unprepared to discuss the topic with any intelligence.

OH, and what Obama said? The dead on truth.
1. The OP trying to call Trump supporters religious zealots is NOT reality. Most are probably Christians, so the OP totally misses the mark trying to call them "Trump worshipers" instead of Church going Christians. Factual reality is that Trump won in 2016, and could easily have won in 2020. You will definitely get a reality check in 2022 and 2024.

2. Convince me that Trump's policies are not the best policies for the US. "America First" works for me. Russia First and China First apparently are your preferred policies. Here are an few more democrat policy preferences that I logically oppose, so tell me why you prefer these idiotic policies over Trump's policies.
Open Border immigration policies
Defund the police
Green Energy policies
Smaller Military posture
The Green New Deal
"Wokeness"
Reprogram the US education system: Critical Race Theory vs Traditional/Family Values
Russia First by allowing Putin to modernize his military using Nord Stream 2 cash
China First trade policies
Outsourcing jobs by taxing corporations so much they relocate
HR-1 grab for one-party rule
Make DC & PR new states taking over the US senate forever
Replacing the Electoral College with the popular vote
You've been told this thread is not about Trump.
Trump in this thread could be replaced be any "Cult of Personality" from the last hundred years.
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Idi Amin
Hitler

All of them became more important than any cause in the eyes of their worshippers and this adulation allowed them to commit unthinkable crimes in their followers names.

Now it is obvious you're to engrossed in your cult to provide anything other than a warning to others.
1. This thread is obviously about Trump. None of your others are Republicans.
2. You are simply wrong. Trump policies are important, Trump's personality is the problem.
3. Comparing Trump to Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Hitler just lost you the debate.
I win by Godwin's Law. Thanks for playing.

Trump is the exception to Goodwins law to prove the rule. Trump really is a fascist and a white supremacist and a danger to humanity.

Do you like 40,000 people up in concentration camps on the border and left them there for two fucking years.

They were rapes, beatings, and medical experiments performed on these poor people.

The court ordered him to stop separating children from their parents and he refused. When DHS staff refused to carry out his illegal orders, he replaced them with for-profit prison staff who were more inclined to be abusive for the right cash.

Last but not least, after he was thrown out of office in the election, he tried to stage a coup to take over the government permanently. Trump has earned the world’s scorn and derision.

You put blinkers on and ignored all of it. Or maybe you liked it and you’re just pretending you didn’t know. Neither scenario makes you look terribly bright or astute.
1. Trump got more black votes than any Republican. Your "racist" lies are easy to disprove.
2. If there were 40,000 people in holding pens they shouldn't have broken US law
3. Link please for medical experiments on migrants. Probably not beyond Fauci and NIH's Collins
4. The courts ordered the separation of adults and children, called the Flores Agreement, dumbass
5. The "insurrection" was a "protest". Real Insurrections use guns.
6. I'm voting Trump if he's the nominee against Kamala. Its the smarter choice for the US.
Again.
As your post proves.
You are wholly incapable of discussing the topic.
 
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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
This is uncharted territory for this country. The world hasn’t seen this type of adoration and devotion for one person in many decades. And it didn’t end very well back then.

I’d like to think that Jan 6 was rock bottom for these people. But watch and listen to them, and yeah, it’s like a jihad, a holy war.

And for him, of all people. Of all freakin’ people.
We like "America First" Trump.
You democrats like "Russia First" Xiden. It's that simple.
You are unable to address the topic. I will ask the mods to block you if it continues.
Your OP hypothesis is bullshit. The mods would sooner move this bullshit thread than block my honest commentary.
Trump is "America First". (That's why we vote for him)
Xiden (Putin's Bitch) is "Russia First".
Why do you believe Trump is "America First?"
Would it be his selling us out to Russia?
Would it be his selling us out to Ukraine?
Would it be his billing the US government millions for his personal protection?

Or would it be
America First yes it's so
Because Lord Trump told me so

Your words do prove the thesis.
1. Trump didn't sell the US out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who allowed Putin to modernize his military with Nord Stream 2 cash.

2. Trump didn't sell us out to Ukraine, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used his authority to remove a Ukranian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma for corruption, and was giving Hunter Biden about $133,000 a month for a no-show job.

3. Trump didn't sell us out to China, that was Putin's Bitch Joe Xiden, who used AF-2 to get Hunter Biden $1.5b in Chinese cash to "invest".

4. No clue WTF billing the US government for protection means. How about donating his salary?

5. Trump is America First. Trump allowed the KeystoneXL pipeline to proceed. Putin's Bitch stopped the KeystoneXL pipeline.

6. Your words prove democrats to be godless socialists, the way Karl Marx told you to be. Democrats prefer real opium.

Thanks for proving my thesis.
1. He did. Documented.
2. He did, on tape. Or did you forget the impeachment and all the evidence Trump refused to let us see?
3. Trump's been selling you out to China for years. Weakening our ability to produce and turning farmers into welfare queens.
4. You should read the actual news and lay off the NEWSMAX crap load.
5. No Keystone XL. Terribly polluting oil not even destined for the US. A spill would have been an ecological disaster ESPECIALLY in a Mississippi tributary. Try less propaganda and more truth.
6 . Can it be denied that religion has been used SINCE ITS INCEPTION to infer power and riches on the rich and powerful while keeping the poor ignorant and poor? DID YOU KNOW...Jews originally didn't recognize life after death. Originally Jews died, they died, that's it. BUUUUUT then the poor people looked at the rich religious types in their mansions with slaves all over the place and said "What's in it for me to worship this God guy? " So the preachers said "did we say dead? No, no what we meant to say was dead until the resurrection!" And from there we get to Trumpianity.

There it is folks. Like every religion when challenged they respond with lies and then accuse the others of heresy.

Undeniable.
1. Trump never sold us out to Russia, that was Putin's Bitch. Remember, the Mueller Investigation on Trump came up empty. The only thing that is "documented" is Xiden's support for Nord Stream 2 giving Putin cash to modernize his military.

2. On tape? That was Xiden extorting Ukraine to remove the Burisma prosecutor or lose $1b in US aid.

3. How was Trump selling us out to China? List the ways. That is a lie, Trump put tariffs on China dumbass. That was Hunter Biden who got $1.5b in cash from China.

4. You can't prove your "billing the US government for protection" lie, can you? Didn't think so.

5. Stopping KeystoneXL doesn't stop the oil flow. The "truth" is that it just means more pollution and risk transporting the oil on trucks and trains, duh.

6. Trump is a 25:1 underdog to win in 2024 according to Vegas oddsmakers. Your dietization is ill conceived. IMHO you have a routine case of TDS. Time heals all wounds.
1. Mueller proved it but was not allowed to prosecute.
2. Yeah, on tape. but, since you only get information from lies.com you only see crap.
3. Where's all that Trump crap made? Yeeeeaaaaahhhh. Sold out for money.
4. Billing the US govt for rooms used by the SS. It's in all the papers. Oh, that's right, you prefer ignorance over news.
5. You mean spilling 500 gallons instead of 5000 barrels? Yeah, duh, your best reaponse!
6. Nothing to do with 2024. Try to stay on topic sonny.
1. Special Prosecutor Mueller's list of indictments against Trump: ZERO
2. LOL!! Don't believe your lying eyes. Biden bragged ON TAPE about his extortion.
3. Zero examples of Trump's selling the US out to China. Thanks for playing.
4. Trump legitimately billed the Secret Service $40,000 for actual rooms used, while donating his $1,600,000 salary. Your point is?
5. You have no clue what the risk factors are or what the spill size would be. We do know that the KeystoneXL pipeline would be net zero emissions, instead of mega-truckloads and trainloads.
6. Trump has no chance in 2024, and you say that has nothing to do with 2024? How dumb are you? Trump is damaged goods in the GOP, but his America First policies are winners.
You are indeed the perfect proof of the premise of the OP.
You believe without question your articles of faith and no level of proof to the contrary will shake that faith.
Example?
despite Mueller's OWN words saying the reason Trump was not indicted was because of DoJ policy not because of any semblance of innocence.
Yet, you take those words as total exoneration.

Always great to have a cooperative sample.
1. There is a big difference between a "Theology":
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.

2. ...and "political philosophy" or more commonly "partisan politics".

3. The OP has no reference to or study of God, the creator of all things.

4. The OP is a juvenile attempt to paint Trump supporters as idol worshipers of sorts, instead of political supporters. who like Trump's policies.

5. Robert Mueller's Russia investigation by the numbers
The special counsel's office determined that it "did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia."

6. I posted factual credible proof that Trump committed no crime, that is why Mueller did not indict Trump. Hillary got off because VComey said she had no "intent" to commit a crime, LOL!! She's a fucking lawyer.

7. The democrats suggest an "obstruction" charge could be made, even though there is no underlying crime. Barr said NFW.
The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) released a partial memo from 2019 this week, per a federal judge’s orders, detailing how former Attorney General Bill Barr did not stop charges of obstruction of justice charges against former President Donald Trump because there was no basis for charges in the first place.

So your childish thread is total partisan garbage.
Ya know...
I'm going to take advice or information of "God" from a Trump worshipper on the day I officially put on a stupid MAGA hat. AIN'T NEVER GONNA HAPPY.

Look through his posts folks. Completely fact free and demanding we accept his beliefs on faith.

He is the perfect example and proof of the OP premise.

His arguments are based purely on belief and ignores the actual factual world around him in favor of his Trump Mythology.

Here, in case you actually ever want some truth in that tiny "conservative" mind.

1. Keep posting nonsense. I proved your OP and subsequent posts are childish.
Theology is a study of God. Your OP confuses studying God with supporting policies.
Big difference, but your simple mind doesn't understand. All you are is a partisan bullshitter.

2. I already said I'm not voting for Trump in the primaries, but would in the general because the democrat candidates are dog shit.
There's a contrast, a "theology" vs. "dog shit". I'm on the right side of that comparison.

3. The link you provided proves nothing. It tries to say that except for the OLC memo Trump would have been charged with obstruction. But Mueller can't say that. There is no there there. If there was, Trump would have been charged with obstruction after he left office. WHERE ARE THE OBSTRUCTION CHARGES?? Thanks for playing, now give your mom her PC back. From your link:
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1. My how Christocentric you are! "Believing" that the "theology" only has meaning when YOUR God is involved. Did you ever consider how your "God" became "God?"
Easy enough to explain.
"God" is the tool the ignorant use to explain their world.
Rain falls from sky = God is happy
Boulder falls from mountainside kills man = God mad at man
Not the water cycle, God.
God is given credit for filling their every need and withholds his bounty when they displease him.

Can you see how people scared and angry in a changing world could respond to a person like Trump who gives voice to their fears, no matter how irrational, and promises those threats will be driven away might not only support the politician but deify him as their savior? How IDEOLOGY becomes THEOLOGY?

3. BWAHAHAHA...I'll trust Mueller's OWN words over Barr's "recollection" of the meaning of those words in some meetings. BARR????? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Let's hear Barr's version when the worms start to turn and they move higher up the pole.
1. Theology is not "Christocentric". Stop babbling, it only shows your ignorance. Trump is the first pol to come up with his "America First" policies instead of being bought by the oligarchs. Your extrapolation is garbage, liking the America First policies does not "deify" Trump, it's a political battle cry of like minded patriots. Trump's populist message is popular, as opposed to Xiden's China First and Russia First policies.
2. You skipped 2, so you see I'm not a Trump fan, but I am a fan of his America First policies.
3. We got Trump, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see, any day now, the indictments are coming, you'll see, any day now, we got Trump, you'll see...
1. YOURS is.
YOU said that "theology" only involves "God"

Until you come to understand that your Christocentric view is not the only view your are wholly unqualified to discuss the topic.
And your obsession with all thing Trumpian is a clear sign you are EXACTLY the worshipper the OP references.
1. Its not that "I said" what "theology" is. Its the fucking definition of theology. Look it up! Google it. You are misusing it, like a juvenile partisan hack.

"Theology is the systematic study of the nature of the divine and, more broadly, of religious belief. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities and seminaries. It occupies itself with the unique content of analyzing the supernatural, but also deals with religious epistemology, asks and seeks to answer the question of revelation"​


No mention of "Christ" in the definition of theology is there? Thanks for playing. Next time look words up before misusing them.

2. I obviously have a higher IQ than you, and obviously have better reading comprehension, which means I'm qualified to discuss this asinine topic.

3. The OP in a political forum tries to call political party a "religion". Politics is politics, religion is religion. Stop being so dense.
1. You said "theology involves god." I pointed out that that view is Christocentric. There are thousands of known religions with an uncountable number of deities. Until you can accept that as a reality you're not qualified to participate.
2. As my coaches used to say "I don't give a fluck what you can't do and I don't give a sh*t about what you can do. I care about what you Do when you cross those lines," Your IQ is still in the locker room.
If the topic is beyond your ability to understand, blame the education you received and move on.
1. Your post is nonsense. I said theology is "the study of God". You said "that view is Christocentric", which is wrong, then you say "there are thousands of deities". If that makes any sense to you, i.e. Christocentric = thousands of deities? Stop throwing words around that you don't know the meaning of.

2. Trying to label Trump's supporters "religious zealots" is just ridiculous. Ever hear of the 1st Commandment? Of course not.
MY goodness you are one addled little Trumpinista!
Your view is Christocentric as in no god but your god.
The 1st commandment CLEARLY states that there are many gods. "Thou shall have no god before me." Obviously you knowledge of the Bible is as lacking as your understanding of reality.
As stated earlier, your worship of Trump clearly disqualifies you from discussing the topic rationally.
1. Prove my view is Christocentric. You can't. You're projecting nonsense, aka "fiction", aka "lies". Your trying to tie Trump support as a religion is an epic FAIL.
2. If Trump supporters are Christian then your OP is total bullshit, since they believe in only one God. QED.
3. Prove I worship Trump. You can't. That is just another stupid statement, that makes you and your stupid OP 0 - 2.
1. You proved it when you limited "theology" to your god.
2. Stupid beyond belief. Did you know...Each of the apostles was a Jew? All of Christendom was another religion before your god came along.
3. I don't need to do it. Your words do that for me.
1. Re-read the definition of theology I posted dumbass.
2. Christians believe in only one God. Your stupid OP is nonsense, and the real "God" is always capitalized.
3. You need to prove it or you lose, and your moronic OP is proven to be horseshit.
YOU READ IT FOR THE FIRST TIME!

It supports the OP definiton to a tee.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Another empty post. Prove your points or I win.
Your posts belong in the rubber room or flame zone, not debating politics.
When you post a relevant point I'll be sure to shoot it down.
But
You've never actually posted anything relevant
You've proven yourself wholly incapable intellectually of discussing this topic among so many others.
and
You've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the truth of the premise.

Imagining you've won? Isn't that what Trump's doing?
Your God created you in his image didn't he?
 

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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
Progressivism is its own kind of religion. Here are some examples of where the dogma conflicts with reality:

1) Progressives suggest women and men are the same in all meaningful measures, yet science shows something quite different.
2) Progressives suggest all races are equal, yet we see significant differences in things like average IQ. It doesn't mean that some races are superior to others, but they're not "equal" in terms of averages. Races tend to have different pros and cons when looking at the averages.
3) Progressives suggest that all cultures are equal while still contradicting themselves by promoting their own cultural values as best.
4) Progressives believe America is so racist yet claim America gives immigrants the best chance at success.
5) Progressives believe nationalism is wrong, unless you're talking about nationalism among any non-white group or country.
6) Progressives believe you shouldn't judge people by race or sex, but insist upon doing exactly that in hiring or voting.
7) Progressives believe voter ID policies aren't needed to prevent fraud, yet our State Department has spent years encouraging various countries to implement voter ID policies specifically to do just that.
8) Progressives believe strict gun control makes society safer while ignoring the various countries with strict policies that still have high gun crime.

So, the left very much has its own religion.
 

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What Utilitarian said.
I re-read all the posts from the beginning. I believe that the juvenile OP was soundly defeated, ideology does not become theology, that's apples and oranges. Even for the low IQ tribe.
 
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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.


If you do not believe gun rights and taxes are important issues, you are not a republican. You never were one.

As for the problems of the GOP, that is the 911 crowd, and if you don't have a clue about science either, you probably still believe the official version of 911, which is completely laughable.
Guns and taxes were always "important." But in the OP's lifetime as a goper, the gop's view on them has changed. Reagan and Goldwater were not opposed to regulations on guns and both were ok with tax hikes sometimes. It is the gop that changed.
Indeed.
The GOP proselytized recruiting the "new members" with promises that their particular silo of belief would see their "promised land."
After 30 years of "2 guns in every pot" still the GUN people only amount to 25-30% of the population.
Despite ongoing fear tactics the number doesn't change.
Despite record numbers of guns the numbers don't change.
It's the same people buying more and more guns
and, of course
Those are all law abiding guns that are never ever used by criminals.

At least that is what their friars tell them.
And they believe
because if they don't believe
They'll be excommunicated.

Every dynamic of a religion is present.
 
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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
Progressivism is its own kind of religion. Here are some examples of where the dogma conflicts with reality:

1) Progressives suggest women and men are the same in all meaningful measures, yet science shows something quite different.
2) Progressives suggest all races are equal, yet we see significant differences in things like average IQ. It doesn't mean that some races are superior to others, but they're not "equal" in terms of averages. Races tend to have different pros and cons when looking at the averages.
3) Progressives suggest that all cultures are equal while still contradicting themselves by promoting their own cultural values as best.
4) Progressives believe America is so racist yet claim America gives immigrants the best chance at success.
5) Progressives believe nationalism is wrong, unless you're talking about nationalism among any non-white group or country.
6) Progressives believe you shouldn't judge people by race or sex, but insist upon doing exactly that in hiring or voting.
7) Progressives believe voter ID policies aren't needed to prevent fraud, yet our State Department has spent years encouraging various countries to implement voter ID policies specifically to do just that.
8) Progressives believe strict gun control makes society safer while ignoring the various countries with strict policies that still have high gun crime.

So, the left very much has its own religion.
Wrong-It is the MEANINGLESS differences Progressives oppose.
Wrong - All races are equal. social differences dictate performance differences. Remember Manute Bol? Think every 7'6" human weighs in at 140 pounds? After 4 years in this country he was 230 pounds. Society. People with better educations make more money eat better and their kids tend to be bigger and perform better academically. SOCIAL.
Wrong - Al cultures are not equal. Those that believe what you believe for example.
AND? Jumping out of an airplane is the quickest way to the ground but I wouldn't recommend it. You're bragging about the best among bad choices. Die or experience US racism? not a great choice.
and
ao on and so forth.

Your imaginings, based on lies told you by your God and his preachers, are just that, imaginings.
Try reading and understanding rather than reading so you can spew back some of your religious bias.
 

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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
Progressivism is its own kind of religion. Here are some examples of where the dogma conflicts with reality:

1) Progressives suggest women and men are the same in all meaningful measures, yet science shows something quite different.
2) Progressives suggest all races are equal, yet we see significant differences in things like average IQ. It doesn't mean that some races are superior to others, but they're not "equal" in terms of averages. Races tend to have different pros and cons when looking at the averages.
3) Progressives suggest that all cultures are equal while still contradicting themselves by promoting their own cultural values as best.
4) Progressives believe America is so racist yet claim America gives immigrants the best chance at success.
5) Progressives believe nationalism is wrong, unless you're talking about nationalism among any non-white group or country.
6) Progressives believe you shouldn't judge people by race or sex, but insist upon doing exactly that in hiring or voting.
7) Progressives believe voter ID policies aren't needed to prevent fraud, yet our State Department has spent years encouraging various countries to implement voter ID policies specifically to do just that.
8) Progressives believe strict gun control makes society safer while ignoring the various countries with strict policies that still have high gun crime.

So, the left very much has its own religion.
Wrong-It is the MEANINGLESS differences Progressives oppose.
Wrong - All races are equal. social differences dictate performance differences. Remember Manute Bol? Think every 7'6" human weighs in at 140 pounds? After 4 years in this country he was 230 pounds. Society. People with better educations make more money eat better and their kids tend to be bigger and perform better academically. SOCIAL.
Wrong - Al cultures are not equal. Those that believe what you believe for example.
AND? Jumping out of an airplane is the quickest way to the ground but I wouldn't recommend it. You're bragging about the best among bad choices. Die or experience US racism? not a great choice.
and
ao on and so forth.

Your imaginings, based on lies told you by your God and his preachers, are just that, imaginings.
Try reading and understanding rather than reading so you can spew back some of your religious bias.
I'm an atheist actually. I just don't believe in progressivism anymore than I believe in any traditional religion.

I agree that culture has a lot to do with someone's fate though. Decisions do matter more than race. And because decisions are the main factor, it's why I don't buy into the white guilt narrative. Most of the problems blacks face are self-inflicted.
 
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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
Progressivism is its own kind of religion. Here are some examples of where the dogma conflicts with reality:

1) Progressives suggest women and men are the same in all meaningful measures, yet science shows something quite different.
2) Progressives suggest all races are equal, yet we see significant differences in things like average IQ. It doesn't mean that some races are superior to others, but they're not "equal" in terms of averages. Races tend to have different pros and cons when looking at the averages.
3) Progressives suggest that all cultures are equal while still contradicting themselves by promoting their own cultural values as best.
4) Progressives believe America is so racist yet claim America gives immigrants the best chance at success.
5) Progressives believe nationalism is wrong, unless you're talking about nationalism among any non-white group or country.
6) Progressives believe you shouldn't judge people by race or sex, but insist upon doing exactly that in hiring or voting.
7) Progressives believe voter ID policies aren't needed to prevent fraud, yet our State Department has spent years encouraging various countries to implement voter ID policies specifically to do just that.
8) Progressives believe strict gun control makes society safer while ignoring the various countries with strict policies that still have high gun crime.

So, the left very much has its own religion.
Really?
Aside from being wrong on what you THINK progressives believe...

If it is a "religion"
Who is their "god?"
See? that's where YOUR analogy falls flat.
 

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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
When I saw the thread title and that you were supposedly a 'republican', I thought you were going to talk about how the left's ideology has turned into their own theology that they once fought so hard against decades ago. This is something I have watched happen over the last 25 years, attacking the 'religious right' for forcing their morals on everyone either via social acceptance or via government laws. But what you see today is the left forcing their morals on everyone via social acceptance and government laws, but somehow now that they control the narrative, it's okay to force your 'morals' (and I use the term very loosely) on everyone else no matter how it's accomplished. So they've developed their own 'theology' and are cramming it down everyone's throat, doing the exact same thing they claimed to be against when the so called religious right was doing it decades ago. Yet here you are, claiming to be a republican (lol), and still trying to claim that it's the right that's doing it... hilarious!!! And then add your TDS to the mix, you gave me something to laugh at this morning!!


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro
 
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I'd like this to be a serious discussion so I you want to throw bombs, go elsewhere.

I'm a Republican. Been one since 1973. I've watched in fascination, despair, anger, and bemusement as the Party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, IKE and Reagan has devolved into the circus we see every day. Remember back in the 80s when it was "Republicans rely on logic, Democrats rely on feelings?" My how times have changed.

They've changed but what bought about such a radical change in the party? How is it Jon Huntsman, the former governor of Utah is a traitor because he agreed to serve as Ambassador to China? They guy was a great choice in a position that is supposed to be completely apolitical. What happened? Obama and the fervent belief that the GOP must hate all things Obama.

In the church that call this excommunication. Banning from the benefits of the religion.

Have you ever tried to convince a religious person that they are simply factually wrong in their beliefs? It is impossible because their beliefs are based on faith not on facts and no amount of evidence can change their opinion.

If you step back and observe the GOP in 2021 is it any different?
Trump lost the election by a bunch. But despite the overwhelming evidence Trump lost and ZERO evidence to the contrary the GOP takes it on faith that Trump won, everyone cheated, and he will rise again.

It's not just the election. The GOP truly has no governing policies to speak of. It has devolved into this collection of issue silos where the adherents to the beliefs in one silo share nothing in common with the other silos yet, as long as those silos support their craziness, they will support the other silos without question. These silos? They're like individual churches. Baptist, Catholic. Jew. Gun, Abortion, Tax. All of them holding their beliefs fiercely and totally on factless faith.

Like all religions, it has a leader, Trump, the GOP pope and like all religions it has its scammers practicing the religion as a grift. Again, trump but also McConnell, McCarthy, MTG and the rest. They're just playing the rubes for the cash.

You can try to argue with my interpretation of the facts but the fact do fit the interpretation.

But what happens next.

If we can't talk these people down there will be, in effect, a "religious war." What happens in 2024 when they lose the next presidential election? When their attempts at stealing and rigging the election fail? You've read their words here. Their talk about violence.

This topic is deserving of several hundred pages but I'm not that kind of guy.
When I saw the thread title and that you were supposedly a 'republican', I thought you were going to talk about how the left's ideology has turned into their own theology that they once fought so hard against decades ago. This is something I have watched happen over the last 25 years, attacking the 'religious right' for forcing their morals on everyone either via social acceptance or via government laws. But what you see today is the left forcing their morals on everyone via social acceptance and government laws, but somehow now that they control the narrative, it's okay to force your 'morals' (and I use the term very loosely) on everyone else no matter how it's accomplished. So they've developed their own 'theology' and are cramming it down everyone's throat, doing the exact same thing they claimed to be against when the so called religious right was doing it decades ago. Yet here you are, claiming to be a republican (lol), and still trying to claim that it's the right that's doing it... hilarious!!! And then add your TDS to the mix, you gave me something to laugh at this morning!!


“…will America be made better by curbing religion in the name of secularism, or vice versa?” Ben Shapiro
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